Border Patrol agents had radio contact before shooting





BISBEE — Two U.S. Border Patrol agents communicated by radio with agent Nicholas Ivie prior to the Oct. 2 shooting that resulted in his death in a remote area of southern Cochise County, based on information released by the Sheriff’s Office on Friday.
 
Several reports totaling 39 pages were released to the media after a public records request. Some information in the documents has been redacted, including the names of the surviving agents and most ballistics evidence.
 
Ivie, 30, was fatally shot on Oct.



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Sumtingwong on Fri, 11/02/2012 - 7:33pm

What a bunch of crap. Agent, “She drew her weapon and took cover. Agent
[redacted] did not recall if she fired her weapon”. Memory loss, probably on
advice of her lawyer.

Myron Jaworsky on Fri, 11/02/2012 - 9:21pm

JEven as we speak, Janet Napolitano may very well be preparing to give this
female agent a medal for valor. If McSally remains true to form, she will
call any criticism of this agent, sexist.

AZShooter on Sat, 11/03/2012 - 8:23am
Title: Yup

I have to say, Agent “Redacted” is not a very impressive witness. She doesn’t
remember if she fired her weapon, she didn’t know if the voices she heard
were English or Spanish, etc. It’s almost like she wasn’t even there. So much
for training, observation, and target identification.

Knight Rider on Sat, 11/03/2012 - 11:37am

She can’t remember if she fired, but an examination of her gun as well as
accounting for her ammunition should clear that up.

daman on Sat, 11/03/2012 - 2:45pm

Before any of you begin to scrutinize the “redacted agent” or any other agent
for that matter make sure that you know what you are speaking of! Is it
possible that she does not remember due to PTSD (post tramatic stress
disorder) None of you critics know the dangers that Border Patrol Agents put
themselves in each and every night while many of you sleep safely in your
homes in your border communities. Spare her and the victims your unwanted
ridicule! Thank you Border Patrol!!!!

Knight Rider on Sat, 11/03/2012 - 4:16pm

Being a member of BP or any other law enforcement agency doesn’t give you a
free pass from public scrutiny.

Sumtingwong on Sat, 11/03/2012 - 7:14pm

She remembers everything except shooting Ivie. Put another clip in, but
doesn’t remember firing? she

Myron Jaworsky on Sat, 11/03/2012 - 9:37pm

Why bring up PTSD? It is not relevant to what Agent Redacted did or did not
do, presumably in a pre-PTSD state of mind. This whole story reeks of
manipulation. After weeks of study, the report presented is the best they can
do? I am not blaming Agent Redacted. Stuff happens. I am, however, disturbed
by what appears to be the apparent news management under a regime of
political correctness that makes it impossible to report that females have
done anything wrong. (Look at TV commercials.) Remember Jessica Lynch? When
the story first came out, she was made out to be a hero, fighting off Iraqis
like the Disney version of Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie at the Alamo. When she
got away from her handlers, she actually performed the truly heroic act: She
told the truth at great personal cost to herself. Why not give Agent Redacted
a chance to act like Jessica Lynch?

Az520 on Mon, 11/05/2012 - 6:09am

Why didn’t a Federal Agent Yell Stop Or We Will Shoot? So these days Cops or
Border Patrol can just start shooting without prior notice. Seems to me some
thing is very wrong when they just open fire with out any warning. Although
they are protecting Our borders, They are still on American soil, Where we
take our family Camping Hunting or Nature walks, Now Americans aren’t safe
when the United States just open fire with out even seeing who or what they
are shooting. Sure you guys put your life on the line everyday, But you still
need to announce yourself, And for the report. Why is it when you make a
arrest you dont forget anything. In fact you even add stuff to your benifit.
Come on American Public isn’t stupid. Sooner or later the Truth will come
 out.

Az520 on Mon, 11/05/2012 - 6:16am

Let’s just start shooting Before we see what we are shooting at. Next time it
will be a child who was out Camping with there family. Or a hunter who was
just trying to set up for that Big Buck.. Reports are always perfect when
it’s against law breakers. But when its a agent no one can remember nothing.

FreeWill on Thu, 11/08/2012 - 7:22am

Even recreational hunters are required to identify the proposed target before
opening fire! There are hefty fines if you hit out-of-season animals as well,
where is the liability here? Do we need to examine training procedures at the
border patrol stations? The problem could be systemic, judging by the lack of
clear methodologies used by all officers involved. I will be waiting for the
next mishap before I jump to conclusions, hopefully there are none and these
officers just simply made very poor choices.

Sumtingwong on Thu, 11/08/2012 - 7:50am

Not all offficers, one shot first.

Langer on Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:08pm

Have you ever watched people who look like safe shooters and you expect to be
 well-trained?

Watch the finger that shouldn’t be near the trigger until he/she is ready to
fire and you might see it on the trigger from, or even before the moment that
person raises the firearm. That presents a clear potential for an accidental
 discharge.

Add an AD, adrenalin, poor visibility and the possibility of innocent people
being shot is great.

I’m certainly not saying this was the result of an AD, just reminding you
it’s a possibility.

FreeWill on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 10:33am
Title: hmm

thank you for reminding me. Still, I wonder what is the protocol for
identifying a target after taking fire(1 shot). Just shoot in that general
 direction?

FreeWill on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 10:36am

Would present this problem more often I would assume. What is the protocol
for carrying a weapon, drawing a weapon, and aiming at a target? At what
point is the saftey to be disengaged if the gun is equipped? Things like
that…I am suggesting process improvements are needed as they may have been
previously overlooked or undervalued.

Sumtingwong on Fri, 11/09/2012 - 11:06am

Apparenty, yes.

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