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Published/Last Modified on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 - 06:21:01 am MST

On Your Mind is the Herald/Review’s telephone opinion line and is intended as a public forum for our readers. Comments represent the opinions of callers and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the newspaper or any specific knowledge that we have. Readers may share their opinions by calling 458-0332, or by e-mail to svhoym@transedge.com or regular mail at 102 Fab Ave., Sierra Vista AZ 85635. Due to the volume of submissions, comments will be limited to 150 words or fewer. Comments are edited. Comments for the week also can be viewed at www.svherald.com, under “Opinions.”




Oct. 28


A comment in OYM on Oct. 24 stated that America will become a Third World country like Darfur if Obama is elected because “He’s a quarter Arab, a quarter African-Negro and half white with no experience.” Darfur is not a country, but a province in Sudan. Arab is not a racial term, but a linguistic one.

 

Oct. 31

We have the same problem with relentlessly barking dogs in Bisbee. We’ve called animal control many times to no avail.

 

NOV. 1

A Sept. 5 article by Bill Hess discussed the problems with teacher retention. Our government and union-run schools have been providing inferior education compared with other countries. We discourage initiative and achievement by holding back our brightest to wait for the slowest to catch up. It’s politically correct. Many current or prospective teachers reject the profession due to the super liberal union agenda pushing the gay agenda, as it differs from their beliefs. I am told of one teacher who had to be taken to court and evicted for failure to pay rent. We need more charter or Christian schools without union controls or emphasis on standardized test passing for all as the goal.

 

I just received another unwanted robocall from the McCain campaign. I wish McCain and his Rovian tacticians would realize that every time I get a robocall claiming Obama is affiliated with “radical groups like,” every time I see/hear another negative attack ad on TV or radio, every time I hear Palin on the news insinuating that Obama supports terrorists, I go online and send Obama another $20. Yeah, I’m ready for a change.

 

I just found out the Knights of Columbus donated more than $120,000 to the campaign to permanently write discrimination into our state constitution in the name of “protecting marriage.” The Knights of Columbus have just lost my support. No more bingo dollars from me. No more donations or support for their charity drives. Also, since I book our company’s holiday parties, no more banquets at the Knight’s hall. Equality should mean just that: equality. Shame on them. I just want them to know I also vote with my dollars and support.

 

I was sitting in Wal-Mart’s parking lot the other day waiting on my wife who was inside shopping and I saw at least six or eight people get out of their car, leave the doors unlocked and go into the store. I don’t know if they took their keys, however it’s no wonder so many cars are stolen. There’s the big write-up in the paper this morning: Five Dodge pickups swiped just in the last few days. Thieves are experts at hot-wiring and driving the car away. Wake up folks. Lock your car.

 

According to the news, they’re having this drug war on the border and we’re worried about it infiltrating into the U.S. Well, it sure isn’t stopping them from coming across to go shopping. There are hundreds of them in the area, all through Wal-Mart and everything and acting like there’s nothing wrong. Maybe they can stay home and take care of their problems instead of coming here. We can’t afford to shop in Sierra Vista, but they can. I have to go to Tucson to get a decent deal.

 

No one suggested the man in Willcox vandalized his own property and faked being threatened. He was victimized no matter who did it. It was suggested the “American-hating lefties” or radical socialists did it to stir up fear and resentment and swing the election left. It wouldn’t be the first time. There have been several incidents of people faking racial attacks and/or attacking racially to put the blame on the other side. It would be stupid of anyone who was racist to make this kind of attack and strengthen the sympathy for the community they are attacking. A vast majority of Americans in this day and age just want the Ku Klux Klan and their stupidity to disappear with time. The sooner the better.

 

This is for the person who complained about the newsprint rubbing off on their clothes. I used to have this problem as well, though it has improved dramatically since I stopped spreading the newspaper out on the floor and rolling around on it like a dog.

NOV. 2

Still slapping that kid around after all these years, and you people still can’t figure out that they were hunting children? Perhaps there should be an additional reference when prosecuting “predator,” or are you folks at the “love-letter” Sierra Vista Herald complicit?

 

Regular gas in Tucson — $2.39 per gallon. In Sierra Vista, $2.89 per gallon. Maybe it’s time for another investigation by the attorney general. This is getting ridiculous.

 

I just read the editorial in today’s newspaper and it said we should look at the 11 proposition proposals on the ballot. There are only eight. I think you need a new proofreader.

Editor’s note: There were eight state propositions, but also three other issues on the Sierra Vista ballot that shouldn’t have been referred to as propositions — the city’s sale of property, the Southwest Gas issue and the Sierra Vista school budget override.

 

NOV. 3

OK, the Republicans have lost the election big time. So the next question is: What changes the GOP will make to remain viable? It has transformed into the party of the unreasonable right, a haven for racists and reactionaries, and this seems likely to accelerate as a result of defeat. This poses a serious problem for moderates who have lived the last eight years with their head in the sand, denying the lies and incompetence of G.W. Bush. The American people deserve the truth and intelligent leadership. Will the GOP make the necessary changes or become solidly the party of hate and intolerance, constantly whining they been done wrong? At some point we need to quit tolerating the intolerant. Hopefully the time is now.

 

I’m a substitute teacher and go to all the schools. I was shocked to hear a cafeteria manager at one elementary school yell at one of her employees so loud. This is not the first time there, so I commented to one of the other employees about this and he said that’s nothing. The students are all scared to death of her. Why do they have people like that working for the schools?

 

Let me add my two cents to the price of gas in Sierra Vista. Recently I went to Pinetop. All the cities and towns I drove through, such as Safford, Thatcher, Globe and Pinetop, had gas that was cheaper than gas in Sierra Vista. When I left Pinetop two weeks ago gas there was $2.89. When I got to Sierra Vista, it was $3.22. Now you tell me it’s the distributors causing the problem? I don’t think so, because I don’t think Pinetop is on the main line for oil delivery.

 

Boy, am I sick of all the political stuff. Boy, am I sick of all the right-wing religious stuff. They give Christianity a bad name. One must realize that when you hear someone say that they are a “compassionate conservative” it is pretty much a lie. Bush said it. Billy Kristol of the New York Times makes the claim for himself. I don’t think so. He’s got the same smirk on his face that G.W.B. does. I do hear that flushing sound, though. The GOP going down the toilet.

 

It’s the day before the election and I just finished reading your large article on Page A8 about the fact that statistically your vote doesn’t really matter. I’m sure most would agree this article is a disservice to the reading public. If many who read this took it to heart across the nation, it could possibly keep millions from the polls, and statistically that would matter! What a sorry article and shame on you for publishing it on Nov. 3.

Editor’s note: Our intention was not to discourage people from voting. Instead, it was providing a story about a study that took a mathematical look at the election.

Dear Gas City: It’s Nov. 1 and you have Christmas decorations in front of your business. There are two holidays on the calendar before Christmas, Veterans Day and Thanksgiving. This is demeaning to veterans and to all those who celebrate Thanksgiving. Please take them down and put them back up after Thanksgiving. Everyone else who is disgusted at seeing these decorations so early, please let your feelings known.

Just heard via the TV that Senator Obama has lost his beloved maternal grandmother to cancer. Fortunately, he was able to see her a few days ago but, now she is gone. She was the person who was responsible for most of his growing period and apparently did a fine job with her grandson whose birth parents had other things to go with their lives. My sympathy is extended to the senator and his family.

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    SoAzNative wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:43 AM:

    " What a shame. While most of you are hurling insults at eachother we've missed the opportunity to elect the first QUALIFIED African American to the highest office in the land. I'm an in the box conservative that would have eagerly voted for Obama if he was actually prepared for the job. So much racism from the left, so much fear on the right, now this immense opportunity has been handed to a very inexperienced and unknown Senator form Chicago of all places. The only hand to play for me is to support our new President and hope for the best. "

    Hmmm wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:09 PM:

    " The reps are running and America has spoken! The repubican party has split into two factions, which are the conservatives and the non-conservatives. Stevens lost and now the Dems may pick up MN too! "

    The child speaks wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:06 PM:

    " The child speaks. nanny nanny boo boo. I won and you lost. Quite the grown up there Hmmm. "

    Hmmm wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:40 AM:

    " Liberals won and the repubicans lost!!! Good job America way to vote out the fake Americans! God Bless! "

    Proud Liberal wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:28 PM:

    " Um, "B" quick question: while critiquing my spelling, did it ever occur to you that "again" isn't spelled "aagain." Generally speaking, you look silly nit picking other people's posts when yours has glaring errors. And what pray tell is your degree in? "

    Proud Liberal wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:21 PM:

    " Editors: Apparently you can use html formatting tags, which is how I got the bold and italics to happen. I figured I'd try it in asking a question because the formatting shows up looking really weird if the back end doesn't support it. It's fairly common for forums but I've never seen anybody else use it before.
    EDITOR'S NOTE: Thanks, we'll pass your comment on to our web master. "

    S Brackett wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:31 PM:

    " How do expect fellow americans to work, live within thier means and not over extend themselves on credit when Congress and the government set that example. Quit giving people credit that shouldn't have it, downsize your business "entitlements", quit buying things that are beyond you're means. This will never happen as long as people think the goverment will come in and help. They need a long term solution. And as extremme as it sounds-population needs to be controled. If you can afford the children you have and need food stamps and Wic to feed them maybe you shoundn't be havingthem.Beresponsiblepeople. "

    B wrote on Nov 17, 2008 4:31 PM:

    " Geez, when you don't understand something and cannot respond, you dismiss it, ignore it, and retreat to insult. I can get that from Rush Limbaugh dittoheads! They too are content to retreat to the party line and parrot the script. I had hoped for some discussion, not pro forma ideology. Oh, well that is the common refuge of the profanum vulgus. Oh, and it's "Ad Hominem" (not "Hominiem" as you posted.) "

    Proud Liberal wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:29 PM:

    " Geez, you should seriously consider changing your screen name to "Non Sequitur."
    Which brings me to a question...editors, can you use formatting html tags on this forum? As in Non Sequitur or Ad Hominiem...Just wondering.
    EDITOR'S NOTE: We are told the answer to your question is no. "

    B wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:15 PM:

    " Oh, by the way Proud Liberal:
    In your last post, you misspelled "pseudo" as "psuedo." And when you stated "which is what I was referring to", you incorrectly ended a sentence with a preposition. And your usage "me and all my friends" should be "my friends and I." I'm curious as to what program you claim your "degree." Obviously, it required more pseudo than intellectual... "

    B wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:20 PM:

    " Proud Liberal
    Thanks for starting off your post with a poor attempt at an insult - and with aagain eluding the point. You obviously never read the book. Objectivism gives precedence to the external rather than self. It is a literal modality that allows authors to interpret their perspectives employing fictional characters outside of themselves. Again, I don't know how this relates to economics and moral equivilancy, and you're ducking the discussion. Put aside your party line and ego so we can talk. I'm not having much success ducking your platitudinal thrusts in the absence of meaning. "

    Geez wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:26 AM:

    " To psuedo-intellectual "Liberal". You left but you still read the local OYM. That's logical. "

    Proud Liberal wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:07 AM:

    " B, do you even KNOW what objectivism is? No, you don't. It's the crappy philosophy that Rand pushes in her books, which is what I was referring to. Jeez, read up. I love all the psuedo-intellectuals on this board. Reminds me why me and all my friends left as soon as we got the degree. "

    B wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:13 PM:

    " I agree with Langer as well. Support the local businessperson who shows integrity and awareness of their community and customers. We've had the gas issue raised for at least 15 years and no local, state, nor federal government help has been proferred. It is sad that this business was protested and the people who did it probably did not bother to try and understand all the issues. "

    B wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:08 PM:

    " Proud Liberal
    I guess you let the point of "Atlas Shrugged" pass unnoticed over your head. Or you checked a like-minded website and got their spin. We're talking economic theory, not altruism. You want to tie making money into a moral equivilancy argument. Take from the rich and GIVE to the poor? When you've taken all of the money from the rich, then what? Think about this before you post an off-handed comment or a party line. "

    Winston Smith wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:03 AM:

    " I'm with Langer on this one. This guy is a small business who deerves our support. He has to buy from the spot market which will neveer be as cheap as the Company Owned Stations. I'll pay a few cents more to keep him in business "

    Dogbert wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:36 AM:

    " What a shame, if the financial collapse had come six months later people might believe Obama had something to do with it, instead of eight years of Republican greed and neglect. Never the less Limbaughs parrots repeat his lines.
    They don't understand that he is a professional whiner, they are just followers "

    Proud Liberal wrote on Nov 14, 2008 6:35 AM:

    " I read Atlas Shrugged. So the moral is to just act in your own best interest and helping others are stupid? Since altruisim is so bad, guess that Golden Rule guy was a real dolt, huh. You people do realize that many people who need handouts do work underpaying jobs o are sick, right? I find it highly ironic that the party that is so anti-abortion is the same one that supports so little the children or people with screenable disabilities once they are brought into this world. That's savage, IMHO. "

    Langer wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:22 PM:

    " I keep reading about high gas prices in SV and a fine independent dealer who struggles to provide reasonable prices being badgered by protesters and I have a question for these folks. Do any of you live in Sierra Vista? If so, why aren't you spending your efforts getting your council members to enact an anti-gouging ordinance instead of just griping and harassing the one business in town that has no control over what he's charged for the gas he sells? Think about it. "

    To the Editor wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:13 PM:

    " It looks like you had the comments form working for two comments today on the Nov 12 OYM (http://svherald.com/articles/2008/11/12/opinion/on_your_mind/doc491a6147ae5e4675656021.txt) but it's down again. "

    B wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:41 PM:

    " When the people of a democratic form of government realize they can vote themselves money, the government will fail. I forget the author of that idea (it is not a direct quote), but it is true. If you have not read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, please do so before you embrace the economic policies of any government official. Would you rather work and save and strive for 150K a year, or let Uncle Sam guarantee you 50K a year without doing anything but taking from others? "

    To the editors wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:54 PM:

    " I would like to know why comment options have been removed from certain controversial letters? If it is to prevent arguments or fighting, why even publish these letters if you are going to censor or block feedback or opinions?
    EDITOR'S NOTE: A new piece of software was implemented and for some reason it is blocking the comment option on some stories. We are working to fix it. "

    hummer wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:37 PM:

    " The jury is still out. He's already reneged on his promise not to increase taxes of those who make less than $250K. We'll see what promises he's capable of keeping. Protection of our freedoms and Constitution is a given. This is what any American would expect from our leadership; however, selectively protecting some freedoms and only some of our Bill of Rights and Constitutional rights is not protection of our freedoms and our Constitution. If he truly leads from the Center I trust he will do well, if he panders to the left and to Corporate lobbyist, nothing will change. "

    Liberal Savages wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:30 AM:

    " Hmmm...I can guarantee you there will NOT be "equality and protection" with liberals in full control of the schools, the media, the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Presidency. It's the same thing as your "tolerance". Only those who have viewpoints that agree with your liberal politics will be granted "equality and protection". The Chicago style strong arm politics of Obama and his supporters WILL be in full swing. Obama to his supporters- "Get in their face and argue with them". Equality and protection? Are you joking? Only for those who submit and capitulate. "

    hummer wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:19 AM:

    " To the Editor: if you look at "Bail out the auto industry?", "On Your Mind – 12 Nov 08"; and probably others you will notice that there is no comment text box or "post comment" button to use for posting comments. Thanks.
    EDITOR'S NOTE: Thank you for giving us the information and we are working on the problem. "

    Liberal Savages wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:10 AM:

    " Equality and protection of our freedoms and constitution??? Freedom of Religion- Without having militant liberals disrespect your God and your religion by throwing condoms around your church. Freedom of speech- The right of an old woman to freely voice her opinion without being roughed up by radical liberals and having her cross stomped on. America voted for change, not liberal extremism. Obama supporters could not even name what change he would bring. All Obama did was tell people what they wanted to hear, we were wooed by vague empty promises. You'll all see soon what Obama's about. "

    To editor wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:38 AM:

    " Several pages, including the article about the bone marrow drive, the most recent OYM, and many other pages are missing the comment box. The text "Write a Comment" appears, along with instructions, but the submission box and verification and the means to submit are missing. It's a shame, because I have the answer to the questions from the comments section of the bone marrow drive page, but cannot answer them.
    EDITOR'S NOTE: Thank you for alerting us to the problem. We will have our webmaster look at what is happening. "

    Hmmm wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:52 PM:

    " If equality and protection of our freedoms and Constitution, which is what Obama stands for is extremist according to liberal savages, then the majority of America who voted for Obama must be extremists! Amen, I guess I am one of them. Liberal savages is an american savage who insults the left with no concept or understanding of the democratic process. Obama will lead this country out of the debt bush put us in. He will bring back the dignity of the US that bush has lost. We will be a better united world and country! God Bless President Obama! "

    Langer wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:31 PM:

    " Is SVH intolerant of our opinions now? I notice the comment boxes are gone from all today's pages that I've read so far, but earlier comments are on the pages. What's up SVH?
    EDITOR'S NOTE: We are not sure what you are referencing. Can you specify the story(ies) you are saying have this problem? Thanks. "

    B wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:29 PM:

    " Here is what the de facto definition of tolerance has become: You will accept my views and lifestyle over your own ethics and faith. I will sue you to supress your views, but I will petition the courts to make mine the law of the land. I will force you to accept the teaching of my values to your children beginning in pre-school. I will shout you down, call you names, and harrass you not only if you disagree with me, but if you don't openly agree with me and accept me as well. "

    B wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:18 PM:

    " Reader-
    You are correct in one sense, but with a caveat...MANY people here post wild assertions and unsubstantiated opinions here and treat them as fact. They should link to reputable news sources when making a statement. However, MANY also post opinion sites and extreme political organizations as their "source." In that sense, you are very correct that it is a waste of cyberspace to link to a rant page as "proof" that your view is valid. Also, some people post here multiple times with different user names. I, and they, know who they are. "

    Dilbert wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:18 AM:

    " I blew that picture up as far as I could, it sure looks like a Police officer standing in line oveer the shoulder of the Bank Robber "

    Liberal Savages wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:11 AM:

    " Hmmm... I'd also like to address your assersion that the name "liberal savages" is intolerant.
    2 points-
    1) Calling something for what it is, is NOT "intolerant". These people acted like savages. It is not "intolerant" to call this for what it is.
    2) I NEVER said that I was a supporter of your "tolerance" movement. I do not tolerate many things. Hitler, Stalin, the KKK and militant homosexuals. You and your liberal freinds do however imply that you adhere to this tolerance thing. That's your problem. You don't practice tolerance, you push tolerance. "

    To Hmmm wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:11 AM:

    " To Hmmm, you are the one to talk. You insult those who disagree with you, you categorize all Republicans and conservatives as bigots and racists. To here you lecture someone on intolerance is a joke. "

    Liberal Savages wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " Hmmm... Yes, the voters did vote for change but the change they will get is not a "nation united" like Obama promised. What we have really voted for is leftist extremist indoctrination. One that uses force and intimidation in order to gain capitulation and submission from all who disagree. All of these goings on right now (before Obama is even in the White House) is proof of that. "

    Hmmm wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:22 AM:

    " Liberal savages your name alone spews intolerance. People misbehave on both sides of the fence. To think that a liberal ideology causes caos and terror as you suffest is simply wrong and shows your lack of understanding on what liberalism is. The bush administration created terror by invading Iraq under false pretense. He lied to the American people to revenge his Daddy's failures. Palin's downfall was her corrupt practices in Alaska. The republicans fell on their own sword through their own actions. America recognized this and voted them out of office. "

    Dilbert wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:51 PM:

    " Anyone see this picture of the Bank Robber from Snottsdale http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/11/20081111sr-bankrobber1112ON.html#comments
    Look behind the robber in the express line, isn't that a Policeman. "

    Liberal Savages is RIGHT wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:32 PM:

    " Mount Hope, for the record, is an evangelical, bible believing church whose members provide free 24 hour counseling, prayer lines, catastrophic care for families dealing with medical emergencies, support groups for men, women and children dealing with a wide variety of life's troubles,....
    This is what Michigan liberals label a "radical right wing establishment," and over 30 of them showed up in force yesterday. Wearing secret-service style ear pieces and microphones they received the "go" from their ringleader and off they went.
    This happened 11-9-08 in Lansing, Michigan.
    http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2008/11/10/13335/904 "

    Larry Talbot wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:00 PM:

    " To those who are still fighting the election, forget it. Responding to irrelevant arguments is self defeating.
    OK so who was the most decortated American Soldier in World War I..? "

    Reader wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:02 PM:

    " If you posters think that us readers, copy and paste all you dumb links because you don't have enough intelligence to state your opinion without linking it to something, your wrong again. "

    Liberal Savages is RIGHT wrote on Nov 11, 2008 6:39 PM:

    " Suppose you were sitting in church one Sunday peacefully minding your own business, praying that God grant our new president the wisdom to do what is right when suddenly, the sanctity of the church is violated in the most horrific way by vandals, thugs, and screaming lunatics.
    This is what happened at a small church in Lansing, MI called Mount Hope.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/worshippers_in_lansing_mi_assa.html "

    Liberal Savages wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:41 AM:

    " Read about the tolerance Obama supporters and other liberals show others who disagree with them.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80711 "

    Liberal Savages wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:26 AM:

    " Yes Hmmmm. Democrats are all about tolerance but they refuse to tolerate people who disagree with their twisted interpretation of what tolerance is. Tolerance means you tolerate views which differ from your own. This is why Democrats and liberals NEVER exercise tolerance. Yet they are more than willing to push "tolerance" on to everbody else. Liberals and Democrats are always quick to judge Christians and conservatives for not practicing what they preach yet they themselves never practice the tolerance that they push onto everybody else. Roughing up an old lady- that's REAL tolerance. "

    Hmmm wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:01 AM:

    " To Liberal savages - I am so glad that republicans never did anything wrong... Or well there was that girl just before the election that faked an attack on herself to try and blame dems... Under your ideology though it was probably the Dems fault... There are the numerous KKK Obama doll buringings in the south... But again under your ideology of we can't be wrong it was probably the Dems fault too. Liberal Savages you are simply pathetic. "

    Lil wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 PM:

    " Tomorrow is Veterans Day. To each and every Veteran, thank you for your service. I'm eternally grateful for your sacrifices on Veterans Day and every day. God bless you. "

    Liberal savages wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:48 PM:

    " To see how kind and open-minded Democrats and liberals are, and to see how eager they are to bring this nation back together once again, watch this video-

    http://www.kpsplocal2.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=undefined&clipId1=3115942&at1=News&h1=&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kpsplocal2.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp%3Fvt1%3Dv%26clipFormat%3Dundefined%26clipId1%3D3115942%26at1%3DNews%26h1%3D&rnd=70662683

    Beating old ladies is real cool. Yeah, this Obama change thing is working really well. "

    Huh wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 AM:

    " Also, tell me what "hate" you are talking about. The most hate I have seen in the past 8 years has been spewing from the left.- "Bush is an idiot", "Bush hates blacks". Unfairly labeling those with opposing views as Nazis, Limburgers, biggots and much worse. All because somebody DARES to have a dissenting view different from theirs. THIS my freind is hate. It's funny that the Democrats have promised to "bring this nation together" because I haven't see even one post on this OYM to indicate their followers are willing to reach out to conservatives. "

    Huh wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:03 AM:

    " It's time to "quit tolerating the intolerant"? Being tolerant by its very definitiona means you tolerate views you disagree with. If you quit tolerating the "intolerant" that makes you intolerant yourself. If you have made a decision to quit tolerating the "intolerant" then you cannot tolerate yourself, because you yourself have proved yourself to be intolerant. What the writer is really saying is that it is OK to be narrow minded toward others' points of view, but if those with opposing viewpoints dare disagree with him/her then they will be smeared and labeled as "intolerant". "

    hmmm wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:03 AM:

    " More christian schools. Yep, that will solve the current problem. Instead of teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic, we will have schools teaching the closed minded belief that their version of Faith if the only true faith. Yep, that will solve a lot of problems we have today. Good call! "

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