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County not responsible for many washed out roads

By Shar Porier
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Monday, Aug 04, 2008 - 01:19:29 pm MST

BISBEE — Problem roads like High Knoll exist throughout the county.

Though Cochise County is dry most of the year, when the monsoon comes roads, whether paved or dirt, can turn into a muddy mess and can restrict ingress and egress as washes become raging torrents of floodwater.

Last year, the concrete spillway across a massive wash was obliterated by flood waters stranding some of the 60 families living off High Knoll Road. For days the only way to cross was to risk life and limb by wading and climbing over huge slabs of concrete. Or they could trust that one of the four-wheel drive ATV’s residents offered to help their neighbors to cross through the mud, sand and powerful flood waters would make it, as reported in the Herald/Review on Aug. 5, 2007.

While High Knoll has been a rather high-profile case of the problems people have in keeping up their roads, or lack thereof, the county is not required to help bring private or “dedicated to the public” roads up to a traversable status. No money can be spent on such roads until they are brought up to county standards, pointed out Benny Young, director of the Cochise County Highway and Floodplain Department in an interview.



The county already has to stretch limited funds to try to keep public roads safe and traversable. Highway User Revenue Funds (HURF) from the state cannot meet the estimated $9 million and more needed to maintain, resurface and rehabilitate around 1,500 miles of county maintained roads, Young said.

Of those 1,500 miles of roads, 600 miles are paved and 900 miles remain dirt. Of the 900 miles of dirt roads, 550 miles are primitive roads used by the public which were grandfathered in in 1975. There are some 3,000 miles of roads not county maintained, but used by the public, he explained.

“And we not only have no duty to maintain those roads, we do not have the authority to do so,” he added.

So for High Knoll and others like it, the residents must take it upon themselves to grade and repair such roads and deal with drainage.

Though Young was not sure how the county estimate of $1 million to bring the road up to county standards was reached, as stated by Neal Galt, a High Knoll resident and spokesman, the sum sounded about right when the all-weather crossing is factored in. Residents could form a road improvement district to deal only with that crossing for now. But, Young thought a bridge long enough to make a secure and safe crossing would cost around $500,000. He’s not sure the Bailey Bridge that Galt and other residents are researching would be a feasible idea for that particular crossing.

The residents could also choose a less expensive option of installing culverts and then covering them with concrete, he added. That would allow access most of the time, but during heavy rain or flooding events they still could be in the same situation of not being able to cross the huge wash.

“We’d be glad to sit down and talk with them about an all-weather crossing. And set up a project that could be done in phases,” Young said. “We just haven’t had the chance to do that.”

District 1County Supervisor Pat Call said, “There are many, many road issues in the 6,200 square miles of this county. However, I would put High Knoll Road in the top 10 list for the most serious and the most difficult (expensive) to address.”

Galt contacted Call, saying he got no response from Supervisor Paul Newman, who represents District 2, which contains High Knoll Road.

“That’s when I became directly involved,” Call said. “I’ve supplied names and addresses of property owners in the High Knoll area to facilitate Mr. Galt pulling together a community group to deal with the issue. I facilitated a meeting with (Bureau of Land Management) to explore the possibility of using an emergency route through the riparian area. And, finally, I have offered to speak with members of the community to explore the realities of the issue, limitations and possible solutions.”

One of the problems Call sees right now is getting as many community members involved as possible.

“It is a very diverse community and, apparently, getting them together is proving difficult,” he added.

But, a greater obstacle lies with the BLM and Department of the Interior who now say High Knoll Road belongs to the federal government, and no right of way for an access road to the development was granted. Call is helping to research that issue.

Call offered this advice to prospective buyers: “If the road is not a county-maintained road, then the obvious due diligence for a buyer would be to determine whether  there is legal access (either private or public) to the property. And don’t take anything for granted. Research it. If the road is not maintained by the county, don’t assume it will be someday ... regardless of what you are told.

“Lastly, if it is a non-maintained dirt road, you can assume that, sooner or later, it will have maintenance issues — possibly very serious issues, particularly during our monsoon season.”

As for buyers who say they were not informed about non-county maintained roads leading to their land, as Galt contends, Arizona Statute 33-422 is very clear as to the obligation and duty of sellers and Realtors to disclose a great deal of information about land purchased.

The status of roads outside of city limits and in rural areas must be disclosed according to the statute in the form of an affidavit from the seller to the buyer. This document addresses issues including legal access, road maintenance, floods and floodplains, zoning deficiencies and more. It lets the buyer know what to expect when the land is purchased, according to the Arizona Association of Realtors Web site. The buyer also is required to sign it affirming these issues are acknowledged.

Brokers and real estate agents must inform the buyer, or the state sees it as a “breech of duty” and they would be held liable for any damages, warns the AAR Web site.

Mary Utley, public information officer for the Arizona Department of Real Estate, noted that even though updates to the statute have been made over the years, affidavits of disclosure concerning roadways, floodplains and other important information have been required by the seller for over 20 years.

David Greenberg has been in the land business for 30 years and knows the importance of the disclosure affidavit. Now working as the general manager of the RE/MAX office in Bisbee in addition to his LANDMAN realty company, the broker/agent emphasized in an interview, “We do disclose the condition and accessibility of roads — several times in the process. We are required to do so by Arizona law. We tell them if it’s a county maintained road or non-county maintained road and whether or not the road is passible for emergency vehicles.”

Greenberg related an incident in which a dissatisfied buyer went before the Cochise County Board of Supervisors and “swore up and down” that the Realtor had lied and told him a road was county maintained. Greenberg was the Realtor and attended the meeting with the man’s signed contract and required signed affidavit of disclosure. It clearly stated it was not a county maintained roadway. He showed it to the supervisors at the end of the meeting.

“Sometimes they just forget or sometimes they just lie,” added Greenberg. “It’s too bad for the people of High Knoll. I know it’s a bad road. Still, it’s hard to feel sorry for them. They have had 20 years to set up a road maintenance fund.”

As an aside, Greenberg remembered a dam had been proposed on the San Pedro River near High Knoll around 30 years ago. The 15-mile lake that would have resulted from building the dam would also have offered lake views to the development now known as High Knoll. Environmental and ecological concerns halted the proposal.




What Arizona's law says:

“A seller of five or fewer parcels of land, other than subdivided land, in an unincorporated area of a county and any subsequent seller of such a parcel shall furnish a written affidavit of disclosure to the buyer, at least seven days before the transfer of the property, and the buyer shall acknowledge receipt of the affidavit.

“The seller shall record the executed affidavit of disclosure at the same time that the deed is recorded. The county recorder is not required to verify the accuracy of any statement in the affidavit of disclosure. A subsequently-recorded affidavit supercedes any previous affidavit.

“If access to the parcel is not traversable by emergency vehicles, the county and emergency service providers may not be held responsible for any damage resulting from the inability to traverse the access to provide needed services.”

— excerpts from Arizona Revised Statute 33-422




Herald/Review reporter Shar Porier can be reached at 515-4692 or by e-mail at shar.porier@bisbeereview.net.



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    Miller Canyon Res. wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:37 PM:

    " I guess I'm slower than the average bear - I'm still confused. If the debris is such a big problem to EVERY resident in that area why is it so hard to get EVERY resident together to clear the road, or start a road maintenance fund? I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the small print of the contract that you signed when you purchased your home(s) it said that the road was not maintained by the county. Our road isn't maintained by the country that is why we have a HOA. "

    To Hey Miller wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:43 PM:

    " Clear you own road, it isn't a county maintained road, just as my driveway isn't. It got washed out, I bought some AB, and resurfaced it. "

    Deny responsibility wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:09 PM:

    " If the county isn't responsible for the roads, then why spend money to play in the dirt on the side of Ramsey and continue to make it worse each year? "

    Hey Miller wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:37 PM:

    " No one is complaining about the darn washes running I can't seem to get this fact through you everyones head, we are asking for help to clear the road when it gets washed out!! debris from all the illegal dumping (yeah we know about that too) all the rocks too heave for us to move and all the trees that block our way, we are not asking for a road a bridge or a canoe just some help clearing the road so we can pass!!!!! "

    Miller Canyon Res. wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:33 PM:

    " I want to jump on the poor me band wagon. We bought a home on Miller Canyon Road, well aware of the fact that the creek runs through our property. Who do we get to complain to if th creek floods? "

    to the sensitive Jesse wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:31 PM:

    " SOOOOOOOOOOOO let me get this straight..... disasters hit all over the world and we send money out to aid because they didn't plan on their mud huts to go but we get some tax paying US Citizens whose road washed out and you are telling me it's my fault for not forseeing this??? How old are you? Under 12 with that type of reasoning "

    w wrote on Aug 15, 2008 4:33 PM:

    " i dunno about u all but if i ever wanted to get medical attention i wouldn't live out in the sticks. i would live in town so EMTs could get to me or so i could get to them in a reasonable amount of time. sounds like poor planning on the part of those residents. i hate it when people wanna play the vitctim all the time... "

    Jesse wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:45 PM:

    " Wow, a lake would have been awesome. Darn environmentalists. Oh yeah to the High Knoll Road people.... Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. "

    John wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:45 AM:

    " People should do their homework, before moving in, they should know the flood plains, the area, and costs involved, what's your responsibility, and whats not. Seriously, why does everybody want our tax dollars to bail them out, whenever they make mistakes. "

    jack wrote on Aug 14, 2008 8:38 AM:

    " If property owners along non-county maintained roads were to spend an hour a week filling in pot-holes and clearing drainage ditches, they would have good roads. If they chipped in $0.25 a day into a fund, they would have operating capital for gravel and other needs. "

    Oh and as for Newman wrote on Aug 13, 2008 4:21 PM:

    " Supervisor Paul Newman is running for AZ Corp Commission. Vote him into that job so he's outa here. An inactive commissioner is a good thing; an inactive supervisor -- not so good. "

    Me Neither wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:16 AM:

    " The county owns the road, but doesn't have the money to pay for it. I understand, no problem. I own my my house and 5 acres, but sorry about the weeds and 24" grass, I can't afford to pull every tumbleweed or tow away every junk car. And there's nothing in my buyers contract saying I'm responsible for the upkeep. "

    cam wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:55 PM:

    " HK, tell you what, we can take all the money that was used to put up a 4 way stop at Ramsey and Moson, all the traffic cams, any 1 of the 4 stop lites between Young Block and the Food City interchange, and the new walkway around hiway 90 by pass and the currently new sidewalks along the hiway 92 south of SV for the road! OR, how abot the new 4 lane hiway 191??? "

    curious wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:36 PM:

    " Yes, HURF is Highway User Revenue Fund - it is captured at the state level through gas tax. It also is used to buy gasoline that is put into the trucks and cars that county workers take home every night - and stop at Safeway, the post office, etc after 5pm. So maybe if the BOS would clean up that waste and abuse there would be a few extra $$$ for some of the roads. "

    George Walsh wrote on Aug 5, 2008 6:09 AM:

    " Does anyone that lives in Arizona other then me know that roads are funded by HURF money which is a GAS TAX not a property tax. So to those saying that you pay taxes yes but your property taxes go for other things like schools and fire districts and the general fund. Not roads, this issue is a statewide issue as many county officials do not even understand the statutes for roads. But most counties like Cochise county use the law the way is was intended and follows that law. The county I live in has not follow the law. "

    County Res wrote on Aug 5, 2008 6:01 AM:

    " I live on Calle Encina. We didn't ask for any help from the county on our privately maintained road. Because of a misinformed safety complaint, a drainage ditch that was engineered, constructed by property owners, and in place since 1995 was filled in by the county. The county spent thousands of dollars on surveying, heavy equipment, and personnel. The people on High Knoll are also complaining that their wash crossing is a safety hazard. Why is the county harrassing the people on Calle Encina but not doing anything about REAL safety issues? "

    Rural Resident wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:50 AM:

    " To:azdave, do you realy believe every thing you read especialy from some one in the county? To maintain a dirt road as the current county does all they use is a motor grader to blade it smooth. The current cost by a contractor is $105 to $120 per hour and you can do a lot more than a mile in an hour. No one was saying to make the county chip seal all the roads, just maintain them. Also it does not cost $6,000 a mile to maintain a road. We do this for a living "

    you gotta be kidding wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:39 PM:

    " To Mae: You can't be serious! You actually believe the county should stop issuing building permits to folks on private roads? Do you have any idea how many people in this county live on private roads? Besides, AZ law limits a county's ability to regulate lot splitting, better known as wildcatting. They can't force you to pave your road, nor can they deny a building permit because you didn't follow subdivision rules. OTOH, you think the county has an obligation to maintain all private roads, just because they issued a building permit. With what money?? "

    azres wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:19 PM:

    " to survivor: I hope you are not comparing the "drizzle" in Louisiana to a washed out road in Arizona. That drizzle was a flood that displaced an ENTIRE city. High Knoll residents have their homes, their cars, their lives...yes you were inconvenienced for a week, but the people in Louisiana are still being inconvenienced by that "drizzle" FEMA is for emergencies, not inconveniences "

    I know that wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:15 PM:

    " The county elected officials probally had good intention before being elected to their present jobs but have lost their focus. You're supposed to be trying to help the people of the county. Laws are good but you're supposed to be looking out for the residents. Where is all of the county money going to? I can't see where it's working for the people. "

    Survivor wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:59 PM:

    " It drizzles in Louisiana and they get Billions of dollars. It floods in Cochise County and our Supervisors sit on their hands. It is time to go to Homeland Security and FEMA. The County should be able to justify funds to fix drainage problems so first responders can get to our population in an emergency. "

    azdave wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:27 PM:

    " Either there is more than one person posting under the name Rural Resident, or there is some sort of multiple personality disorder at play here in this thread. My message was directed toward the person (or personality) that posted the message time stamped at 10:14 AM. "

    Foothills Ranch wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:24 PM:

    " To: High Knoll Resident
    …but I will not pay to give you improved roads. Stop blaming the county, and everyone else, and take responsibility for your own actions…. "

    Foothills Ranch wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:23 PM:

    " To: High Knoll Resident
    As part of our subdivision cost, we paid for improved paved roads as part of the infrastructure. These improved roads were subsequently turned over to the county as agreed to for maintenance. We read and asked questions about our CC&Rs, prior to closing on our house, and fully understood what was our costs for all aspects of our property and infrastructure. All of this is common sense, and part of being a responsible property owner. I will pay taxes to maintain roads you have put in.... "

    flooded wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:29 PM:

    " Don't expect the Pols and county buerocrats to help. All they really care about is feathering their own bed by tax collection and collecting fees. Very little will trickle down to the people who really need assistance. Alternative solutions by groups of individuals are the answer. "

    cam wrote on Aug 4, 2008 3:40 PM:

    " I hope the county officials read all the comments (from the original story) and read and abide by the laws. IF not, they open a can of worms to fix all non-county maintained roads, including ones in Hereford. Frankly, HK residnets, come over and see teh work done on Ramsey Road East and you won't WANT any help! Rec you work to fix your probelm out ther. BTW, why don't you come in from hiway 80? "

    High Knoll Resident wrote on Aug 4, 2008 3:18 PM:

    " It's funny how those who do not live here can be so caloused. We pay county taxes for ROAD MAINTENANCE. This is a fact. I am hoping the ELECTED officials will respect the wishes of the people to have a least one road made accessible for residents to come and go. "

    Rural Resident wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:25 PM:

    " I am echoing the sentiments of many county residents. If you choose build in a particularly remote area, then be prepared to be isolated from time to time. Isn't that why you moved out there? This road situation is just like the electric situation south of Tombstone. Don't buy and move out there expecting SSVEC or APS to bring power to you. "

    azdave wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:04 PM:

    " I should have mentioned that this is a far more informative and objective article than the one involving the interview with Mr. Galt. My thanks to Shar Porier for the follow-up. "

    azdave wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:02 PM:

    " To Rural Resident: Your posting indicates a severe lack of math reasoning skills. The article says it already costs $9 million to maintain the 1,500 miles of road the county already accepts responsibility for, and that there are an additional 3,000 miles of non-maintained roads used by the public. Simple math says trying to force Mr. Young to maintain all 4,500 miles would require about $27 million. Exactly how much salary do you think Mr. Young (or the entire Cochise County Highway Department for that matter) makes? Think before you post drivel. "

    Waaaa I want my babysitter wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:27 AM:

    " The county issues a permit to build and that automatically makes them responsible for your access to your property? A permit is saying YOU can go ahead with your plans, but it's up to you to work it out. All those who want the county to be responsible just because they issued a permit are basically saying individuals are not capable of reading fine print or thinking into the future and need the big government to babysit for them. "

    George Walsh wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:12 AM:

    " Roads are established using the Arizona revised statues, ARS 28-6701,6702 and 6703.
    Roads are maintained using ARS 28-6705 A and B depaending upon when the road became a county road in the county system.
    Now here in Apache County they have done away with all those silly statues and just take and fix and improve anyroad they want as long as there is a freind or relative living on it or has some property along it.Or if your a good ole boy they will just come and improve your road.No public meeting or hearing or anything. "

    Hello wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:57 AM:

    " Dahhhhhhhh!!!!! buyers should survey and check out the road situations before they purchase property. Blame yourselves. "

    Rural Resident wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:14 AM:

    " Mr. Young should be warned, if you keep making comments like the ones in this article, the people of Cochise County will can make you eat your words. All it takes is a vote by the people in Cochise county and you will maintain all roads. Sounds like a idea for the next election, and we can pay for it with a pay cut to your job. "

    Mae wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " I do not understand how a government that collects money to approve permits to build on roads should not be responible for the roads to and from those areas they approved for building on? Stop collecting money for permits and approving building in areas you do not want to responible to maintain it to be accessible. Sounds like the county wants it cake and eat it too. It is wrong for them not to maintain any area they approve for building, "

    High Knoll Resident wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:23 AM:

    " These folks claim to have attempted to set up a meeting??? Tell me when and where and I will be there along with 6 of our neighbooring families this is the first we have heard that someone has tried to bring us together to come up with solutions, truth is most of the folks out here live paycheck to paycheck and all we want is a passable road not paving or a bridge and we want an alternative way out in case of another emergency like the one where our neighboor died due to the wash being IMPASSABLE!!!!!!! "

    Whetstone wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:40 AM:

    " Way too many realtor's violate the law regarding disclosure, some on purpose and some through ignorance. The fact that the fine print is used to HIDE things is often taken as the buyer being told. A review of online multiple listings show obvious errors in property descriptions to include false statements regarding horses, CCR's, location, etc. I would group realtors, in general, with used car sales persons and politicians. Buyer Beware! "

    Oh Brother wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:10 AM:

    " Leave it to Pat Call, the "green" candidate, to come up with an option to destroy the riparian area. Especially since now we find out that High Knolls Road is already in trespass. "

    Gojkovich wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:09 AM:

    " Of course Cochise County is not responsible for alot of roads, I wish I wasn't responsible for alot of the taxes I pay to Cochise County! What do they do with our monies, anybodys guess! "

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