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Published/Last Modified on Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 - 05:17:11 am MST

To the Editor:

In response to the Nov. 14 letter to the editor authored by Steven M. Wilson, I applaud Mr. Wilson for furthering his education, staying informed about happenings in his home community, but am more than a bit dismayed by the idealistic and narrow view he holds, enhanced by his limited experience and youth.

First, those receiving Social Security have paid into the system since long before your illustrious presence on this planet. Second, people are losing their homes, the financial crisis has left many wondering if they will have jobs tomorrow, and those on fixed incomes are having an increasingly difficult time even making ends meet. Please explain to me why the youth are “owed” this override? I’ve visited local schools and can tell you there are more “things to do” than I have ever seen. Outrageous amounts are spent on the salaries of administrators, many of whom can’t manage basic math or determine obscene words in the grade school work. For proof, one need look only as far as the “approved” work of elementary schools or the last override.

Many of us are concerned about personal comfort, things as a roof, food, jobs and other “incidentals.” Shame on us for such selfish reasoning. Perhaps young Mr. Wilson would be well-served to look how his generation has lived in a world of excess, all provided by well-meaning parents who failed to understand they fostered unreasonable expectations. While I’m at it, shame on you, Steven, for thinking higher education is some kind of God-given right when previous generations waited, paid for it ourselves, no loans involved.



In difficult economic times, we must learn to do without, from individuals to government. No, it’s not pleasant but it’s called life. Tighten the belt, do our best until times improve, which they will. Having been involved in the music industry since your parents were young, I know how important music is. I also know that sometimes it means parents need to fill more of the gaps. But continually passing the tin cup gets old, something you will find out when you’re my age, and it’s not always the solution.

Your letter solidified my belief that education doesn’t always lead to enlightenment, that sometimes we need to put the brakes on tossing money out toward something that appears ill-designed, and that perhaps we need to look more closely at our educational system. Balance, young Steven, may I suggest you learn it and give thanks to old gaffers like me who’ve ensured you’ve lived so well instead of complain that we don’t do more.

Sally Acevedo

Sierra Vista



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    To Sally wrote on Dec 4, 2008 4:29 PM:

    " To Sally: As a "youth", I am wondering why it is our fault and why we must suffer because our parents and grandparents got the economy into such a mess. We will be inheriting this mess and we're going to be expected to fix it, yet we are not being provided the necessary resources and means to do so. "

    BB wrote on Dec 3, 2008 12:57 PM:

    " To Sierravistan, your rich greedy senior steoro type is not supported by facts. Maybe the voters are puzzled that with home prices, population, and property taxes soaring...AND enrollment in the district up less than 5% from 10 years ago why there is a money problem at all???? "

    JR wrote on Dec 3, 2008 12:14 PM:

    " The education system in Arizona would be fine if we spent the money used for teaching illegals English on other educational programs that helps legal citizins. Heck, we may even be able to bail out Social Security. "

    SierraVistan wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:24 AM:

    " to jee wiz - To think that because you know how to google you're better informed that Senator McCain only serves to show your immaturity and how little about the real world you really know. Come back when you have a career, raised a few kids and made something of yourself. Until then, I wouldn't count on googling to feed you and your familiy or to pay the bills. IOW: grow up. "

    Winston Smith wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:16 AM:

    " Tossing blame back and forth seems to miss the point. The Educrats who continually lowball the budget and then come around later for more, are the problem. Now they have been called to task. I'm sure that if the District looked at it's non teaching budget there are a couple layers of fat that could be removed. Calling each other names solves nothing "

    SierraVistan wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:11 AM:

    " To BB - Local seniors who live at poverty level don't own homes and therefore aren't affected by any overrides. The loudest voices against the override I've heard come from people who come here to retire from outside the state, live in fancy new homes, drive fancy new cars and feel no obligation to help educate our local kids. That's a definition of selfish. As for "fancy school buildings", my daugher went to SVMS where they were taught in rat infested "temporary" building that were supposed to be used for 2 years and were used for over 20 years. "

    To jee wiz wrote on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM:

    " John McCain can't use a computer because of the injuries he sustained as a Prisoner of War. He has probably forgotten more knowledge than you have ever possessed. He also has class, something else you lack. And, he knows the meaning of sacrifice - something of which you are completely clueless. Go get dry behind the ears before you criticize someone who has accomplished so much. I doubt your resume would take more than a couple of lines. "

    not a senior wrote on Dec 2, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Sally is correct about everything, she did her part in society, now is time for her to live in peace with whatever little she may have, the rest of you, if you want art, music, etc, pay for it, I'm sure Buena will take your money. "

    jee wiz wrote on Dec 2, 2008 3:24 AM:

    " Your well aged, and well versed in the denial aspect of conversation, but we as a the youth are comfortable with adults exploiting their age as a makeshift lever to gain the upper hand. Those who use this technique try to make a firm bond between age, and informational exposure. But of course like everything else it depends how much "exposure" one chooses to expose himself to in his time. Can Johny McCain who has never checked his email, expose himself to the same amount and variety of information as one who is well versed in google? I think not "

    Heya wrote on Dec 2, 2008 3:14 AM:

    " Wait, I don't understand, you provided for this young man as you insinuate in your closing remark??? Or we as a community did? Because last i checked we as a community have the worst murder rates in the world, the worst diets in the world, and not much better in health care, education, ect. Point being that if statistics in the previously stated areas are any compass for how well this young man was raised, then I do believe you have no room to be judging what he is and isn't owed. "

    BB wrote on Nov 29, 2008 2:12 PM:

    " I think some people need to check the income levels of local seniors. Hint: they are mostly living at poverty level. Poor administration and excess influence by real estate developers on local government have caused the financial problems in this community NOT senior citizens! Growth without regard to quality of life. Fancy school buildings where students fail to learn the basics. Education leads to higher income...does that mean college students are out for personal comfort at the expense of basic needs of seniors? "

    No bankers please wrote on Nov 27, 2008 1:53 AM:

    " Unless the ethical portion of the banking profession is stressed more, we don't need no more stinkin' bankers anyway if today's economic situation is evidence of their training and ability. "

    Obama girl wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:30 PM:

    " Hope this woman gets treated with the same lack of respect she shows for young folks. Typical old bat with a sense of entitlement. Get over yourself! "

    Buena Student wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:29 PM:

    " You need to be a little bit more reasonable and consider education a little bit more heavily on your list. The graduates of today will soon be YOUR nurses, doctors, and Bankers in the future. If those students do not get adequate education, someday they may just be YOUR nurse, and your life may be on the line. Maybe you should think things through before you reply with such rude words. "

    Wordsmith youre wrong wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:20 AM:

    " Wordsmith, you're confusing 'ad hominem' with 'insult.' The 'direct verbal frontal assault' you describe is merely an insult. To argue 'ad hominem' means to dodge the merits of an argument by stating or implying that some personal quality of the opponent vitiates the argument. All insults are ad hominem, but not the other way around. Good example with your last sentence, where you imply that my Latin is new and therefore not to be trusted, when in fact my Latin is 55 years old, and your magisterial posture is mere presumption. "

    Wordsmith wrote on Nov 21, 2008 2:03 PM:

    " I'm glad to see that 'No ad hominem' (in this and other posts) has fallen in love with the Latin phrase. But I think the author is rather overstating/overusing the phrase. To be precise, an ad hominem attack normally means a direct verbal frontal assault on a person. For example, debaters never, never call their debating opponent vulgar names. That's clearly an a.h. attack. But if they said, 'My opponent has grossly misstated the facts in order to allege the truth,' that is NOT an a.h. attack. So don't be too loose with your newly acquired foreign vocabulary. "

    Its the law... wrote on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM:

    " To Thanks, Steven and others do not and will not pay social security to lessen any burden for anyone. We pay into it because it is the LAW. Did I miss something about SS and other taxes? Are they optional now? Do we only have to pay if we want to help others? No my friend, we have to pay them. When and if Steven has a family in the future, he will see that we all don't have extra money to throw at our problems. "

    Money isnt the answer... wrote on Nov 21, 2008 11:38 AM:

    " No matter what the budget it is up to the students to make the effort to learn and become productive members of society. Many don't have half of the extra curricular activities that are available at Buena, but they don't let that stop them from achieving their goals. I graduated from high school 12 years ago, and the biggest difference I see in my generation as opposed to today’s youth in the emergence of a very selfish “me” attitude. I am not pointing that finger at Steven, but sadly he may be the exception to the norm. "

    Paid Taxes Not to Help wrote on Nov 21, 2008 5:34 AM:

    " The statement that someone is paying taxes to help someone else is laughable! People pay taxes to stay out of jail, maintain their property from being confiscated and sold, and because it is a mandatory legal requirement. How much tax would you be willing to pay (to help others) if it were optional? "

    Overhaul wrote on Nov 21, 2008 5:26 AM:

    " Schools in SV need an overhaul! Teachers are doing the same lesson plan, year after year after year. Some worksheets my children brought home are from as far back as 1980. Art, music and PE are a nice addition but I believe it is much more important to provide new books and an updated lesson plan. Having to color the 13 colonies, in 7th grade, is a joke. Pick one and write a research paper. No wonder the US falls way behind compared to the rest of the world. Some third world countries do better with much smaller budgets! "

    Thanks to Stevens Dad wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:38 PM:

    " Steven's Dad, you have raised a very intelligent and caring son. Great job!!!!! I just wish the community naysayers could meet him and see that our city has talented, smart students that graduate from Buena, go to college and are successful. Taxpayer, by the time Steven is ready for social security it may be GONE and then why did he pay it? To lessen your burden. "

    Taxpayer wrote on Nov 20, 2008 5:36 PM:

    " Dad, you'll also receive far more in benefits than you paid in. And so will Steven and everyone else. What's your point? If you can relinquish your SS benefits to help lessen Steven's burden, go for it. The rest of us may need it. We applaud you. "

    Taxpayer wrote on Nov 20, 2008 5:22 PM:

    " Thank you, Ms. Acevedo. Hope you will run for a school board position next time. "

    Mustang Sally wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:20 PM:

    " Sally A. is wrong on so many levels to criticize the youthfull writer. To claim that Everyone prior to Steven M. paid for their education by themselves is not true. The WWII GI Bill, and other taxpayer programs have financed higher education for millions. If our nation truly wants to lead the world, education and free higher education to anyone who can pass the courses should be a given. Education is not some luxury we have to wait for better times to fund! I'm one senior who would give up a dinner out once a month to fund education. "

    Talamon wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:43 PM:

    " Such an opinion piece that is filled with bile for the youth. It is sad that Ms. Acevedo would rather make her points by being rude to Mr. Wilson rather than plainly state her case. Yes, I agree with the main point in both articles (Wilson's point was to have both the young and the old work together "for the greater good" and Acevedo's point was that the override would not go to the people who would need it the most). "

    education not selfish wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:56 PM:

    " "Today's retirees will generally get back all they paid into Social Security plus a modest return on their investment. But according to the non-partisan Tax Foundation, when today's young workers retire, they will actually receive a negative rate of return -- they'll get less paid out than they paid" from the CATO Institute.
    Because AZ is very low on school support (49 of 50), about 75% of AZ School Districts have an override. Our District will cut programs such as music, art, library staff,... that will hurt our schools & penalize your granddaughter's education. "

    Life Long SV Resident wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:40 PM:

    " My family and I have paid taxes for a couple of generations here. Our children, MY CHILDREN, need all we can give them, and the sour attitude of this response letter shows one thing....selfishness.
    While I agree that the system needs an overhaul, just because you grew up in a different era doesn't mean my children need to suffer as you did. I think our teachers need to be paid more, if they are qualified, and our kids deserve every opportunity we can provide.
    Your future depends on todays kids. Willing to gamble on their competency? "

    Interested party wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:46 AM:

    " Young adults like Steven should be commended for caring about their community and society, and encouraged to continue voting and voicing their opinions. Personal attacks and empty assumptions do nothing to further Steven's hope that "each generation should work cooperatively with others for the greater good". Steven may still have a lot to learn, but a positive, caring attitude will serve him well, and never goes out of style. Keep it up, Steven, and some day the world will be a much better place. "

    P. Abel wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " Well said Sally. I applaud your letter. I couldn't have said it better myself. Well done! "

    Taxpayer wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:00 AM:

    " Very well said. Thanks for your thoughts, Ms. Acevedo. Please consider running for the school board next time. "

    Stevens Dad wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:42 AM:

    " Steven worked hard to earn his Army ROTC Scholarship, AIMS Tuition Waiver, Military Officer's Association Scholarship, and Warrant Officer's Association Scholarship. He also worked part time for his spending money which included paying for your SS. You may have paid into SS but you will receive far more in benefits. It is Steven's generation that is already paying the difference. The next time the AARP comes arround with tin cups asking for increased SS and Medicare benefits you better hope that Steven's generation is more generous than you. "

    Just 1 Question wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:42 AM:

    " And how much did You actually pay into social security? Not your husband! Most women of your generation are being carried by your husband's payments into that system. Have a wonderful carefree day :0)!!!!!!!! "

    No Ad Hominem wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:12 AM:

    " Sally, your own illustrious presence on this planet has gone on so long that you have forgotten a basic rule of argumentation that you learned when you were young: no ad hominem arguments. If your arguments are correct, would you need to keep attacking the age of the person you are arguing against? Besides, if being younger than you means being foolish, what does that say about all the decisions you made when you were younger? If you take the ad hominem arguments out of your letter, ya got nuttin. "

    Amen Sally wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:46 AM:

    " Well said Sally, and your thoughts express mine similarly. "

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