Sexually explicit book pulled from Buena classes

SIERRA VISTA — A book listed as a Common Core curriculum exemplar text for 11th-grade students caused outrage this week when it was assigned by a Buena High School English teacher for two classes and students came across sexually explicit language, resulting in the book being pulled by administrators.

Curriculum Director Terri Romo told the school board at Tuesday night’s meeting that she contacted the Arizona Department of Education to find out how “Dreaming in Cuban,” by Cristina Garcia, got on the list of Common Core recommendations. She was told the exemplar texts are intended to show the correct reading level and are not recommendations for purchase.

There is also an Accelerated Reader test for the book, an assessment widely used in K-12 schools. It is suggested for 9-12th grade under the Accelerated Reader book guide. “Dreaming in Cuban” was a finalist for the National Book Award.

Debbie Stoner told the Herald/Review that she removed her son from the English class after the students were asked to read the sexually explicit material out loud in class.

Speaking at the board meeting, Stoner said “It was read in class, so I’m going to read it here.”

Superintendent Kriss Hagerl asked to close the door to the board room first.

Part of the passage read by Stoner states, “Hugo bit Felicia’s breasts and left purplish bands of bruises on her upper thighs. He knelt before her in the tub and massaged black Spanish soap between her legs. He entered her repeatedly from behind.”

“I hope every single one of you are so embarrassed by hearing that,” Stoner said. Her 16-year-old son and his 10th-grade classmates had to hear it. Stoner said the teacher had read the book before assigning it and didn’t think it was inappropriate.

Stoner had already emailed Cochise County School Superintendent Trudy Berry and said she intends to contact State Superintendent of Public Instruction John Huppenthal. She recommended the district appoint a committee of parents to review books before they are introduced in the classroom.

Barbara Hansen, a Sierra Vista resident and former elementary school teacher, also addressed the board and said “It just seems like it’s child pornography.”

She’s also concerned about “The Bluest Eye,” by Toni Morrison, which is listed as an exemplar text under Common Core.

“We’re bludgeoning their souls with this kind of material. It’s debauchery and it’s just not worthy of our students,” Morrison said.

Hagerl, in her closing comments, said she normally doesn’t comment on Call to the Public at the close of a meeting but wanted to address this because it’s a serious issue.

Last spring the district curriculum department reviewed the Common Core exemplar texts for high school and selected books to use. None were noted to have any sexually explicit language and “Dreaming in Cuban” had nothing but positive reviews.

Had they been aware, parents would have been given notice about the book in advance and had an alternative option if they did not want their students to read the book, Hagerl said. The teachers may have just opted to choose a different book altogether.

“We have to be careful that we don’t start banning books,” Hagerl said. At the same time, it’s vital to give the parents the right to say yes or no in cases where violent or sexually explicit language is concerned.

“We’ve learned a lesson in this and we’ll make sure to put those steps in place to make sure it doesn’t happen again,” Hagerl said.

rickraton on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 6:19am

You just can’t win. If a child stayed home sick yesterday, they might have
viewed the “bald eagle” episode at 2pm on the Bethany Frankel Show. Our
culture is vulgar, its music and films and television. It’s the vulgar age,
get over it.

Debbie Stoner on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 6:58am

This is a 10th grade literature book that was used in my son’s class at
Buena High School in Sierra Vista, Arizona. The whole class read this book
out loud during class. Everyone in the 10th grade class was issued a copy of
this book. This book was recommended by Common Core Curriculum. Go to the
link below for more on this story.

AZShooter on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 7:31am

What is with you people? If you think for one minute those kids were
embarrassed by hearing or reading that passage, you’re sorely mistaken. Have
you watched TV lately? Let your kids go to the movies? Let your kids use the
internet? That passage is mild compared to what these kids are exposed to
every day. I’m pretty sure the only ones who are embarrassed are the prudish
parents and the school board members. It’s like we’re living in the middle
ages again.

rickraton on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 7:41am

I hope you don’t have a television or the internet at home. No video games

snake on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 7:57am

Maybe this administration should spend less time conducting
investigations/witch hunts on teachers they have a personality conflict with
and spend more time on what is being taught in the classroom. I would be
livid if my kid was in this class. Hagrl and Farmer should resign. I don’t
care if the book is on some list. It should never have made it in our

Debbie Stoner on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 8:50am

Pod cast about Common Core Curriculum:
More on Common Core Curriculum: 9.11.13 — “10th Grade Class Reads Erotic
Novel Recommended by Common Core Proponents” – by Donna Garner —

maestra22 on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 10:41am

Our most beloved, time honored stories, such as Romeo and Juliet, contain
passages that would cause some to blush! (I can’t think of anyone who would
ban Rome and Juliet) One or two passages from any story, out of context,
proves little. For example, There’s very little in Romeo and Juliet that
can’t be interpreted as some kind of dirty joke. Even the most serious
moments in the play have sexual puns lurking under the surface. Watch out for
references to death. In Elizabethan slang, “to die” means to have an orgasm.
The opening pages of the play are basically one long dirty joke. Two Capulets
are talking about “thrusting” Montague women to the wall. Gregory boasts
about his “naked weapon” and describes how he will use his “sword” to “cut
off” the “maid’s heads” or “maidenheads” (their virginity). There are many
more examples, but , my point is, where does this stop. Just because one
passage is explicit, does not mean there is not value in the reading.

AZterritory on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 10:53am

Guarantees that they’ll all find it and read it now. Well done!

crb on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 11:50am

You just cannot find anything better than the liberal agenda ruining our
Nation. Conservatism, Christianity, morality, etc. have become some sort of
evil ideal, something to be feared. The devil must be having a field day
watching our demise.

Briseno04 on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 12:00pm

Oh for crying out loud!! My 16 yr old daughter had to read this book for
class & while some of the subject matter wasn’t exactly suitable for dinner
table conversation, she says that it was actually a really good book. The
kids reading this book are exposed to much worse by watching the average
prime time sitcom. Did the people that made the decision to pull the book
from the reading list actually sit down & read it before passing judgement,
probably not.

Myron Jaworsky on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 2:33pm

REF: rickraton, “You just can’t win…..” Today I stayed tuned to KVOA
following the 1:00 pm soap opera (which is really pretty good) to see the
Bethenny Frankel show. rickraton is completely right, not only about Frankel,
but also about what American culture in general has degenerated into. The
only thing I can add is that Frankel looks to me as though she’s high on some
kind of drug. Nevertheless I tend to agree with Debbie Stoner that works like
“Dreaming in Cuban” do not belong in high school. I say ‘tend to’ because I
have not read the novel—and do not plan to. Although it may have redeeming
features, there are so many other works of distinction that can be used in
place of something that seems it may have been selected for its political
correctness. If intended to appeal to a ‘Hispanic’ audience, nothing could be
better than Don Quixote, which is a masterpiece in both Spanish and world

Johal52 on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 3:17pm

I skip over passages in books that are too violent or explicit. I was advised
to do that by high school teachers in the 1960s as literature changed from
being oblique to in your face. What concerns me in reading this article is
that the teacher had students read that particular passage out loud. Why?
Surely that wasn’t the best example of modern literature in the book to use?
If it was, then that is a sad commentary on where English lit has gone.

Johal52 on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 4:32pm

Maestra22: I agree that the book may have value in its totality. I read Romeo
and Juliet in my Catholic high school in 1964—and I can tell you that I did
NOT know that those passages had sexual connotations at the time nor did the
teachers point it out. Nor did we read those passages aloud. We read passages
such as “Oh Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou Romeo … deny thy father….”
aloud. Because they were beautiful and poetic. What saddens me about this
incident, as I said below, is why did the teacher pick that particular
passage to have 10th graders read aloud—great literature? I find it neither
beautiful nor poetic. Was this a class on human sexuality or was it a class
on English literature? Do we now educate our children on sexuality in English
classes? And frankly my dear I don’t care what the rest of society is doing.
I love the English language, all that is good and beautiful in it. Those
sentences are mediocre. But then mediocrity and banality seems to be the norm
now. Sad.

mr.t on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 5:08pm

It’s unclear from the article if this actual passage was read aloud. Mr
Curtis does attribute a condemnation of “The Bluest Eye” to the book’s own
author, so all bets are off for accuracy in this report.Teachers walk an
increasingly fine line. We must get students to read and we are constantly
chided or penalized for failing to engage them. I doubt that any of those
calling for noble classics have any idea of what a 2013 classroom holds. Many
parents who are outraged by this admittedly racy but publicly printable scene
complacently provide their kids with actual porn and violence portals for the
other 138 hours of the week. When the angels come in on Monday, having read
not a word that wasn’t tweeted in days, “Great Expectations” is nothing but a
chore. We have to work with what you give us and most students are so
desensitized that they shut down at the first hint of pollyannish sanitizing.
Modern literature and adult themes are the only way to spark their interests.

mr.t on Thu, 09/12/2013 - 6:01pm

I also have got to note that MS Stoner seems like a bit of a wingnut. I
followed her link, then followed a link on that link to another article by
her, hysterically warning all of us of Obama’s secret plans to convert the
nation into a communist dictatorship utilizing the Common Core curriculum. It
should be noted that the primary players behind the Common Core are
for-profit corporate interests like Microsoft, Pearson and K12, who stand to
make billions on this while dealing another decisive blow to organized labor.
Obama may be a part of a conspiracy but, if he is, it is being orchestrated
by capitalist corporate giants, not communist subversives.

huachucadream on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 3:21am

Way to go Debbie! Doing the right thing isn’t always easy but it’s always
right! We need more parents like you! huachucadream aka Marianne Valladares

Sumtingwong on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 7:55am

Some think that a book that is sexually explicit, and has words describing
erotic encounters, is fine for reading in high school, by teenages who’s
hormones are raging. But the moderator doesn’t see it fit for printing a
paragraph from the book, in the comment section?

Outtahere on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 8:30am

That’s the problem now, vulgarity is all around us. “B*tch, *sshole,” full
male nudity, acts of oral sex, etc, are now plastered all over movies, radio
and regular tv shows. What happened to tact and decency? Some of you actually
think its ok that books like this are acceptable just because our kids are
already exposed? No wonder why our kids today have no respect or filter. If
they want to talk about sex, they can do it in the halls or lunch room, but
NOT in an english class, for goodness sake. Let’s start teaching kids how to
be professional, there’s a place to talk and act a fool and other times where
self control is needed. The first place to teach professionalism should be at
school. Teachers as future employers, peers as future coworkers. Sheesh.

Piper on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 8:44am

Mr. T, Desensitized then? And who did that? Sex ed in elementary school?
Touchy-feely is and always has been a problem with educators. They have
forgotten that it’s really very simple, set practical standards and insist
they are met. Over decades those standards were diluted, and always there
were excuses. The world is changing, oh my. Mr. T, I am not laying this at
your feet because I am pretty sure these problems began long before you were
involved. You got handed a sorry and broke situation. But you need to come to
grips with what is really wrong and not be accepting of the situation. Don’t
make excuses sir, fix the problem.

Piper on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 8:56am

Mr. T, I would like to offer something to soften the blow so to speak. You
might be surprised to hear that some of the same problems happen in the
Military. Military leaders have steadily over several decades removed the
“tests” that were in place to ensure that teams, and Units as a whole, were
properly trained for combat. These leaders made sure that only the Individual
himself really suffered if he didn’t meet set standards while divorcing
themselves from responsibility. Exercises and Tests designed to measure Team
and Unit preparedness were simply eliminated because they didn’t want
failures in these areas to hinder their careers. They thought it unfair that
they should be held responsible for their subordinate’s failures. I can only
imagine that in this is in fact the same thing that has happened to education
in our Country.

Think About It on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 10:17am

To Snake, it will take more than a couple of months for the
current(competent) administration to clean up the messes left by the departed
administrators. There is more positive going on at Buena in the past three
months than occurred during the past two years.

Piper on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 11:04am

I would have to admit that pulling this book is a sign that they are moving
in the right direction.

Proud US Citizen on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 12:29pm

I only have one question….this story was covered by abc15….and in the
story they quote Supt. Hagerl….what happened to that overpaid “Public
Information Officer” speaking to the media?….Was she to busy taking care of
the district’s Facebook page?….Or perhaps writing another article for that
free magazine that I receive in my mail every month?….What’s the purpose of
having a (at the taxpayer expense of FORTY-THREE THOUSAND dollars per year
plus benefits) a Public Information Officer if she isn’t doing her job?

mr.t on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 2:16pm

Piper, I think you have it backwards and, as such, really exemplify the
problem. Do you really imagine that a few hours on bodily functions and
pregnancy prevention have eroded the moral fiber of our kids? At best, the
school has 30 hours a week to work with a student. During the other 138,
those kids are exposed a range of stimuli that would have blown our minds
when we were that age. Many parents don’t care and actively facilitate
their distraction by equipping them with $500 smartphones to view porn at any
time of the day. But you, like so many others, abdicate responsibility and
insist it’s up to the schools to straighten them out. Now, teachers’
evaluations are being tied to the results of student polling. So, you could
set and insist upon certain rigorous standards, and then be fired for it.
These decisions are made by politicians and parents, not teachers. It’s the
inverse of your military problem; the tests are intensified to divert blame
to the subordinate.

Incadove93 on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 3:04pm

Common Core is a horrible curriculum. If Arizonans are wise, they will weed
it out. Many other states are doing just that. I’m just glad I no longer have
children in the public school system.F9

goodmorning on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 4:00pm

What’s all the fuss about. See a group of kids anywhere and you hear words
come out of there mouth that would make a Sailor blush. Come on parents don’t
tell me you haven’t heard the words that come out of kids mouths today and
your worried about a book?

One opinion on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 6:29pm

I don’t take any type of censorship lightly. The voice of 1 person should not
remove the rights of all other parents. Yes the school board should have
notified parents and given the the choice to offer their child an alternate
read. I have raised my children with a solid moral base and the ability to
discern what is inappropriate and take it at face value. I do not need
someone who either lacks confidence in their own child’s decision making or
their own parenting ability to tell me how my child should be parented. Now
the story has made National news and even more people will be drawn to read
this book. Now instead of reading this book in the controlled environment of
a classroom, where the teacher can direct the discussion towards the
historically, cultural, and political facets of this book…the kids at Buena
have no choice but sneak to read it now. Now the book has become “porn” and
not because of the writing but because it is now the forbidden fruit.

sensei on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 9:37pm

I attended the board meeting and was disappointed at what happened, but I
fail to see how this incident is absolute proof that Farmer and Hagerl should
be fired. I don’t understand how a teacher would have students read a passage
like that mentioned in the book. Teachers have to have personal filters that
tell them they need to know what they are telling their students to read
before assigning it. I have never heard the teacher’s side of the story. I
only read what Mrs. Stoner claims. Joe Farmer was not the principal and Kriss
Hagerl was not the superintendent when the book was purchased by the
district. The curriculum dept is responsible for purchasing books. Also,
Kriss Hagerl immediately pulled the book. As a result of replacing AIMS with
Common Core the district must buy Common Core and AZ Dept of Education
approved and recommended reading materials. The book was highly recommended
by both groups. If you must fire someone, why not Huppenthal?

Ellie Kesselman on Fri, 09/13/2013 - 11:45pm

This isn’t the first incident, regarding inappropriate reading material required by Common Core standards. It happened in another state recently, one that is not associated with conservative views or politics, the state of Minnesota or perhaps Wisconsin. The book was different but the problem was the same. I read about it via NPR on-line.

This is what I am trying to emphasize: Common Core is not bad because Democrats approve of it (though it is endorsed by our Secretary of Education, Mr. Arne Duncan), nor because Republicans approve of it (some do, some don’t). Common Core is bad because it usurps decision-making by those who know best, namely, credentialed and experienced school teachers and educators in each community.

The comments that find fault with the teacher’s judgement need to realize that teachers are no longer allowed to make decisions regarding curriculum. Neither teachers, nor schools have such authority. Common Core is a strict stan

Ellie Kesselman on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 12:13am

Might you have any children, AZ Shooter? If so, you would know that this is NOT “like we’re living in the middle ages again”. 

Education about reproduction, pregnancy and human sexual relations is important. It is (or was) taught in health, home economics and biology classes. That’s the right approach!

It does not matter what children- that’s what they are, minors under the age of 18, see on television or the Internet. TV and the Internet are different than school. Standards of acceptable behavior are taught in school. School should not include gratuitous discussion of sexuality, not as a requirement, to be read aloud in class by a child.

AZShooter on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 7:27am

Right Ellie. Schools can’t even teach kids the very basics of what the’re
supposed to learn, let alone teach standards of behavior. We live in a
society of self-righteous, over-officious, prudish jerks who live in
perpetual fantasy world. Schools are filled with them. Boo hoo, we have to
protect the kids. Heck, most of these kids, if not all of them, have seen and
done more than any passage in a book by the time they’re in middle school.
Someone stated in an earlier post that many of the most famous literary works
in our world contain what you call, gratuitous sex. Problem is, history is
also full of events and people like you who think censorship and book burning
is acceptable. So, if you don’t like my term, “Middle Ages” then I suggest
you pick “current times” because it’s all the same when it comes to this

hmmmm on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 1:02pm

@ Ellie and the other clueless posters. Having an Master’s degree in
secondary education and having been an educator for many years it is obvious
to me that your layman’s opinion of the common core is baseless and without
merit. The common core standards were created to move out of the memorize and
regurgitate teaching that has been going on in this country for yours;
quantity of education was key not quality. The problem with how we have been
teaching in this country prior to common core is two fold, first the students
do not have any true depth of knowledge under the prior system case in point
our AIMS testing is for 10th grade level not 12th. Second every state had
shockingly different standards in every content area so when students had to
move from one state to another they were sometimes a grade level below in
baseline knowledge. The common core provides an incredibly rigorous set of
standards that quite frankly are much harder to meet and should be!!!!!!!!!!!

mr.t on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 5:46pm

Dear Hmmmm, I have a small problem with your phrase, “The problem with how we
have been teaching in this country prior to common core,” because it
perpetuates this language of dysfunction without the support of data. I
believe you are absolutely right that Common Core addresses problems in
education precipitated by Mo Child Left Behind. NCLB’s reliance upon content
standards made public schools more like factories than ever. However, Common
Core only minimally improves a horrible situation, making it merely bad. It
is one small step back toward intelligent teaching, but it remains little
more than a corporate scam and an attack upon teachers, who serve now as the
stalking horse for a right wing final solution for organized labor.

Sumtingwong on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 6:01pm

Re: Hmmmmm, So you have a masters, makes you smarter and better than a
“laynman”. Some states are opting out of common core, and the ones that stay
in it are doing it because of the federal funding attached to it.

hmmmm on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 8:03pm

I have a masters in secondary education and when it comes to education I
would venture to say that someone actually teaching, in the trenches so to
speak. Has a much better grasp and expertise on the common core than someone
who doesn’t have experience teaching or a degree in it. Case in point: much
clearer understanding than Ms. Tea Party Stoner pushing her political agenda
and her tea party followers.

Myron Jaworsky on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 8:13pm

REF: mr.t.”Dear Hmmmmm, I have….” You are right on with calling ‘common
core’ as being “little more than a corporate scam and an attack upon
teachers.” The bulk of the public discussion on education in this country is
just claptrap. At Cochise College I had to deal with a bunch of bull on
“assessment”, both related to subjects I taught as well as general education
outcomes. I proposed that, in addition to testing our students’ outcomes, we
also make the faculty and administrators take the same test on general
education we were imposing on our students. To show good faith, I took the
so-called gen ed assessment test with my students. Well, the proposal got
buried, as did the results of my own test. Here’s my point: If we ‘common
core’ the students, we should also ‘common core’ the faculty and academic
administrators who are supposed to be responsible for the ‘new’
curriculum—which is probably as bogus as anything else that comes out of the
schools of education.

hmmmm on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 8:14pm

Arizona ranks 44th in the country out of 50 states; yeah what we have been
doing is really working well. Bravo Arizona. And 17th in the top 50 countries
in the world. Obviously we are doing something wrong! And it’s funny how you
cut off the part of that comment that explained the comment ; we are coming
out of a time when superficial surface level memorization and regurgitation
was the primary force in education. You obviously don’t understand the depth
of knowledge and rigor required with common core. All you can see is
political and corporate connections. It isn’t about that, and thinking that
it is … well that’s kind of paranoid don’t you think? Like the whole
conspiracy way of thinking.

Myron Jaworsky on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 8:32pm

REF: hmmmmm, “@Ellie and the other….” In my day I have taken any number of
graduate-level education courses—probably enough to have earned a master’s
degree if I had wanted one. I didn’t want one. Most of the education courses
I had were intellectually worthless. The inculcation of “critical thinking”?
You must be kidding. Most of it was pure regurgitation of political
correctness and conventional thinking. As near as I could see it, the major
purpose of the graduate degrees in education was to justify upward mobility
on the professional salary scale, or enable a teacher to leave the classroom
to become an administrator because of training in something called
(laughably) educational leadership. As I recall, most of the so-called
educational professionals also waxed enthusiastic over No Child Left Behind.
Common core is more of the same process whose ultimate goal is to privatize
public education.

Myron Jaworsky on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 9:37pm

REF: hmmmmm, “I have a master’s in….” Well, seeing that you say you have a
master’s in secondary education, you might benefit from a mini-lesson on
critical thinking that your formal education probably didn’t cover. Ms.
Stoner’s political agenda is not really relevant to the point she was making
about the propriety of reading aloud salacious passages from “Dreaming Cuban”
in 10th grade. One can agree with her on that point while rejecting any ‘tea
party’ related political agenda—which she did not present. Students in K-12
are still children legally. At Buena, they are in a public institution, where
they come from, and return home to, a great variety of family situations.
That they may know about sex is probably true. But then, I know how to pick
my nose, but refrained from doing that in class—or at job interviews, or at
dinner, or at many other occasions. What was so great about “Dreaming Cuban”?
Common core political agenda?

Myron Jaworsky on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 9:52pm

REF: hmmmmm, “Arizona ranks 44th….” And Common Core is going to turn that
around? Your statement,” we are coming out of a time when superficial surface
level memorization and regurgitation was the primary force in education. You
obviously don’t understand the depth of knowledge and rigor required with
common core.” In other words,it’s another way to fill empty bottles, but now
we’ll just rename memorization and regurgitation as depth of knowledge and
rigor while funneling more money to people like Bill Gates. The problem in
education in the US is a result of the disintegration of families and the
corrupting effects of all-pervading vicious culture. By the way, your
comments about ‘paranoia’ are about what one would expect from an M.Ed.:
Another irrelevancy.

hmmmm on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 1:35am

Wow more paranoia …. nobody is trying to privatize public education.
Charter schools handle the students that public schools don’t want; the kids
that lower public schools test scores. Obama isn’t connected to the Muslim
Brotherhood and some kind of conspiracy to destroy our youth as Mrs. Stone’s
blogger friends would have you believe. And the bottom line is Mrs. Stone
used this article and this forum as a political platform. That’s pretty
telling if you ask me; about why this whole thing got so blown out of
proportion. This isn’t about the book, its about her political affiliation
and pushing their anti common core agenda on an entire school district. And
that’s just sick… it really is.

hmmmm on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 10:00am

@ Myron You seem to have not bothered to research this at all and you don’t
seem to understand that there is a bigger picture here; that isn’t some kind
of paranoid baseless fantasy on my part. It might be wise for you to go to
the tea party digest website and view their thank you post to Mrs. Stone for
actively assisting with eliminating the common core. Her party is thanking
her for the services towards achieving that goal. And it is a Tea Party
movement it started last March. Have a great day thanks for the enlightening

hmmmm on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 10:20am

As to your comments regarding my M.Ed. well at least I actually had the
tenacity and perseverance to complete that, unlike you. And that isn’t my
only advanced degree it’s just the one that was applicable to this
conversation. It’s a good thing you have that CPA because you wouldn’t be
teaching at the college level without it.

Sumtingwong on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 12:32pm

Myron, You don’t have a snowballs chance it H. trying to debate hmmmm, as
he/she has master degree’s, and love to flaunt them. There is a word for
those kind of people, but being I don’t have a masters, I can’t think of one
that the Herald would print. They did pick a good screen name though, when we
read their rants, we shake our heads, and say, “hummm?”

Myron Jaworsky on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 2:36pm

REF: Sumtingwong, “Myron, you don’t have….” Yes, STW, you’re right. But
during my years in education, I grew tired of the bull in that field, which
one of my colleagues described as a cluster. Fact is that, as a group, people
in education programs have the lowest IQs (and other mental measurements) of
any group in the universities. Of course, not everyone in the field is a
dolt, and not every course is a waste of time. But that’s the general rule,
and hmmmmm fits right in, as the posts demonstrate.

Myron Jaworsky on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 2:57pm

REF: hmmmmm. “As to your comments…” Alas, you’re partly right about my not
having the “tenacity and perseverance to complete” the degree. But then I did
not need or want a third master’s degree to teach at Cochise, from which I
retired in 2009. Upward movement on the salary scale was reward enough for
me. The academic credits for the education courses I took served their
purpose; the actual degree would have had no payback, either financial or
psychological. In fact, an M.Ed. would have been infra dignitatem.

Ival on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 6:08pm

Don’t be so fast in just blaming Arizona. The book is on the National Core
Curriculum list. There are reasons why our culture has some people with
serious mental and emotional challenges and one of them is the reading of
inappropriate books for the age of the student. So the educational system
must assume some of the responsibility for inappropriate behavior in our

Myron Jaworsky on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 7:07pm

REF: hmmmmm, @Myron You seem to have not….” You keep bringing up the Tea
Party. So what? Although I think the Tea Party is wrongheaded in many ways,
it is possible for left-center people like me to see merit in some of their
positions. A recent example is Syria, where an adventitious, informal
coalition (or coalescence) between two normally oppositional fractions helped
cut short a rush to war. Tea Party is right when they claim that they are
taxed enough already. But that’s because most of us don’t get enough of a
return for the money we pay out—and fractions of the society (the top 1%,
multinational corporations like General Electric, mega banks, equity funds,
etc.) pay nothing or next to nothing in taxes, but through their influence
control the government. If Ms. Stoner were to agitate for, say, starting the
school day with Bible-reading and a recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, as was
the practice when I was in K-12, then you’d have a point and I’d be with you,
not her.

hmmmm on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 7:22pm

@Myron I’m sorry to hear a degree in Education was beneath your dignity; and
disgusted to see the way you slam pretty much everyone in that field. But
it’s par for the course for someone as seemingly entitled as you to throw in
demeaning red herrings when a liberal begins to comment. @ no one in
particular The bottom line in all of this is Arizona law on obscenity. The
definition of obscenity is based on the Miller Test from the 1973 Supreme
Court ruling. I don’t believe this novel will never be deemed obscene under
that 3 prong test. The committee should base their decision to pull it or not
on that test. Community opinion as a whole would be considered not just the
opinion of a few. And the final test of whether or not there is any literary
or political value to the novel will ultimately determine the way this all
plays out.

Myron Jaworsky on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 8:50pm

REF: Ival, “Don’t be so fast….” You’re right: it’s not just Arizona,
although the undermining of education in this state, as well as in the
nation, is progressing rapidly. A bigger problem is US culture, which
produces more sociopaths than just about any other country, probably because
of an apparent paradox: sociopathy here is as much a latent cultural value as
it is openly deplored. More people should read Martha Stout’s book, “The
Sociopath Next Door.” It explains a lot.

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