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Judge says school district’s override vote can move forward

Sides present arguments; residents don’t know if they’ll appeal decision

By Katie Evans
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 - 05:22:09 am MST

BISBEE — Superior Court Judge James Conlogue’s ruling during a court hearing Tuesday means the Sierra Vista school district’s 9 percent override can remain on the ballot for the Nov. 4 election.

The ruling was on a lawsuit filed on behalf of Tony Wenc and Ron Murray by their attorney, Sidney Kain, which listed Cochise County schools Superintendent Trudy Berry and the Sierra Vista school board as the defendants.

In the lawsuit, the two alleged the Sierra Vista school district failed to adopt and make public a budget for the 2009-2010 school year, and that it hasn’t provided a copy of such a budget to the state superintendent of schools, thus failing to meet the requirements necessary to pursue an override. They were requesting a preliminary injunction be granted until a final ruling was made.

In Tuesday’s ruling, Conlogue found the school district had done what was statutorily required of it to pursue an override, and that an adopted budget for the 2009-2010 school year was not necessary. In addition, Conlogue said there was an unreasonable delay in the plaintiff’s filing.


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During Tuesday’s two-hour hearing in the Division 5 chambers, Wenc took to the stand as the plaintiff’s sole witness. He testified that, in the first 21 days after the school board voted to pursue the override, which it did Aug. 5, he spent time researching the Arizona statues to look into the legality of the override, waiting for the school board minutes from the Aug. 5 meeting to be published online, in addition to discussing the override and the statutes with several other people.

“It didn’t seem like it was done right,” Wenc testified.

Wenc wrote a letter to Berry following those initial 21 days, which he sent certified mail, requesting she cancel the override election in Sierra Vista.

Berry later testified she cannot cancel an election based on a letter from a constituent.

While being questioned by Civil Deputy County Attorney Candice Pardee, Wenc said he did not believe a proposed budget if the override passed, and an alternative if it did not, was presented by Sierra Vista school district Business Manager Michelle Quiroz during an override presentation Aug. 5.

“No, not in my opinion,” he said. “Depends on your definition of a budget … she threw generalities together on what would be and what wouldn’t be.”

He also testified he never approached the district to request to see an 2009-2010 proposed budget if the override passed and an alternative budget if the override failed.

As far as generating a 2009-2010 budget, Quiroz testified there was no way to adopt such a budget and said district officials developed a proposed budget based on estimations done by looking at the district’s five-year history in areas such as attendance, expenditures, etc., as no numbers nor forms are available for developing next year’s budget.

Another defense witness, Lyle Friesen with the Arizona Department of Education, explained how school districts are funded. She said that in order for a school district to draw up a budget for the 2009-2010 school year, they would have to use estimates.

“The numbers are not available and the forms are not available for developing a budget,” Friesen said.

Michael Cafiso, an attorney who represents political subdivisions on various financial issues, testified as a witness for the defense. He had provided legal advice to the Sierra Vista school district as it began the process of pursuing an override.

Cafiso, who said he works with school districts on about three or four overrides each year, said he provided district officials with the same advice he gives to every school district that pursues an override.

School board president Connie Johnson also was a defense witness during Tuesday’s hearing. When questioned by Pardee, she testified as to why she felt the override was necessary, talking about in 2003 when the district had to make cuts similar to what it faces now if the new override fails.

“It was very, very painful to see that happen,” Johnson said, describing cuts that included art, music, counselors and librarians. She said as she reviewed the information presented to her prior to the Aug. 5 meeting regarding the possibility of pursuing a new override “in my mind there was nothing to do but go for the override.”

When questioned by Kain, Johnson testified she did not ask any questions of the proposed budget and alternative budget presented to her in the Aug. 5 meeting before voting to have the override put on the ballot.

During final arguments by the attorneys, Kain said the school board did not have a proposed budget in place that exceeded the aggregate budget, as needed to pursue an override.

He argued that to adopt a budget after an override vote and provide a public hearing at that point is “simply lip service.”

Pardee’s argument stated that A.R.S. 15-905, the one that requires the board to provide a proposed budget for each school year, “is placed into effect after voters have decided they are going to pass the override or deny the override.”

“The school district is not required to do that prior to the adoption,” she said.

Kain countered that “it calls for public input into the initial preparation.”

“What the school district did is wrong,” he said.

Following the arguments, Conlogue said that what the school board is asking voters to determine is whether the district can exceed its aggregate budget.

“Voters are not called upon to adopt a specific budget,” he said. “The district is in no way required to have a specific budget.”

Conlogue then ruled the district followed statute and denied the request for an injunction.

In addition, he ruled the plaintiffs had unreasonably delayed their filing.

“The delay was unreasonable and requires a decision in this condensed format,” he said.

Following the hearing, Johnson said she was “just happy that the override is going on as scheduled.”

“The citizens certainly have the right to decide,” she said.

In a phone interview later in the day, Superintendent Brett Agenbroad said he was “pleased with the outcome at this point.”

“Of course I’m in agreement with the judge’s decision,” he said. “I think he reads A.R.S (15-481) the same way that the area experts that we’ve consulted read it.”

Wenc felt it was a bad decision.

“If you’re voting to allow an increase on a budget, you obviously must have a budget to increase,” Wenc said. “In this case they never had a budget to present to the public.”

Wenc said he felt Conlogue ruled the way he did to “prevent embarrassment” to the school district.

Wenc and Murray have 30 days to appeal the ruling, Murray said, but they had not yet decided whether they would. Wenc said he was not sure it would be necessary.

“I don’t think this override is going to pass,” he said of the override.

Herald/Review reporter Katie Evans can be reached at 515-4611 or by e-mail at katie.evans@svherald.com.



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    to taxed out wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:51 AM:

    " It's a simple matter of math, really. Divide our budget, 38M, by the number of students, 7000. The answer is around $5400.00 per pupil BEFORE you subtract out maintenance and administrative costs, which drive this figure lower.
    I am sorry that the misinformation you read caused you to vote no (though I suspect that wasn't the cause given the tenor of your comment).
    Those are the facts, you can choose to ignore them if you wish. "

    Taxed Out wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:01 PM:

    " Reading the Goldwater Institute's Policy Report, A Guide to Understanding State Funding of Arizona Public School Students, is interesting. They say that the average per-pupil funding in Arizona at the latest time numbers were available was between $8,500 and $9,000. If you want to see the current numbers for SVSD, go to the Institute's web site. You may be surprised. When I saw how much is provided versus what we have been told, it cinched my NO vote. Of course, we can always throw money at the district to make ourselves frrl good without actually improving education. "

    reality wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:34 PM:

    " The case was thrown out because it lacked merit. Look at Wenc's response: "it just didn't seem right." Well sorry Wenc, it was right. What a sorry group of people. "

    me three wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:13 AM:

    " I'm with "joe sixpack" and "me too." I'm looking forward to voting NO on the override. Enrollment is down, but the district keeps coming after more money anyway. It makes zero sense to approve a tax increase for a non-existent budget. Could it be that the district will just adjust the budget to get the amount of extra tax they want? "

    a mess wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:38 PM:

    " Let's see, first the district says it has no budget because no forms are availble. But then the story states "[Johnson] did not ask any questions of the proposed budget and alternative budget presented to her in the Aug. 5 meeting before voting to have the override put on the ballot."
    So there were apparenlty budgets, privy only to board members. Good idea, have secret budgets for only 5 people, and have the defense the public should know about them and have to make requests to see them. Bad ruling by the judge. "

    Not a chance wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:16 PM:

    " Looks like Obama is getting elected. We're going to need all the bucks we can keep just to pay his big tax hikes. This family will be voting no. That gives you no voters 2 more on your side. "

    me too wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:28 PM:

    " I'm with joe sixpack. I will vote NO on the override. I've had to cut back bigtime. So what's with this school system. Seems that they could cut back as well. These are tough times. "

    lib judge wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:08 PM:

    " conlogue NEVER ran for relection. This is the first year he will ever appear on a ballot. He has always been a pro-tem APPOINTED judge. For some odd reason, the Republicans didn't run anyone against him in the primary. Instead 2 republicans fought each other in the primary to run against democrat Littrell. That makes as much as sense as asking voters to increase taxes to vote on a budget noone has seen. "

    Sue wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:12 PM:

    " Why doesn't the district sue Murray and Wenc? All of the time and money that its cost them. I live in the same subdivision as Murray and all he does is read something and then what he believes it says is gospel and everyone else is wrong. I've seen him tell lawyers that they aren't interpreting it right as if he knows. At the homeownvers, we know that to vote correctly it is 180 degrees from what he thinks. IN short, however he votes, we vote the other way. "

    Time to Vote wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:01 PM:

    " Heading home tonight. Going to do two things.
    1....watch the debate.
    2....fill out my ballot, making sure to vote NO on the override.

    Joe sixpack "

    Mark C. wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:26 PM:

    " Support our children, support our future, vote YES to give our kids the funding they need. "

    Children first wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:23 PM:

    " All the Wenc's in the world won't change the fact that we need to put our children first. VOTE YES!!!! "

    To Lib Judge wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:17 PM:

    " You need to get your facts correctly. He ran for re-election and won easily. He was not re-appointed. My guess is this is the method that all opponents to the override use which is incorrect information to scare people. And once again the great team of Murray and Wenc proved to be wrong. I think the district should sue Murray and Wenc for the cost of this to include salaries. And how about pain and suffering. Maybe if you hit their pocketbook they will think twice about stupid suits. "

    Catch 22 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:22 PM:

    " Lets see. If they hadn't tried to get a remedy through the District and County Superintedents, which they did, then the judge would have ruled they should have and denied the injunction. That took time and delayed filing a suit. Now the judge rules they were not timely in thier complaint and the district follwed the law. An interpretation of AZ law that basically amounted to rewriting the statute governing overrides. The law only favors those with the power to take from citizens. We can vote the override down and then vote on it again and again and again. "

    Voting Yes wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:20 PM:

    " I voted YES, so I guess I cancelled out I knew it's vote!! "

    Legal Beagals wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:50 PM:

    " Let's see now. The semi legal team of Wenc and Murray keep going to court and loosing. They lost this case. On the last override, they lost at the local level, at the appeals court, and the supreme court refused to hear the case. Of course they and their allies are blaming the judges. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it. Everyone else is always wrong and they are always right. WEll based on loosing this case it has made me question their facts and motive so I just voted yes. "

    Enough already wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:38 AM:

    " First we get hit with the huge tax mistake from the school board. Then the decrease in our 401 (k)'s, then another override, then the SSVEC huge fee increase, and now the city wants to increase the taxes by sliding in a new franchise fee with the Southwest Gas franchise. Enough already. I'm voting NO on the override and the SW Gas franchise fee fiasco, which is not a lot different from the school tax fiasco. When will it stop? "

    JM wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:22 AM:

    " So submit a DETAILED funding request based on an estimated budget - that's how other public agencies get their money. We understand that its based on estimates and that things can pop-up - that's what emergency funding is for. Is Ms. Berry naive enough to think we'll vote to give the schools more money without knowing where it's going? "

    conservative judge wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:23 AM:

    " I have to laugh at people that write in when a judge makes a decision they don't like and call the judge liberal. Judge Conlogue strictly interpreted and followed the law as it is written in both this case and the Barnett matter. That makes him a conservative judge in my book becuase he is not trying to use his position to reach a decision he personaly supports. If you don't like the law then work with your legilature and change it. A good judge is bound by it and there aren't many good judges. "

    Common sense wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:22 AM:

    " Voters please keep this funding in place. If you vote no, you will get a tiny reduction in tax. But thousands of children will be negatively affected. Please support education in your community. That is the best investment we can make in our community. "

    Iconoclast wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:11 AM:

    " If the posts made about the override are an example of the stupidity (or confusion) of many voters (example: this is not a tax increase) then some concerted and organized effort to provide facts and figures needs to take place to defeat this override. Are Murray and Wenc going to do anything to mobilize opposition to the override? If this override succeeds, it will be cast in stone far into the future. A defeat could result in serious reconsideration of how "education" is defined and provided in the future. It's a worthy battle - who leads? "

    J. Skarhus wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:19 AM:

    " Of course, those of you who oppose the override will do anything to keep it from passing. The district clearly followed the law and this decision vindicates their decision. Now we can let the voters decide. SV voters turned one down and didn't like the effects of this decision, so they passed the next one, which has clearly benefitted the students of our district. I am confident that the members of our community who value quality public education, as I do, will outnumber those who only value lower taxes. PLEASE VOTE YES FOR OUR SCHOOLS. "

    KT wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:11 AM:

    " This ruling speaks volumns about the character of Judge Conlogue. He doesn't have the fortitude to go against the crowd. "

    Rumor wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:56 AM:

    " I heard that if the override fails that one of the elementary schools will be shut down and the students reallocated to other schools within the district. Sounds like a great plan to me - do it now and save us further pillaging of our hard-earned dollars! Before I get flamed: I have kids in the district – in band even. Gasp! Could it be that principle should win out over all? YES! "

    Concerned Citizen wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:38 AM:

    " Liberal judge, liberal school district. All this district wants is to throw money at their problems to try and fix it. Remember how they got the last override to pass, and lets not forget their so called 4 million dollar mistake, that cost us more on our taxes too. VOTE NO on this, lets make the school district held accountable for their out of control spending. "

    I knew it wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:08 AM:

    " Not a problem. I just marked my mail-in ballot this morning with a big giant NO! Nice try Tony, but the system was against you from the get-go. I know there are a bunch of folks out there who are on your side. "

    lib judge wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:56 AM:

    " Is this any surprise? Look at the decision rendered in cConlogue's court against Barnett. This is a liberal judge. In this case the goal was to protect the school district at all costs. Napalitno reappointed this guy. "

    OK Voters wrote on Oct 15, 2008 6:53 AM:

    " It's up to us, once again, to put this thing in the ground. Vote NO! "

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