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High Knoll annoyance

Residents of flood-prone rural road frustrated by lack of help

By Shar Porier
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Monday, Jul 28, 2008 - 05:39:10 am MST

SIERRA VISTA — It seems no matter what the residents of High Knoll Road try to do to get help to fix their road through a deep wash, they hit a brick wall.

According to resident Neal Galt, volunteer spokesman for the community, back in the 1980s when the land off Highway 90 east of Sierra Vista began development, purchasers bought their little slices of heaven without knowing that the one-way-in, one-way-out road was not an official county-maintained road. Though deeds and plats indicate the developer dedicated a 50-foot right of way to the public in 1986, the county never adopted the road.

The developer, whose name was not known by Galt, had constructed a one-foot-thick concrete bridge over the vast wash that funnels floodwater to the San Pedro River.

“We didn’t have any problems with it for all this time. We knew that when it rained we could wait until the floodwaters subsided, and then we could cross,” said Galt, who has lived off High Knoll for 10 years.


On Sunday Neal Galt, left, and “Butch” Galt look at the slabs of concrete that until the summer rains of last year provided a crossing of a wide wash on High Knoll Road. At times, the condition of the road, during or after rains, has left residents of the area north of the wash stranded. (Vera Davis•Herald/Review)


But, last year the concrete bridge over the wash failed, destroyed by massive flooding that broke the one-foot thick concrete into pieces. The 60 or so people living on the north side of the wash were trapped for two days. Families who needed groceries or prescriptions and residents who needed to get to work were stuck. Finally, the water subsided enough for people to take their chances and ford the dangerous wash, just a matter of feet upstream of the destroyed concrete bridge, by foot or by four-wheel drive. Friends and relatives met them on the other side to carry them where they needed to go.

“There was no way in and no way out for us or emergency services,” added Galt. “We were lucky that no one needed the fire department or an ambulance. They probably would not have made it through the flood.”

Later as floodwaters subsided, grading contractor Young Block worked to build a makeshift road through the muck, mud and sand.

Since then Galt and other residents have been trying to get some help. They have gone to the county supervisors and highway department. No luck there since the county didn’t adopt the dedicated roadway because it was not up to county standards.

“They told me it would cost $1 million per mile,” added Galt. “How can 60 families afford millions of dollars?”

“Pat Call, one of the supervisors, has been of great assistance to us and has put me in touch with many people,” said Galt.

Call, who represents District 1 which does not include High Knoll, offered help in the form of a road maintenance district, explained Galt. Under that designation, the county can help secure bonds for a loan to fix the bridge through a partnership. The residents would be assessed a share per property owner to pay back the loan over 20 years. However, it still would remain a private road without county maintenance. Until engineering studies are done, the cost of building a bridge over the wash, instead of through it, would remain unknown. Again, all this would be at the expense of the residents.

Believing such an improvement would be too costly, the community began looking into other avenues for help.

It bothers Galt that other county residents say they don’t want their tax money used for private roads.

To that Galt says, “I’ll bet I pay more gas tax than anyone living in Sierra Vista. All of us out here probably spend more getting around than Sierra Vistans. So, we pay more gas tax for no maintenance on our road ... where’s the fairness in that?” he asked. “I guess some people think that the average home has a heliport and we’re all just wealthy,” he joked in response to a comment that helicopters could land to handle extreme emergencies.”

The community approached the Bureau of Land Management to get permission to construct a detour around the wash on government land through the San Pedro Riparian National Conservation Area that would include the use of an old railroad bridge crossing the wash farther downstream.

In a letter, BLM Tucson Field Manager Brian Bellew, said that idea was shot down since the proposed emergency access road did not involve protecting the environment and the wildlife. Also, BLM fears the emergency road, even though it would be gated, locked and only used during emergencies and during heavy flooding when High Knoll could not be used, would encourage additional, unwanted foot and off-road vehicle traffic, thus disturbing the wildlife the riparian area was to protect.

Galt said there has never been a problem with off-road vehicles or foot traffic in the area. Friends of the San Pedro do provide tours and hikes through the conservation area, but none come onto the High Knoll area.

“Obviously, I over-estimated the value of human life to this branch of the government that should be ‘of the people, by the people, for the people,’ in my humble opinion. I fear that this decision will only be revisited at a later time when someone has died because emergency assistance and vehicles could not reach them due to flooding and lack of an emergency road,” said Galt. “And it will show a lack of wisdom if someone dies.”

There’s another confusing issue. Bellew states that High Knoll is an unauthorized access road across BLM property. And there may be a swath of acreage that does in fact cross the existing High Knoll Road, Galt suggests.

But, it seems hard to understand why a dirt road serving a community for the past 22 years has never been called into question by the BLM until now.

Galt explained that the BLM has a 10-year contract with Young Block to maintain the road so the contractor can mine sand from the washes.

“How can they say there’s no right-of-way or ask us to cease maintaining this unauthorized access road when they have this contract,” asked Galt.

BLM states to get the necessary right-of-way for the use of the road, the residents would have to make application for the right-of-way, conduct an environmental analysis for the entire road, obtain permits from the Army Corps of Engineers for the development of a low water crossing, prepare a road design that meets BLM and county road standards, create a road plan for development and the formation of a road association formed by the landowners. All this would be paid for by the residents.

Another option currently under investigation by the residents and in particular Michael Spitz, is to buy a pre-formed, 49-ton weight limit, one-lane Bailey bridge and get it installed over the wash. The bridge was estimated to cost around $130,000, but that does not include installation, said Galt.

“We haven’t been able to find someone who can install it, yet. But, even if it cost another $130,000, that figure is something we could deal with over 20 years,” he added. “It comes down to what we can get done at the lowest cost.”

This year, High Knoll residents have been lucky. The flow through the wash hasn’t been that bad, with only a day or two of difficult travel. As a precaution, High Knoll residents are driving down to the wash and parking one car; then crossing the wash on foot to get in a second car on the other side.

As of Sunday morning, the temporary road was passable. However, the question remains — When will the rains come again that create raging floodwaters making all access impossible?

Herald/Review reporter Shar Porier can be reached at 515-4692 or by e-mail at shar.porier@bisbeereview.net.



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    simplyme wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:01 PM:

    " TO native, just so you know that I am simplyme and don't know who the fool is that made that last post on my name on AUG 10th. I think these statements have gone on long enough and every point possible has been made. My last comment was Aug 5th. Someone likes to steal names,write nasty comments just to build animosity between commenters. Boring soul don't you think? "

    Suggestion wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:18 PM:

    " Why not just create another concrete bridge with pipes for irrigation? Start a fund raiser, I would be willing to donate. Life is too short to be bitter and mean, people matter. "

    guess what wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:33 PM:

    " Just in case you High Knollers didn't know, you are in the SV school disctrict. That means the override tax will be paid by you too. So now you have a bridge tax to consider and a school tax. "

    native wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:32 AM:

    " To simple:fortunately there are good caring folks in SV--I am amazed -so many of the responses are simplyme type of P****ing contests--amazing! Thanks again for the ideas and advice from the thinking folks of SV! "

    to sv Dave and native wrote on Aug 11, 2008 6:06 AM:

    " Yes I drove through the wash on a beautiful slab of concrete that is now gone the picture you see in the paper is not what is there now come out and take a look before you put your 1/2 cents worth. We are not a "town" if we were we would have a gas station grocery store and post office thus we would not need to leave to work in town to facilitate your road maintenance to keep your town from terrorist to check you out in town to serve your meals . "

    simplyme wrote on Aug 10, 2008 6:00 PM:

    " To native: "Still 85% responses are stuff u see on facebook", you must be an avid facebooker to come up with that number. If you don't like what you read then leave. "

    native too wrote on Aug 9, 2008 1:32 PM:

    " Still 85% responses are stuff u see on facebook, except these folks can not spell real good. Some good ideas tho regarding RR--thanks for helpful info folks-please keep good ideas coming! "

    arw wrote on Aug 9, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " As Pat Call has stated, it is possible for landowners to form a Road Improvement District and to have the cost of the road and improvements spread out over a number of years/decades. The cost would be added to your property tax and collected by the county treasurer every year. The bill would increase the property taxes of the landowners who live in High Knoll! "

    Facts wrote on Aug 9, 2008 6:36 AM:

    " Did you ever think that the railroad easement is owned by the railroad company and not BLM? Please get your facts straight. "

    alijill wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:05 AM:

    " From High Knolls road there are old roads that lead to LewIs Springs, the Clanton Ranch, Ajax Hill, Tombstone, Hwy. 80 and there is another access E on Hwy 90 following Watering Hole. I have mountain biked much of this area. Most of this is public land leased for grazing. The leasses have fenced across many of these roads or have locked the gates. I believe that this is illegal and these roads should be availible for our citizens! "

    to bisbee moron wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:14 AM:

    " The road is also washed out to cox road we tried going out that way last week to time ourselves and the area where they had build that makeshift crossing with the big cylinder is big enough to let a Yugo slide by but as you know the road is so narrow and rocky that it would take a 4x4 to travel trough. I see where the railroad tracks traverse the glorious SPR can someone 'splain to me why we can't cross it? Is it 'cause we didn't pay BLM a gazillion bucks to cross it???????? "

    SV Native wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:26 AM:

    " Hey you all got a smoken deal. That land has always marketed cheep for a reason. Your risk should have been obvious when you drove though the wash the very first time. So now you build a bridge divide the cost and all your home values will go up because all the people who thought twice about buying there before won’t anymore. Its not the taxpayers fault you didn’t do your homework! "

    azdave wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:19 PM:

    " To Flabbergasted: Read the article again ... all of it. The residents (per self-appointed spokesman Galt) are asking for a bridge, one that would cost several hundred thousand dollars. The developer flaunted and ignored county guidelines when he created that little slice of heaven, and the home owners became just as culpable by ignoring the problem when they built or bought their houses out there. Why should the county be on the hook to fix it, and where would you take the money from to do so? Please educate this ignorant small town resident. "

    Bisbee Moron wrote on Aug 7, 2008 2:29 PM:

    " Not meaning to sound smart, and excuse me if this has been addressed, I don't see it anywhere though. Is there any reason why people don't take Cox Ranch Road out? Is it fenced off or washed out as well? "

    cmon wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:53 PM:

    " C'mon and look at he bright side of this road....no soliciters....no one crossing your land to get to BLM, pavement holds heat, I lived in Banning Creek, people didn't want the road paved to keep it remote so we could sunbath any way we wanted. :) some people didn't like it that way and they graveled it themselves. What is the matter with that? "

    to Flabbergasted wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:47 PM:

    " of course they pay some sort of road tax, don't they use the "road" to get to the store? Yes,some of the rudest of rude are here making comments, a perk of living in SV. But, that's their right to comment. Many people here HAVE lived/do live in the same setting and understand well. Wish I could go back to that setting to get further away from the people you speak of. HK residents, pitch in together, someone give them a good deal on a bobcat, work your road, appreciate the fact you don't live in SV "

    Mikey wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM:

    " To Flabbergasted and your 3 postings. I'm flabbergasted by your ramblings. I'll reread them again tonight before I go to bed since they put me to sleep. "

    aznative wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:45 AM:

    " As worthless as that ugly catclaw and white thorn infested land is, it would be cheaper for the county to just condemn the whole HK subdivision, buy the properties from the owners and move them out of there than to spend a million dollars on a bridge. "

    Flabbergasted wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:39 AM:

    " realize that the US is a free country because of the troops. The topic has been taken to the extreme and if you don't live in the HK area why do you feel compelled to even make a comment. Let the situation be resolved by the residents and the county and some of you need to really worry about yourselves and why you have become such a negative and rude people.

    GOD bless the US. "

    Flabbergasted wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:37 AM:

    " They have only stated that they pay road maintenance taxes as well as residents of SV. They have NEVER stated that they would not be willing to pay more taxes. If a soldier fighting for our country in Iraq was stranded on a dirt road their would it be alright for the rest of his platoon to leave him there??? Don't take that the wrong way, I am not comparing the problems that HK folks have to deal with as major as the what are troops are going thru everyday. I just want you guys to "

    Flabbergasted wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM:

    " I moved to SV, AZ two years ago and each day I am stunned at how rude and obnoxious one small community can be. I have read each and everyone of these comments and I am amazed how ignorant some of you can be. The residents of HK are not asking for the road to be paved they are asking for help with one major problem area that they have been trying to maintain themselves but have failed due to mother nature. They are asking that the county take on a little responsibility. "

    Not an answer wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:06 AM:

    " Road districts are financed with bonds. They must be paid back with a fixed assessment (e.g., not dependent on valuation). Moreover, at least 50% of the owners would have to agree, which apparently is the real issue here. True, property values have no doubt been effected but not necessarily the tax valuation, which lags behind by a couple of years. So current tax values likely do not reflect the road issue. (By the same token, HK owners would certainly have a case for appealing their tax valuations if they don't drop next year.) "

    Bisbee Moron wrote on Aug 7, 2008 6:31 AM:

    " I like your answer, it actually isn’t bad. I am sure that people won’t like it though. Of course it would depend on the county spending a million bucks, which means their planners might not get to go to Hawaii this year for a planning "conference" (or some such nonsense), but they shouldn’t be using tax payer money that way regardless. "

    I have the Answer wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:25 PM:

    " Ok; how about the County funds the 1 Million for a permenent Bridge. This will cause the property of the HK Home Owners to sky rocket. The County could levy on the home owners a "special assessment" based upon the resulting increase in value to pay off the Bridge. Non HK Taxpayers are off the hook, safety concerns are eleminated, resident's property values go up and the County enjoys an increase in their long term Revenue stream. A Win-Win for everyone; problem solved. Now; what do we do about Iraq... "

    to buyer wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM:

    " You can buy 4 acres for under 35k's AND still have money for your Toyota FJ with a snorkle kit AND the helipad you will need to get you out of there "

    Buyer wrote on Aug 6, 2008 6:34 AM:

    " If it is so dangerous to live out in High Knoll, I would guess the property values are way down, and there may be some good buys out there. "

    High Knoll wrote on Aug 5, 2008 5:07 PM:

    " A woman, someones mother, daughter, sister, friend..... She died last year, not because she was stupid and went through water, it surprised her those are facts, another fact is that HELP could not cross the washes because they were full of debris the helicopter landed here at midnight to try and look for her she had been missing since 9 could she have been saved if the road was passable?? I know it's not your problem the point is there needs to be a safe way in and out. Think of those loved ones left behind before you say anything! "

    simplyme wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:58 AM:

    " HK isn't the only place persons have drowned in washes or roads. Moson Road for example is well paved, signs posted and still someone in a p/u was washed away. Just last week in Tucson and young man was washed away in the city limits. It is sad but it happens everywhere. "

    County Res wrote on Aug 5, 2008 6:05 AM:

    " I live on Calle Encina. The county spent thousands of taxpayers dollars on our privately maintained road due to a misinformed safety complaint regarding a drainage ditch that was engineered and constructed by residents in 1995. Why is the county (Pat Call) so concerned about this perceived safety issue when the county does nothing about the REAL safety issue of the wash on High Knoll, where someone drowned last year? "

    Hi Aznative wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:28 PM:

    " Yankees are smarter than that, probably most residents of HK are from AZ or CA. "

    aznative wrote on Aug 4, 2008 3:34 PM:

    " I have the solution. You could move back to what ever yankee state ya'll came from. Problem solved! "

    another way out wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:10 AM:

    " HK people you can't afford a bridge & the county can't either-that sucks. But your big scream is "WHAT IF" there was a life or death EMERGENCY out there and you can't cross the wash. Well then YOU had better clear an area for an emergency helicopter and all concerned residents have an emergency plan in place. YOU have the problem and YOU will have to solve it. YOU are NOT going to get assistance. Sorry that's the way it is. City folk have city amenities, rural don't. Deal with it or move. "

    High Knoll wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:16 AM:

    " Bottom line is this folks, we all live in a progressive part of the world always moving forward and looking ahead, we can't help that developement will happen, I just heard from a neighboor that 75 4 acre ranch estates are in the developemntal stages on High Knoll past Watering Hole so once this becomes pristine part of S.V. I suppose you all will be out here checking out the beauty? We wont charge a fee to come in so how about we help each other out now??? Then when this area becomes the pristine estates you all hang out!! "

    Half Step wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:21 AM:

    " Correction on last comment Neil should have been Neal. Sorry again ...... Hope You have some luck finding somebody to not only listen to your plight but also to pay for your Bridge. While I'm here, can I get a turn lane on The Bypass just before Coronado and how about a few more Insurance industry regulation...... "

    Half Step wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:15 AM:

    " Hey Neil, Ever heard of Karma. Hope you have luck finding somebody to help you and feel some sort of consolidation that you did not make monthly payments to an agency or business, have an emergency and then have the agency or business look you in the eye with disdain and tell you "sorry , I can't do anything about it..." To the other residence of High Knoll... "Sorry I would like to....." Karma Baby, Karma and also, Is the land such a deal now and I told you so LOL "

    To High and above Knoll wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:46 PM:

    " What keeps you people from renting a tractor, or hiring someone to fix your problem? And you mentioned praying, maybe your not praying to the right people. "

    To High Knoll Aug wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:42 PM:

    " I was kinda walking the wire on this issue, but you really put things into perspective for me. I'm in the military and I make a living to protect my fellow man. You folks are in need and you're not asking for the world. You're fellow Americans, fellow neighbors and we need to have each other's back to progress as a community. I'm a simple man and I don't have the answer to your problems but I would be very disturbed if we were content to leave the residents of High Knoll road high and dry during this dangerous season. "

    TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:31 PM:

    " I understand and sympathize with the residents of the High Knolls area;But I must say that I don't feel anyone but the residents of that area should be held financially responsible to fix the roads. My whole family lives in rural areas of Hereford and we save in an account all year long to have the roads fixed when necessary. I personally opted to live in town simply for that reason. You want the beauty of the country, take some responsibility. "

    azdave wrote on Aug 3, 2008 7:04 PM:

    " To Fernando, High Knoll, and a few others: You all need to take a reading comprehension course. This article doesn't refer to scraping rocks out of the way after a storm or filling in a ditch. Self-appointed spokesman Neal Galt proposes spending hundreds of thousands of county tax dollars to build a permanent bridge so that the road is passable DURING and immediately after the next big storm. This wasn't a "major disaster" by the way. It will happen every couple of years, which is why the county won't take responsibility for it. "

    Fernando wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:29 PM:

    " County supervisor, Pat Call, had Calle Encina surveyed and a drainage ditch filled in. Calle Encina is also a non-county maintained road, so the county spent taxpayers money on a privately maintained road. Why would Call be so helpful to Calle Encina residents and not to High Knoll? Seems to be a double standard to me. "

    High Knoll wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 AM:

    " So let me get this straight.... People buy land that is sold with county blessing and these people pay their work pay their taxes say their prayers and when their road is unpassable we as a community can't lend them a hand? SO when there is a major disaster is this the attitude we take? Screw them? They shouldn't of been there? That is so un-American..... We live in the greatest superpower in the world richest country and you all worried about running a tractor to clear a road TSK TSK TSK "

    Anon wrote on Aug 3, 2008 6:46 AM:

    " The first thing the residends should do is to change the name of that road. High Knoll? Could be Low Wash, Dip Road, Gully Highway, Bridge be gone road, Whiners Street, etc. "

    dom wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:43 AM:

    " remenber who said no to help, vote them out and get somebody who can do the job "

    To HK residents wrote on Aug 2, 2008 9:04 PM:

    " There are many unmaintained county roads in the county. Many people live on those unmaintained roads including me. I knew, just as the people who bought property at HK, that the county would not grade or repair the roads. We all knew before we purchased property the "safety issue". Now people want someone to pay for their "mistake" possibly using my tax money. That is not good stewardship of the peoples money. Remember "Buyer Beware". "

    Really wrote on Aug 2, 2008 8:19 PM:

    " To: To you got it all wrong: What is unfortunate about the peoples that bought propery in HK, on the cheap? They decided to live in the boonies, and when a road or bridge goes bad, they expect the rest of us to bail them out. What I have to say to them wouldn't be printed. "

    HK folks wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:47 PM:

    " Your road FLOODS our road becomes a danger and you CAN NOT drive through it thus creating a safety issue, this whole entire conversation has nothing to do with us wanting a fancy road or a bridge just someone to come out and clear the way after the road becomes washed away ..... as in GONE .... not just flooded lets start the dialogue that way!! "

    To you got it all wrong wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:15 PM:

    " If you go by your reasoning that households without children shouldn't have to pay taxes, then people who live in the county shouldn't have to pay gas taxes for roads. And people who don't use the library shouldn't have to pay that tax. and People who aren't near a fire station shouldn't have to pay that tax either. Well I am happy we have fire stations for the people who are near them. I am happy we have schools to educate our community and well you get the drift. This is a community, what happened to helping the unfortunate? "

    Whetstone wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:27 AM:

    " I once read that some of the best educated citizens in az. live in the sierra Vista area-how about these folks brainstorming and coming up with a solution to HK problem-bridge was good-new cement with proper angles -good. Come on folks-you can do it--bet there would be a nice reward or maybe just knowing you help out folks who needed help! Thanks in advance for your help! "

    azdave wrote on Aug 1, 2008 2:37 PM:

    " To "To azdave": Have it your way on the name. As far as the bridge goes, the developer is responsible for providing safe access. That includes the road and the bridge if necessary ... they aren't separate topics. The HK developer didn't do that and he didn't meet county guidelines for the county assuming responsibility for it. Should all such situations become the burden of the county? The road to my lot washes out every couple of years and becomes impassable ... would you agree that the county should build a bridge for me? "

    To azdave wrote on Aug 1, 2008 10:24 AM:

    " So sorry you are so easily confused.
    How much would I and like-minded brothers' keepers be willing to contribute in order to allow you and other Cochise County residents off the hook for providing a safe bridge to a housing development? This should be covered by our taxes. The road is the responsibility of the residents, just like on the road where I live and the access road to it. "

    you got it all wrong wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:29 PM:

    " To Just a thought: Your argument doesn't hold water. Using your logic, households without kids shouldn't have to pay school taxes. And by the way, it's the developers and ultimately home buyers, not taxpayers, who pay for those 'nice' roads you speak of. Also keep in mind that maintenance of subdivision streets represents a small fraction of the county road budget, due to very low traffic volumes, and none of it goes to neighborhoods inside a city. "

    cam wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:13 PM:

    " HK residents are to blame caveat emptor.. you moved in with ot a road; the county is to blame for allowing uncontrolled growth, real estate agents are to blmae becuase they don't know their jobs and sell things without knowing about easements and the country proposed road, and finally, we are to balme for electing officials who don't do anything to prevent probelms. Next topic: how bout that Ramsey Road drainage problem???????? "

    cam wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:11 PM:

    " Again, everyone in HK bought land as part of teh developement and teh HK development tried to use easement rights to FORCE exisitng ranchers out there to pay for HK raod mai. I didn't need to apy for any raod, I had been driving on teh raod for 10 years when HK tried to force money out of me to pay for a road already there!!!! "

    Lynn K wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:38 PM:

    " Were the land values very low in this area? The value of improvements like roads, curb, gutter, sidewalk, water, sewer, etc. are reflected in the high prices for the lands served in developed areas. People in the cities should not have to subsidize the Dan'l Boones of this day and age. It is a real estate scam for a developer to sell remote land for a downtown price, pocketing the money needed to pay for the needed improvements. These improvements are usually planned for (Phase 2). Caveat Emptor! "

    Just a thought wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM:

    " If the county doesn’t service the road to the property, the property owner should not have to pay “road maintenance” tax for the city dwellers to enjoy while looking down their noses at those who pay for their nice roads. "

    too much emotion wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM:

    " From what I understand, more than half the HK residents are unwilling support an improvement district, the only realistic way to finance a major project. Without majority support, any contributions would be voluntary. Another band-aide is probably the only viable option -- perhaps several large corrugated pipes covered with a few dozen yards of concrete. If you sink some piles and build forms to square off the sides, it might hold up for a long time.
    BTW, the county subdivision ordinance new requires legal subdivisions to have two exit roads. "

    another way out wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:24 AM:

    " Bad roads have been plaguing this county and state for years. Realtors may disclose that issue during the sell but not very loudly. Nothing fraudulent was done but is shady. Whether buying a house, land, car or service it is buyer beware. HK residents ignored the facts and good common sense when they purchased. It is a case of "only seeing what you want to see" and making assumptions It's a discouraging situation but if HK road is "fixed" by the county what about all the other 1000s of non-maintained county roads "

    another way out wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:37 AM:

    " Mark C. has made the most sense yet. HK study the topo map and existing roads and property lines that have easement (legally binding, even if the prop. owner screams). Then find the point that has the best crossing of any washes. You cut the road on that route. You will have the go east, then south to bypass the 2 washes on HK road. And yes it is your dime to pay for it. But not has $ as a bridge. Face it BLM is never going to allow access. "

    HC Resident wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " To desert resident: It's not about YOU!!! And BTW, I HAVE a life. Fishing, golfing, riding, traveling. NOT spending my free time maintaining my dirt road! And another thing, I DO understand the situation because I lived it myself years ago. I moved!! "

    desert resident wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:58 PM:

    " To AZ Dave: Thank YOU, Dave for your input; its good to know someone understands. We were recommended by our realestate agent (when we bought out place) to get together with our neighbors and start a fund to each put aside money, then have a professional company pave our road. Unfortuantely some can't afford to do so, so... my husband and I do our part to maintain our part of the road. Enough said.. "

    NOBODY SPECIAL. wrote on Jul 30, 2008 3:32 PM:

    " AHHHH! THE JOYS OF COUNTRY LIVING!! "

    Mike wrote on Jul 30, 2008 3:03 PM:

    " GASP, the feeling is mutual, please dont move here. As for not being sympathetic for people, seems to me that SV people are common sense and expect others to be responsible for their actions, if you want sympathy, head on back to CA where they will coddle you and tell you "Thats OK, Govnt will take care of you" "

    High Knoll Resident wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:37 PM:

    " Thank you all for opening dialogue on this situation the scary part is if for some reason sierra vista can't evacuate via 90 or 92 in case of emergency evacuation there aren't many other options and here's a chance one of our roads leads to Tombstone or Bisbee we need to look out for the future and yes I know I live in sticks but we can take this situation and turn it towards a plus and not such a negative situaion. "

    Realist wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:03 PM:

    " If Cochise County would just stop issuing building permits in areas that do not have county maintained roads, we would not have such issues. The County P&Z and Board of Supervisors play a major role in road maintenance problems and blame the State. They want the tax revenue, but do not want to shoulder any responsibility. The county highway department won't even take care of their own engineering problems. Even if a rural road was engineered, it only takes the county grader one swipe to ruin it. "

    Mark C. wrote on Jul 30, 2008 1:35 PM:

    " Looking at the terrain on MapQuest, it's pretty obvious that High Knoll Road was a bad idea from the get go. Wouldn't it make more sense to extend Gunsmoke Ave. through Nana's Trail and then out to Hwy 90? "

    too much emotion wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:12 AM:

    " I've driven through HK wash several times, and yes, it's a mess. I don't think anyone is accusing residents of exaggerating. The next flood will likely destroy last year's repairs. But emotion and rudeness aside, no one has made a reasonable argument why taxpayers should pay for repairing private infrastructure. As another poster pointed out, other wildcat developments exist where accessibility for life-safety is compromised. We pay taxes for the county to maintain public roads. Improvements to a non thoroughfare street is the owner's responsibility. "

    azdave wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:36 AM:

    " To desert resident: You and the other High Knoll residents may be doing your best to deal with the situation, and I have no gripe with you exploring your options with the county, but your spokesperson (Galt) is claiming that you folks can't afford to fix the situation on your own, and he is claiming your gas tax contributions (trivial relative to the cost of a bridge) should justify county help. We also have a half dozen posters to this forum that think tax money is a bottomless well. They're the problem, not you per se. "

    azdave wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:22 AM:

    " To "To azdave": (it would be less confusing if you used your own name) The lack of a suitable bridge across that huge wash is exactly why the road doesn't meet county guidelines. Bridges are extremely expensive. Exactly how much money would you personally be willing to contribute to build one? Divide that number into a few hundred thousand dollars and that's how many like-minded "brother's keepers" you need to recruit to pay for the bridge. Otherwise you're asking the rest of us to pay for it, or to divert funds from somewhere else. "

    Shenandoah wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:53 AM:

    " Just moved here from West Az. border and am amazed at the pure meaness and lack of compassion for folks who have experienced some hard times. I would like to meet some the folks out in High Knoll and see if they are as lazy, whiney,stupid, and on the welfare wagon as many of the "good" folks in your town imply by their remarks in your paper.I did read a few commendable thoughts by folks I would like to have as my neighbor. Will get back to you! "

    subdivision snob wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:27 AM:

    " sunshine: what part of I pay more taxes for this convenience do you not understand? I lived in a situation not as rough but similar to this and got out of it as soon as I could. These folks need an assessment to their properties in lieu of my taxes going up even more to pay for this. For the life of me I cannot remember this road EVER being in good condition in the twenty-two years I have lived here, so I do not get why everyone is complaining about it now. "

    sunshine wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:40 AM:

    " to "HK folks" see now you know how it is out there, people think that its a joke, its not think about the residents that live out there, that is there home, think about what they have to go thru every single day, i have a 4x4 also and i have to go out there to pick my son up whem my mom and dad watch him and you know i get scared, that wash is nothing to mess around with, you never know what could happen, at least there are some people out there that care. "

    desert resident wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 AM:

    " To HC: Apparently you don't read very well. As I said, we are having to maintain our road where we live, thus I think that means we ARE dealing with it. What part of that don't YOU understand?? So do yourself a favor and leave those High Knoll Road folks alone and GET A LIFE, buddy!!!!! "

    sunshine wrote on Jul 30, 2008 6:59 AM:

    " you know i feel bad for the hk residents,all you people are being so rude, you have no sympthany you know what we all understand all we want is a little bit of help so we can at least make it home!! the road itself is not to bad its the big wash that needs some work! you guys need to care a little more for the rest of the community, and by the way we are not blameing it on anybody we just want people to understand that the wash is no joke!!!! "

    HK folks wrote on Jul 30, 2008 6:50 AM:

    " How about the multi million dollar light that just got built on 90 & Molson? What was that all about? PROGRESS is what that was about and as the city continues to grow so does the income and so do the taxes those folks out there are not asking for paved roads just 1 road that is clear of huge rock debris I went out there to see what you all where arguing about and before you post you should take a look it will change your opinion I wouldn't take my 4x4 into that godforaken mess for sure!!! "

    To azdave wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:21 PM:

    " They are not asking for road maintenance, as I understand it. They are asking for a bridge over the wash. When the previous bridge washed away, a woman died in that wash. Some of us don't care if that was a "wildcat development." There was a bridge and now there isn't and there is no safe way into their homes when the wash floods. The "guidelines" and the laws are all on your side of the discussion; no need to be a snot about it. You are not your brother's keeper. We get it, we just don't agree. "

    azdave wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:11 PM:

    " You apologists just don't get it, do you. The county has guidelines for housing developers to provide various improvements and to assure that things like roads are maintainable. High Knoll was a wildcat development not approved by the county, and the folks who live there knew it when they bought their lots. The county also has guidelines for private roads that must be met before the county will take over the responsibility for them so that the maintenance costs won't represent an undue burden to other taxpayers. High Knoll Road doesn't meet those guidelines. Understand??? "

    No free roads wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM:

    " Build them a road and access them for what the road cost. When I lived in a Midwest city, when they put in sewer, water, and a paved road in my area, it cost me $40,000 is accessments for three lots. Which was money well spent as it raised the value of the lots more than the cost of accessments. "

    sunshine wrote on Jul 29, 2008 2:11 PM:

    " to all of you guys out there talking bad about this road, you have no idea how it is to be stuck you live where everthing is handed to you, reality check it is beautiful out there, and you know what we cant help what mother nature has done. "

    HC Resident wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:48 PM:

    " Nobody paved a road to my house when I lived in the boondocks and I never would have asked them to.
    To Desert Resident, You fall in the same catagory as the HK folks so to you I say the same thing.... Deal with it!! "

    Why wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:48 PM:

    " "Why would the county allow someone to profit by selling this land" HK resident is asking. Why did you not check it out before you bought it? Do you think that paying County Maintance Tax ensures you get a road? If you all bought land with no knowledge of the road, then get together sand find a solution. Why are you expecting the tax payers to help you out because you did not have the sense to check out the road access before you signed your deal? "

    Dave wrote on Jul 29, 2008 1:12 PM:

    " OK folks, let's quit calling everyone who lives at High Knoll whiners just because they want a county maintained road. Back in the early days, when Cochise and Jeronimo were running around, there were NO county/city maintained roads, folks knew that, and everything was fine. But eventually, the government, be it city, county, state, whatever....takes over roads and assumes responsibility for their maintenance. What the folks at HK are saying is that perhaps it is time for the county to take over HK Road. "

    lpu wrote on Jul 29, 2008 12:59 PM:

    " Compassion doesn't accomplish one thing. Enablers need couseling.
    We are fully aware of the wash issues. We chose to live here because it's quiet and the night sky isn't blinded by city lights. We just want our elected officials and local/state government to do their job. Our tax money pays their salaries, so in essence, they work for us. "

    cam wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:31 AM:

    " OK, now I know why HK residnets don't know about teh raod issues.. they don't read. All these commnets including the endless ones I wrote about KH in 1992 having all the facts, seems liek no one is seeing that this was a well known and documented probelm for years and those who sold acerage in HK decided that making folks buy into their probelm. Also, taxes are to maintain ALL countyr roads, or do you only drive on HK "estates". "

    Subdivision snob wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:31 AM:

    " Yes I live in a "tract subdivision" with my fancy smancy roads which I LOVE dearly but I also pay more taxes. There are residents out there that have three times the size of home (20 X size land) pay only about 50% more than I do. BUT I moved from the rural no service life to city life because of problems like this and will gladly pay more taxes and have my neighbors right next door. It is even more quiet in the city then it was in the county with the loud music acres away. "

    To HK Resident wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:08 AM:

    " So your only asking for one road? Like azdave, I am only asking for some monies to pay for the 5 ton of AB that washed away last Friday, but knowing that I won't get any from anyone, I will buy it myself. Quit asking, and get to work with your fellow residents and fix your road. "

    djones wrote on Jul 29, 2008 8:15 AM:

    " What some people would call compassion, I call enabling. By bailing people out every time they make a bad decision they will never learn to make good decisions. When I moved to a house at the end of a non-maintained road, I did it with full knowledge that I would not be provided with all the amenities of “city life”. That was my choice and I am very happy with it. If these folks want the benefits that go along with living in town, they need to move back to town! "

    High Knoll Resident wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " never in our radar, the wash where she died had never been an issue and she would have never gone into rushing water her timing was just bad. Bottom line is we are not asking for paved roads just 1 road that we can drive on come out and take a look at the road so you can get an idea I would venture to say if the rain continues that will for sure be not a wash but a river and why would the county allow someone to profit by selling this land? All goes back to greed...... "

    High Knoll Resident wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:00 AM:

    " As I read my paperwork and tax stuff it says "County Maintenance Tax" .... I have been paying taxes for road maintenance, seems like an oxy moron. I moved here because it IS beautiful and inexpensive all of this county was at one time dirt roads and as big bussines came into town things expanded one day this will be the case here but for now we still grieve for the life lost and to blame her without knowing the facts is just sad no one goes into a wash for the fun of it that particular wash was never.... "

    Pauly wrote on Jul 29, 2008 6:32 AM:

    " Hope y'all are reading these comments. You moved there knowing what was what. It's not anyones problem except yours to address. "

    The Shadow wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:45 AM:

    " For the life of me I cannot figure out how anyone can rationally think that any type of government agency is responsible for building and or maintaining a road to an isolated area like that; just because 20 people built out there? Hog Wash…. It has nothing to do about being compassionate or mean spirited but I too am tired of hearing about their road or lack there of. What’s next, when their water well runs dry are we obligated to truck water to them? "

    Serena wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:05 AM:

    " I am a resident of the High Knoll area.We are not whinners.We love it out here.Its much better than living on top of one another in town.I just think that the others that live out here should have bought a truck and just delt with the fact that we live on a dirt road and thats that.Not all of us are whinners or complainers.I could name a few right now that aren't.And we are glad we don't live by YOU. "

    Cheryl wrote on Jul 29, 2008 5:00 AM:

    " I am a resident of the High Knoll area....I just want to say that although Young Block did bring out rock and place in an area that needed it and to not take away from the fact that they do maintain some of the road...K E & G allowed some of their employees to use their equipment to even be able to get out of the area last year when we first lost the wash. "

    azdave wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:07 PM:

    " I live in a rural area off a private road that occasionally washes out during the monsoons, making it impassable. I knew every bit of that when I bought the lot, just like the residents of High Knoll did. I have my own tractor and do my own road repair, but fill dirt is expensive and I'm running low. To all you folks who think the county should use your taxes (and mine) to maintain the High Knoll road, please each contribute five dollars to my road fund. If not, please explain the difference for me. "

    CAM wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:29 PM:

    " I concur with comments about these folsk are responsible for themsevles, but PLEASE NOTE: thsi was all known in 1992 by High Knolls... for anyone who moved out there after 1992, they should have known. HK tried to make everyone who alreayd had land out ther e BUY INTO THEIR ROAD AND MAIT, they tried to deny the older land holders physical access to their land .. HK knew ALL the land access issues. "

    sv roads need work wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:26 PM:

    " The property values are likely lower out there per square foot, so they have been saving by living in the boondocks. Thus, they saved and should use that savings to pay for the new bridge. But don't feel too bad, the roads in town aren't that great. Look at how the main intersections along Wilcox are like going through a ditch. Guess not much maintenance going on with those and poor design to begin with. "

    simplyme wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:22 PM:

    " if these people have been at HK for so long they should have resolved this situation. Sue? The statute of limitations has well passed during this 10 or 20 years. There has been plenty of time to save up and get that road it graded properly for rains and snows. The residents have looked the other way as well. The environment is fine? To Gasp, key word you stated my "city" street, yes I would whine if it washed away. My land in the county? No I wouldn't. Not everyone here is a suburbanite. "

    ElRio wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:30 PM:

    " Victims of their own decisions. If you want county maintained roads, buy in an area with county maintained roads. This is pure and simple whining from folks who bought land in a remote rural area full well knowing the state and condition of the roads and now want a free ride. Here's the solution, you are responsible for the maintenance of your own PRIVATE roads, YOU NEED TO PAY FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS AND FUTURE MAINTENANCE. Period. End of discussion. Why does the Herald keep giving these whiners a voice? "

    John wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:29 PM:

    " Don't you think 10 years is long enough cochise county road commission and county elected supervisors. people who live in the county pay gas tax and also alot in other taxes just like your rich subdivision dwellers. Don't you understand growth? whats the motto here? give us all tax monies but don't ask for services-- ie improved our county maintained roads. Make your statement people of cochise county on election-day 2008. "

    County Crier wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:02 PM:

    " Are all of these 60 property owners that live out there that stupid, that they hadn't the slighest clue when they bought, that their road wasn't a county maintained road? Glad I don't live close to them. "

    Altered landscape wrote on Jul 28, 2008 6:24 PM:

    " The constant building and approval of moving massive amounts of dirt for subdivisions alters moonsoon run-off which causes flooding in areas that did not have as much damage in the past. Look at the city wanting to put a detention basin in Garden Canyon Wash Linear Park. This is really flood control for the Castle and Cooke developments going in east of 92 and BST. "

    Boonie Lover wrote on Jul 28, 2008 6:24 PM:

    " Did you ever consider that people moved out there because they could not afford to buy in town? What happened to positive constructive ideas? "

    Boonie Lover wrote on Jul 28, 2008 6:22 PM:

    " I lived off of the Barbocomarie growing up and folks who live there bought a huge Boulder and had it sunk into the river crossing. As far as I know it's still there doing its job. Find out where you could buy a house size boulder and have it sunk into the crossing of course the top of it would be blasted flat. "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on Jul 28, 2008 4:42 PM:

    " Protecting the environment? Shut up! These people have lived there for 20 years with no "environmental studies"- environment's fine. It's very sad the the Neo-Pantheists who worship the environment care more about these stupid studies that they do for human beings. These agencies, the County, BLM, etc. looked the other way the whole time- and said nothing. Now all of the sudden, they feel heat and point these things out to cover their hind ends. Someone needs to step up for them on this. These folks are not rich but they are victims. "

    Au_contraire wrote on Jul 28, 2008 3:47 PM:

    " Not arguing that folks probably bought on the cheap, and someone broke the law by not disclosing the facts, OTOH....If property values go up, taxes go up, and the County gets more money. It's almost a win-win, because them (H-K's)paying their fair share, reduces our burden. The alternative is something bad happens, the county get taken to court, and probably loses, or more likely the county settles, one person gets rich, and we all pay for it anyways. I think they ought to sue BLM for full emergency access. "

    Gasp wrote on Jul 28, 2008 2:33 PM:

    " Where is the compassion and respect for people who want to own their own land? No matter where it'slocated they have worked hard to buy & develop the land they live on. They pay taxes and shop the same places the suburbanites and cookie cutter housing development residents.I bet if your city maintained St. washed out & you couldn't get to the store you would WAAA to the pitch of a high scream. Must be nice to sit back and be negative about the choices of others. Glad I don't live there. You sound like mean-minded children! "

    simplyme wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:48 PM:

    " My God. If you want services of the city move there. People are moving to these areas for their rural setting, and need to know how to live rural,it's not for city slickers. I hauled my own water on a non maintained road, alone. If you love your slice of heaven remember what heaven is all about and leave natures work alone. Stop coming here to tear it up. I guess you are going to complain about javelina and coyotes next. Rent a road grader just like the ranchers, build a pantry and plant a garden. "

    No one here... wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:14 PM:

    " has to agree with the opinions or situation that is in this article--but there is no excuse to use it to be nasty and insult. You can have an opinion without behaving in a derogative manner. "

    Jesse wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:09 PM:

    " It's refreshing to read some of the responses to this. I was pretty convinced that most people in the US believed taxpayers should pay for poor decision making. It's nice to see others feel that people need to take some personal responsibility for their poor decision making skills. "

    Mae wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:00 PM:

    " when you want to move to the boonies except to accept the cost of maintaining the cost of living way out there or live without convenience of good roads, good utilities that work all the time. That is the cost of living way out. You made that choice now do not expect others to subside your choices. Who moves where there is no fire district if they are in their right minds. When there is a fire and a house burns you will expect others to rebuild your house too. move if you do not like the roads "

    cam wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:50 PM:

    " the county records. HK didn't know this?? They ENFORED it with me to first try and make me buy into their estate road mait and second to keep me from having a leagl easement so I coudl not sell my land. HOw can they now say they didnt' know this??? "

    cam wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:48 PM:

    " I had to get a lawyer specializing in land to show that I had easement rights baced on using teh land for 10 years and High Knolls could not legally keep a grudge strip. When faced with that, High KNolls "granted" me access over the last 12 inches of road that I had been using for a decade. I sol dthe land. IN OTHER WORDS< I KNEW ALL ABOUT THIS in 1991 when I sifted it out of "

    cam wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:46 PM:

    " in 1981, I purchased land and eventually had to sell it out there becuase high KNolls came in and would NOT sell me any more land. I had 200 acres whihc I eventually had to sell becuase it no longer gave me the quiet I sought. In 1991 when I came back from teh war, I found out all this business because HIgh Knolls kept me from using the same road I had used for 10 years. "

    Take responsibility wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:16 PM:

    " Although some of these comments are a bit over-the-top, compassion has nothing to-do-with-it. Many other wildcat neighborhoods have horrible roads. Folks who buy on paved roads pay a premium. Should we pave them all? Where's the fairness if you use taxes to give those residents a windfall. What makes this an exception? I know folks who live off-the grid and are MUCH less accessible for life-safety reasons. To-Hereford-Woman: State law greatly limits county's ability to stop wildcating. There's no county culpability here. This is an issue between residents and their developer, if they can find him. "

    what can you expect wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:07 PM:

    " from the county. Would you really want them to fix your problem? Look how they have fixed Ramsey Rd. And then they plan to resurface Moson Rd. yet not fix the drainage problem. If this is how they fix maintained roads just imagine how they would fix your road. Personal, I do not want my tax dollars used to fix any road because it is a waste of tax dollars. Welcome to the wild wild west I guess... "

    Take responsibility wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:47 AM:

    " (continued) As for setting up an improvement district, you're better off leaving the government out of it. Things always cost much more when the bureaucrats get involved! Look at it this way, your property values are currently shot to hell (probably more so because of the publicity you brought upon your situation). If you fix your road privately, you'll get it back in the long run. Your biggest obstacle is getting most of the residents on board. I'm sure there are some who don't want to spend a penny. More reason to avoid wildcat subdivisions. "

    Take responsibility wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:32 AM:

    " I know what those lots were selling for 10 years ago and I can say with certainty they were much less than similar lots in rural neighborhoods with county maintained roads. If the county fixed your road, guess what would happen to your home's resell value? Do you think it's fair to ask taxpayers to foot the bill for what would amount to your windfall? "

    Au_contraire wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:07 AM:

    " All self-righteous "too bads" aside, it's sad to see that the County and BLM are doing nothing, about what is honestly a life safety issue. Failing to deal with this issue for 22 years says something about both BLM and the County and how much they value human life. Fry townsite wasand is ignored by the County for 50 years, guess the County is waiting for Sierra Vista to solve this problem for them too. We all pay the County a crapload of dollars, the question I have is, for WHAT? "

    desert resident wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:51 AM:

    " To Neil and the other residents on that road, I can understand your situation. We live out in Whetstone on a dirt road that is also NOT maintained by the county. We knew this when we purchased our mfg. home on this road. When it rains our road can literally become a "river" so to speak. My husband and I do our best to maintain the road in front of our home, up to the corner. So don't feel bad, you're not alone. And for HC Resident, why don't you back off and leave them alone. "

    James C. wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:38 AM:

    " Boohoo. Sue the original contractor/developer that sold you the land if you were promised any sort of county support. However, there's a *reason* for a minimum acceptance standard; this occurs in virtually all areas of the gov't when transitioning items between private/gov't and gov't/gov't entities. I chose to live in the county and city limits because I wanted access to all services, and I paid for my home in a sub-division so I could get a great road that's maintained. Guess what: the turnover process works. "

    geezz wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:35 AM:

    " You can't have your cake and eat it too- if you moved to Knoll for the location, than you have to deal with other aspects of living there. And for the gas money you spend? Well- move in town like everyone else and it won't be a problem. "

    Hereford Woman wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:27 AM:

    " Many of the homes out where I live have put in steel(?) tubes over the cuts to drain water away between their driveways and the dirt roads. Then the tubes are covered with dirt. Is something like this an impossible or too expensive solution for this wash? Frankly, I don't care a whit if my tax dollars are used to solve this particular problem. I think it is the county's problem for allowing the development in the first place. The milk of human kindness and compassion curdles in some of these posters' veins. "

    azdave wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:02 AM:

    " The gas tax argument is totally bogus. Whatever the High Knoll residents pay in taxes obviously doesn't even come close to what it would take to fix the road problem. That means that the county, if it took on the burden of maintaining that road, would have to divert funds way beyond that contributed by these residents. And since the road clearly doesn't meet standards, it would be considerably more expensive to maintain than a typical road elsewhere. These folks bought homes out there to escape costs and now they're paying for it. Too bad. "

    Weird wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:41 AM:

    " I hope Mr. Galt isn't so delusional that he thinks that his gas taxes go into a pool of gas taxes that are used solely for Cochise County. Isn't that explained on the Cochise County website....... "

    South Padre TX wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " This story reminds me of people who build on beach fronts and then complain when the house is hit by a hurricane. If you live in the same county but miles away you have to pay higher taxes to cover down for levy maintaince. "

    Wash wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:31 AM:

    " M60A1 Armored Vehicle Landing Bridge; An M60A1 Armored Vehicle Landing Bridge (AVLB) practices the deployment of its 60 foot bridge span, designed to quickly move heavy military wheeled and tracked vehicles over unstable or hazardous terrain.
    Try buying one of these, or one with similar function at military auction. It's basically a truck that deploys a bridge when needed. "

    Hello wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:20 AM:

    " These poor people are perhaps more to be pitied than blamed but, looking at the issue from another perspective, they remind me of those who buy property next to an airport or airforce base and then complain about the noise. Someone needs to hold thier hands and explain caveat emptor to them. It's the one you don't see that gets you; you have to look. I can't see where there ignorance should be a burden for other tax payers. "

    Mike wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:02 AM:

    " WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I pay gas tax. I made a poor decision. Govt. please save me from myself. I pay gas tax as well and I don't want it going to a private road. I think the county is absolutely fair. "

    Boo Hoo wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:52 AM:

    " Quit crying and just put in the new bridge. You decided to live in that area, are saving on taxes, so time to pay up and take care of the road, to your slice of heaven. "

    not our problem wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:39 AM:

    " you decided to live out in the sticks. You knew the risks. Deal with it, not our problem to fix "

    If wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:38 AM:

    " If Pat CAll is really so helpful, he would not have spent county funds on filling in a drainage ditch last year with county (HURF?) funds. The ditch was for flood control on Calle Encina which is not a county maintaiined road. It has a private maintaince agreement formed by the residents in l995. The ditch that was filled in with county equipment and materials is now in place again with county approval. "

    alijill wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:23 AM:

    " Okay so we hate illegal aliens and we hate our fellow Sierra Vistans. I'll deal with the washed out roads to be away from such small minded people. Compassion for anyone ever? "

    Sierra Vista Resident wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " I am constantly amazed and appalled by the lack of empathy and support that Sierra Vista Residents show for one another. Even if it's not within a person's means to help someone else in a bad situation, try to at least put yourselves in their shoes. I thought this was a nice community, but many of the people who live here or have moved here have turned cold-hearted and rigid. Let's hope you never find yourselves in a situation where you turn to other people for help... and find yourself facing people just like YOU! "

    HC Resident wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:48 AM:

    " You all knew the issues when you bought your little "slices of heaven". I lived in Babacomari estates years ago with the same problem. Deal with it!!! "

    Mike wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:44 AM:

    " Lets see, you bought the land knowing where it was, dont blame anyone else because you didnt check into the road. And so what if you buy more gas, it's the price you pay for living way out there.Not the fault of the "other Sierra Vistans" "

    KB wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:17 AM:

    " You can say, over and over, that none of you knew that the road was not county-maintained. So I must be a genius for instinctively knowing that dirt road I live on is not county-maintained. When we were looking at property, we ruled out anything off of High Knoll and other properties because we did not want to have to cross a wash to get to or from our home. So I find it really hard to feel sorry for all those residents out there. If someone DOES need emergency help during a flood, they did it to themselves. "

    Where is the help wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " I do not live in the area, but think the county is being unfair to those residents. One person has died because of this, shouldnt the county or the BLM look at that issue when being so stubborn? These people pay their taxes to the county, they pay gas tax, but yet cant tap into those funds in order to protect lives? What a shame! "

    Good grief wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:00 AM:

    " Wah! Wah! I moved somewhere that's causing me problems. Oh, my government, come bail me out! Sheesh. Just move if you don't like your 'little slice of heaven.' Otherwise, buck up and don't ask others to fix your problems. "

    Its a problem wrote on Jul 28, 2008 6:53 AM:

    " This is a comon problem throughout the state. It is just these peoples turn to suffer. Was there a public report done when the original lots were sold? State law since the 1960's says that all people in a development are supposed to get one when they buy their lot or home. Within that there could have been important information about the ingress and egress. If there was no public report filed and approved by the state, then the original developer could still be held liable. Good Luck. "

    Ginger Snaps wrote on Jul 28, 2008 6:52 AM:

    " That comment about you guys paying more gas taxes , is kinda dumb. Considering that you knew where you were moving, when you moved out there 20 years ago. That is just what happens when you choose to live that far away from town.I find it difficult to feel bad about your gas problem. "

    Brewster wrote on Jul 28, 2008 5:52 AM:

    " Galt says, "“We were lucky that no one needed the fire department or an ambulance." And he's right, because the High Knoll area is not served by any fire department or district. If he's lived there for 10 years, he ought to know that there is no fire protection for that community. "

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