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Group plans protest today outside fort, in SV park

By Bill Hess
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Sunday, Nov 16, 2008 - 06:19:38 am MST

SIERRA VISTA — A retired Tucson minister says a civilian human rights commission is needed to oversee interrogation training on Fort Huachuca.

The Army says its training follows the law and the guidelines set forth in the Army Field Manual.

Today, a number of people are expected to “engage in a peaceful, non-violent protest in Sierra Vista and outside the gates of the Army post.”

This will be the fifth year for the “A No to Torture Rally.” People from 15 states are expected to be at this year’s protest.


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The retired minister, Ken Kennon, said the event is an avenue to ask those in charge of training on the fort “to simply follow the law.”

The consortium involved in the protest also are seeking a congressional investigation and hearings on how soldiers are trained to become interrogators.

Since the rallies began in 2004, there have been counterprotesters who have challenged the accusation that courses at the Intelligence Center teaches methods of torture as part of the human intelligence collector course.

Fort spokeswoman Tanja Linton said the accusation of teaching methods of torture is not correct.

“The U.S. Army Intelligence Center trains Department of Defense human intelligence collectors in accordance with Army Field Manual 2-22.3,” she said.

That training is “consistent with the applicable laws and policies to include Senator (John) McCain’s amendment and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005,” Linton said.

In 2004 and 2005, 50 protesters each year were countered by 20 each year with no one being arrested for attempting to get on the post. The fort’s Main Gate was closed to traffic most of the years during the protests, as it will be this year.

The atmosphere was fairly peaceful on both sides in 2004 and 2005, but in 2006 heightened emotions began to show as the number of protesters reached about 100 and those countering them was about 50. That year, two Roman Catholic priests were arrested for attempting to enter the fort.

Last year, the number of protesters reached 300 and those against them increased to more than 100, There were individual and group screaming matches with threats thrown back and forth as Sierra Vista police officers kept a line of demarcation between the two groups.

Last year fort officials invited three people who were planning to protest to meet with the commander of the battalion that trains human intelligence collectors, formerly called interrogators, and some of his staff a couple of days before the rally. The two sides met, agreeing to disagree about the issue.

Two days later, two of the three protesters who sat down for more than an hour with the fort officials were arrested, along with another person, who attempted to illegally enter the fort during the rally.

Kennon said he and others were not impressed by what the post attempted to do to tell their side of the story.

“We are used to dog-and-pony shows,” he said, noting such briefings are useless.

Kennon said he doesn’t know if anyone this year will attempt to enter the post in an “attempt to talk to commanders and soldiers about our concerns,” noting that decision will be made by each individual.

Unlike the previous rallies across the street from the fort’s main entrance where the protesters used an empty lot to gather in, that will not happen this year, the organizer said.

Instead, the event will start at 10 a.m. at Veterans’ Memorial Park in Sierra Vista.

One of the speakers at the park will be the Rev. Louie Vitale, who was arrested for trespassing on the fort in 2006 and was  eventually sentenced to five months in federal prison, which was one of his several stints in confinement for anti-military protests over the years.

During his trail in federal court in Tucson, Vitale and co-defendant the Rev. Steve Kelly tried to turn the case into a trial on torture training, but the judge refused their efforts.

Army Reserve Col. Ann Wright, who is a retired U.S. State Department official, also is scheduled to speak. She, too, has been arrested a number of times for her anti-war stances, primarily involving the U.S. actions in Iraq.

After the rally at the park, the protesters plan to walk slightly more than two miles from the park to the corner of Fry Boulevard and Buffalo Soldier Trail, where the fort’s Main Gate is located.

Kennon said some protesters are expected to gather outside federal contractor offices in Sierra Vista, contending those businesses provide instructors to the fort and are part of the problem.

Kennon said the fort’s past association with the former School of the Americas in providing manuals to train Latin American military on how to use torture means the Intelligence Center has a history of teaching such unsavory practices and that, along with what happened at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq where Iraqi detainees were harassed, are the reasons for protesting the fort.

The Schools of the Americas no longer exists. It was renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation. Kennon said a change in name doesn’t mean a change in what is taught at Fort Benning, Ga. There has been an annual protest outside that fort for many years, and it takes place next week.

Emphasizing the protest group wants to keep the event peaceful, Kennon said there will be trained peacekeepers from his organization wearing orange vests who will work to keep things nonviolent, and they will work with the Sierra Vista police.

The group is expected to leave the park around 1:30 p.m. and to be outside the fort about an hour later for “our vigil,” he said.

Linton said everyone on Fort Huachuca have taken an oath to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution.

“We fully respect the right of Americans to express different opinions under the First Amendment,” she said.

Herald/Review senior reporter Bill Hess can be reached at 515-4615 or by e-mail at bill.hess@svherald.com.



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    Chill out have a beer wrote on Nov 30, 2008 7:10 PM:

    " Chill out and have a beer Catbert. No one is frightened about having a difference of opinion. But this group has seriously been misled. It's like picketing in front of Target because you don't like the wages that WAL-Mart is paying their employees. Not very effective and it will not likely garner any change. It might irritate those Target shoppers that have to cross the picket line. It might have the defense of those who agree with the cause (like yourself for instance) to defend their right to protest there, but what does it really accomplish? Nada! "

    Catbert wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:42 PM:

    " Just how frightened can you be that someone might have an opinion different than yours. Call out the troops, shout them down, now that's democracy in action. Just like the troops who were set loose on those "Commies" known as the Bonus Army. At least that was what Prescott Bush called the First World War Veterans seeking thier bonus's during the depression. He tried to usee it as an excuse to arrest the Socialists in the White House "

    Old Marine wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:41 PM:

    " What is wrong with these people? They have been told again and again that torture is not taught at the Intel school. They have been told by people associated with and teaching in the school. Also by those taught in the school. As I have stated in another thread, there may be a few over zealous student graduates that have gone over the edge in commiting these deeds. However, don't fault the school who does the training. "

    Dan wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:39 PM:

    " These let these bums waste their time, it's not like a group of hippies sitting outside the fort is going to make the people at fort Huachuca change anything about what they do. Guess what people, the military has a chain of command, and unless the big daddy's up at VA say so, things will continue to go the same way. You are protesting in the wrong state. Even if they did teach torture on base, your proteststing will make no difference, you all should just go home and shower instead. "

    Too Pauly wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:36 PM:

    " Get a grip. What is that name? See Ya!! "

    Daniel Holderman wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:01 AM:

    " Heaven forbid anyone disagree with the VFW, as if they represent all veterans. "

    bob wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:34 AM:

    " I thought liberals liked torture. If they were using gerbals at Guitmo I guess the Democrats would form a line to get in. "

    Pauly wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:41 AM:

    " A Vet that is undermining our war effort and enabling our enemy. They have a name for that. "

    Vet wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:32 PM:

    " Good grief Pauly you sound so paranoid. If it was up to you we'd be living under marshall law. Your glory days are over it's a whole different breed now. Grow old gracefully if you can't do that join a mercenary group and go after the enemy yourself or can you decifer who the enemy is? You're really beginning to bore me! Get some help about your anger Not all fellow Vets agree with you accept that fact and move on you are so easily baited and you fall right into quick and hasty judgments. "

    Hey rez wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:17 PM:

    " What he H. so snow birds have to do with this, most of the protesters are from the great ignorant state of AZ "

    Long time SV rez wrote on Nov 18, 2008 12:22 PM:

    " Protest this, protest that. The bottom line is that we DO NOT teach torture at Ft. Huachuca. People are so missed informed. I really love that these snow birds like to come and protest something that they don't even have a clue about. How about minding your own business for once! I was married to a teacher up on Fort at the intell school. Torture wasn't on the circulum. If you don't like it, don't visit here. "

    Pauly wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:47 AM:

    " You should then remember "Four dead in Ohio" was a mistake made by Reservists. And you're right, I have no respect for anyone who tries to enable our enemy or undermine my government's efforts in that regard. And don't worry about the store. Trust me, it wouldn't take many troops at all to teach the ignorant how to act. And quit using our constitution to justify their sorry actions. "

    Too Pauly wrote on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 PM:

    " Oh please! Sounds like you are the one fearful. If a demonstration is a form of undermining our war effort Mr. you haven't been around. Our armed forces are to fight wars and keep our enemies at bay. Do you remember Kent State? I do. I am not the least fearful of their words, I don't agree with them but it is their right to speak. If we had troops out their who would be minding the store? You are so ignorant and you show no respect for anyones comments or opnions. Read the constitution. Old War Horse. "

    Pauly wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:02 AM:

    " To Vet Old Guard, So their presence instills fear? Very good in my opinion. You should fear when you engage in undermining our war effort and enabling our enemy. I think the police should not be there and be replaced by a mass formation of our troops. Then you'ld really have something to fear huh? "

    Nobody wrote on Nov 17, 2008 1:45 AM:

    " "They do it to us! Why should we play fair?" Are you in second grade or did you drop out before that? I'm a disabled Army vet and I'd have hobbled two miles with this group had I known. I don't believe torture techniques are taught on post, but they were introduced in 'the field'. It doesn't extract enough useful intel, is deplorable and it makes our soldiers more susceptible to this type of treatment in the future. We must live by our principles and fight according to the Geneva Conventions, or we will have already lost to the terrorists. "

    Vet Old Guard wrote on Nov 17, 2008 1:28 AM:

    " I'll bet RJK belongs to these "biker" vet groups. I'll agree a person's appearance shouldn't have to correlate with their character but unfortunately in this cynical and biased world it does. Veteran's clubs like the Am. Legion and VFW are supposed to be non-partisan. Your leadership should restrict you from attending these demonstarations. These clubs are not supposed to be political. Do it on your own time. Your numbers do show strength but it also shows cowardness when your presence instills fear againt individuals exercising their 1st amendment right. "Patriot" guard I can accept, let the Police do their jobs. "

    Just A Soldier wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:33 PM:

    " Go and take a good close look at "Iraq Veterans Against the War" (IVAW). More often than not, the "soldiers" of that fine organization have been proven to be phony (see Jesse McBeth), or have been unable to substantiate their claims. As much as I believe these protesters are misguided and uninformed, I will continue to support their constitutional right to peaceful assembly. My advice is to treat them as you would treat any child throwing a tantrum. Ignore them. "

    CONCERNED wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:22 PM:

    " These protesters should also be concerned over the tortured sex abused parishnors. "

    Josh wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:54 PM:

    " I believe what you are saying Anne, and you absolutely have the right to protest and speak out for what you believe in. However, as a person who teaches on Ft. Huachuca, I can assure you that there is not some huge conspiracy of torturous teaching! It is frustrating to those of us who are in the know, that people like yourself have failed to educate yourself to the facts. I guess ignorance truly is bliss, isn't it?? We do not teach torture!! It IS fundamentally wrong. We can at least agree on that... "

    Hmmm wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:45 PM:

    " I am surprised that anti-torture guy McCain isn't there. If he had his way The post would be shut down and interrogation would never happen. Good call on electing Obama to keep us safe! "

    Anne Carey wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:09 PM:

    " I appreciate that many have strong feelings about the protests at Fort Huachuca. However, some of the comments printed here contain errors of fact. For example, Father Louis Vitale served our country in the U.S. Air Force before being called to Franciscan ministry. For another example, I am personally acquainted with a number of people who took part in today's action, and none of them has been paid by anyone to be there. They came out of their understanding that following Jesus means that they are to resist the violence of torture wherever it is taught. "

    Josh wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:32 PM:

    " Hey 'Informed Patriots', just curious to know where you were deployed to...when did you go through the school house at Ft. Huachuca? Your credibility is far from established, especially if you are standing up for these yahoos. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:29 PM:

    " I just love how some of you keep saying 9-11 was preventable. If it was preventable then how come Clinton didn't do anything during his term to stop Osama? You guys keep blaming Bush every chance you get but you keep forgetting Clinton didn't do anything to stop terrorism. Besides it takes a tragedy like 9-11 to get anyone to actually do something to protect this country. I am just glad Bush decided to do something unlike Clinton and his do nothing administration. "

    RJK wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:21 PM:

    " Today I walked with other Soldiers, former Soldiers, and family members of current Soldiers serving. We were the minority but we were there among those speaking out against torture. I walked with a mother of a son now serving in Iraq. I met some great patriotic people exercising a core freedom we all share. As we approached the main gate, I was shocked and amused at the same time as people yelled out at me to "get a job" and "take a bath", among other things. Hope they feel better about themselves and sleep well tonight. I will, SGM K. "

    CGS wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:49 PM:

    " We drove past the post at 4pm and saw the main gate closed. Is the protest the reason why the gate was closed? The article doesn't mention anything about the main gate being closed today. I didn't see any protesters, though. The two mile walk probably was too much for their overweight bodies. "

    hummer wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:26 PM:

    " "Remember", The Army's MI School does not teach anything that is not recognized by international law or the laws of war. They are wasting their time standing in front of Fort Huachuca. If they want to target those that don't follow the laws of war then they need hold their protest at Langley, VA. Of course they don't want to do that. They would risk being arrested under the Patriot Act. They find places where their protest has no credible impact because that's safe. They pander to those of you who have no idea what is what. "

    Jokster wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:00 PM:

    " Informed Patriots, that wrote at 11:21 AM: gets their info from utube. That is scary, and we let people like them vote? "

    Mikey wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:14 PM:

    " Thanks SV Herald for the article. I look forward to this event only for the on-line comments. Please get the cost to the city numbers (police overtime, etc) ASAP. Those comments are great as well. "

    Robert Lynch wrote on Nov 16, 2008 3:28 PM:

    " I have seen these "peace" types for over 50 years. The only country they hate is the U.S.A.!
    They demonstrated FOR SOVIET UNION, NORTH KOREA, NORTH VIET NAM, now they side with OSAMA and TALIBAN.
    Do we need to know anything else about them?
    When is the last time any of them were in our Armed FORCES? NEVER.
    The only country they hate is their own!
    PITY THEM, as they are lost souls, each and every one of them. "

    kcs wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:45 AM:

    " The Herald Headline should have read "Anarchists and Cowards Show Up At The Front Gate of Fort Huachuca to Once Again Take the Side of the Enemy in The War On Terrorism" "

    Informed Patriots wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:21 AM:

    " Oh yeh, have you heard about the veterans against the iraq war? Are you suggesting you know more then they. You are very well turning your back on those you claim to support. Our justice system does NOT practice accountability but relys on warped interpretation of the constitution. The powerful escape. Troops should not support corrupt leadership and are dying in vain in a war instigated after the preventable 9/11. This administration should be charged with mass murder. If the US won't hold them accountable, other countries will. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfxv4shUHg "

    Remember that thing called the constitution wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:59 AM:

    " You guys are really scary, most of you anyway. These "wackjobs" are probably doing more and know more then you do. It's just easier to write them off then possibly consider such abuses exist. Your "false patriotism" echos through your hateful words. Such apathy and ignorance. We are not safer, it is the opposite. If you look to experts, not in the main media. You may be very surprised. Chuck Baldwin said it's not the Republicans and Democrats, it's the globalists and the constitutionalists. It's obvious what side most (seem) 2take. "

    Stupid Idea wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:41 AM:

    " America already has more rules and regulations in place when it comes to how we treat POWs than any other nation. Soldiers who break the rules face appropriate punishment. Look at how captured Americans have been treated by the enemy. No POW prisons, no trials... only brutal death and often, no return of remains. We are at war. This guy needs to get a life! "

    kcs wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:22 AM:

    " Traitors and seditionists will march and wave their little signs again and show whose side they are really on in the war on terrorism. Wackjobs, all of them. "

    Dogbert wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:02 AM:

    " The Bush Legacy, it's going to take generations to live it down "

    Supporter and Defender of the US Constitution... wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:57 AM:

    " They have their right to protest, but they are wasting their time. I work at the Fort and my husband was stationed there as well, previously before retiring. We know that the Army does NOT teach these local soldiers to torture others. "

    Nam Vet wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:43 AM:

    " Why close the forts gate, or give these idiots any ink in the Herald? Ingore them and they will go away. "

    BeachBum2U wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:38 AM:

    " Protecting the United States & it's People is not a Spectator Sport - All Observers may now leave the field! When was the last time a Terrorist and Enemy of America asked our Troops what thier preferred method of interrogation might be? It is time for these protestors to either Support our Military for the protection we have or leave this country! I would guess most of these protestors are paid bodies (usually a few bucks per event they show up for) and most have done nothing to support the Freedom of Speech they take for granted! "

    sokol wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:28 AM:

    " It's a victory for the American people everytime we meet together in public to protest. It's an affirmation of the US Constitution everytime protest signs go up and the State does not interfere. It's a testimony to Americans that we can disagree without violence. Protest on while I continue to support and defend the Constitution. "

    I live in Hereford wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:19 AM:

    " I hate to see this group get some much free press. They are largely uninformed, hugely anti military and from the looks of the ones I’ve seen over the last few years mostly career unemployed. I think this quote from the article sums it up nicely “The Rev. Louie Vitale, who was arrested for trespassing on the fort in 2006 and was eventually sentenced to five months in federal prison, which was one of his several stints in confinement for anti-military protests over the years” . I encourage all to come down and see this group of misfits "

    SV Taxpayer wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:55 AM:

    " We used to laugh at these type of antics, nothing but clowns, but now with Obama in office, these clowns will soon have more credibility. How long before one of Obama's staff begins the coordination needed to get a Human Rights Commission put in charge of the Army Intel center? The American voter gets what it deserves, these next 4 years ought to be fun. "

    Pauly wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:35 AM:

    " Oh for Pete's sake, give it up already. Stay home and get back on your meds. PLEEEASE! "

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