House panel votes to let residents make guns and bullets, cites freedoms of 10th Amendment
PHOENIX — A House panel voted Thursday to let Arizonans make their own guns and bullets and sell them without having to comply with federal regulations.
Rep. Nancy McLain, R-Bullhead City, said HB 2307 is designed to have Arizona exercise its right of sovereignty guaranteed under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It says “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
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First, we need to remember that most criminals are dumb, and probably buy
their ammo from Walmart (or steal it). Law enforcement can trace the source
of the ammo, and possibly find the criminal/terrorist. Homegrown ammo would
be harder to trace, and would make the criminal/terrorist harder to trace.
The less homegrown ammo there is, the better. Granted, the really serious
criminal/terrorist would be difficult to find, no matter what. Still, being
able to trace 99% of the ammo is better than only being able to trace 20% of
it.
And it’s very expensive and the useful results is FAR from “20%”. “The
common layman seems to believe that two bullets fired from the same weapon
are identical, down to the very last striation placed on them by the weapon.
The trained firearms examiner knows how far that is from reality.” (AFTE
Journal, George G. Krivosta, Winter 2006 edition, Suffolk County Crime
Laboratory, Hauppauge, New York.) As I’ve posted: In five years of
execution, Maryland’s ballistics database failed to lead to ANY criminal
arrests or convictions and cost $2,567,633. Arizona is cutting budgets; do
you really believe millions being spent for what doesn’t work is a good
idea?
handloading/reloading is not all that common among most gun owners, and I’m
willing to bet even less so amongst criminals. I’m hard pressed to find any
news reporting where, when criminal hangouts were raided,
re-loading/handloading supplies were mentioned. Easier to find reports where
multiple guns, lots of storebought ammo found. the reloaders I know are
law-abiding shooting enthusiasts, possessing a higher level of dedication to
safety and security. not the type of folks you find on the SV police sheets.
Whether you are pro-gun or not, it would be wise to not act like petty
children brawling throughout the internet pages of SV Herald. Use your brains
and direct these feelings towards the appropriate people who right the laws
and have the influencial votes with regards towards the gun rights issues.
Some day if you feel all of your rights have been eliminated, who is at
fault? In my honest opinion it will be those who have let inaction in
contacting their elected officials whether they serve on the State or Federal
levels. Acting like children solves nothing at all, it just shows how lacking
in people are in regards towards not addressing these issues to the right
people. I agree vastly that for the most part larger government is NOT a
necessity but i will direct my personal correspondance to the appropriate
people who have the pull! Squabbling among each other does no good in a forum
like this.
My gosh, no regulations. You need regulations for just about every thing for
safety purposes. There are regulations for clothing, (sleepers have to be
flame resistant) toys, cars, building houses/additions, guidelines; just to
name a few. No one wants to take your guns…keep them. But I’m tired of
hearing that this or that is against law abiding gun owners. If you are law
abiding what do you have to hide or what difference does it make to fill out
some forms or have guidelines. I have no problem with you having one. I just
want to know that the people that do are not nut cases that just have not
reacted yet. Criminals will alsways find loopholes….I am talking about law
abiding people. I think having no regulations/guidelines will cause many
problems down the road.
When gun registry became law in California (“assault weapons”), NYC,
Chicago, and DC; do you REALLY think the criminals registered their guns?
(Does the answer to that question sound as stupid to you as it does to me?)
Criminals LEGALLY do NOT have to register their guns. (U.S. vs Haynes), so
whom do you emote that leaves effected by the gun laws? Tell us what laws did
the law-abiding citizens that registered their guns in California, Chicago,
and D.C. violate to warrant having their legal property seized from them when
the registration was used to confiscate their guns? Again, do you emote the
criminals registered their guns and had their guns taken? And yet there has
not been a single case where registration was instrumental in identifying
someone who committed a crime. (Gun Licensing Leads to Increased Crime, Lost
Lives, John Lott, L.A. Times, Aug 23, 2000)
marciensv states: “No one wants to take your guns…keep them.” This is
of course a lie. Remember the incompetent Janet Reno FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY
GENERAL? She said: “The most effective means of fighting crime in the United
States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian
populace.” Or Senator Diane Feinstein, speaking on “60-Minutes” about guns
said “if I thought I could get the votes, I’d have taken them all.” That’s
just 2 examples of statements; here is where the guns of the law-abiding were
actually TAKEN AWAY: The law-abiding citizens of California (Black guns the
stupid call “assault weapons”), NYC, DC, Chicago and Nazi Germany
registered their guns and the registry was used to confiscate their LEGAL
guns.
Lets not fall for the dream that government regulation is the answer to all
of life’s problems. Just look at some recent examples - the recall of baby
cribs because the PARENTS failed to assemble them correctly. Maybe the
parents should be recalled. How about the millions of dollars the butane
lighter industry had to spend to make “child-proof” lighters? Has anyone done
a study on the number of house fires started by children playing with
lighters before the law and then after the law? Of course not. That is not
the point of the regulations. The law was made to make us feel safer, and
appreciate our nanny Big Government for taking care of us. Look at last
week’s study that showed the anti-cell phone laws do NOT result in less
automobile accidents. It used to be a joke when people would complain and
then finish their complaining by saying, “There ought to be a law….”
Unfortunately, many of you love big government and want those laws,
regulating every human activity.
Steve you lost the argument when you couldn’t defend your position. Instead
you decided to make off the wall comments that have nothing to do with gun
regulation. No regulations means no way to convict criminals. Vigilante
justice is against the law Steve. We need gun control and gun laws to
prosecute the criminals. If we don’t have gun laws in place then their is
nothing to charge the criminals with. Do your job, be civic minded, support
your government. If you can not support your government then move somewhere
that you can.
So your solution is we need more laws to catch criminals? Hardly a solution,
you see in this country we have this thing called the constitution (the same
thing that your party, sometimes rightfully so, accused Bush of breaking) and
such regulation is against 2 of the amendments of it. Are we to believe that
the constitution applies when it restricts someone who isn’t a liberal only?
We hear the exact same argument (vigilante justice, lawlessness) every time
something involving firearms comes up, like the so called “assault” weapons
ban, the CCW law, CCW laws letting holders take their weapons into bars, etc.
Just the last example, we heard on this site that all kinds of restaurants
were going to leave, yet, did it happen? no. The mass exodus of business from
Arizona didn’t happen due to that law. Again, you can already legally make
your own ammo. We have enough laws regarding firearms, don’t try to make it
sound as if we don’t.