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Illegal immigration: It is illegal

Dave Cartun


Published/Last Modified on Sunday, Jun 29, 2008 - 05:28:53 am MST

Thirty-eight vehicles sit idle at 1:30 p.m. on a typical Tuesday at the Border Patrol station in Naco, Ariz.

Just another one and one-half million dollars of taxpayer-supported, debt-ridden government property indicating illegal immigration is a failure of politics, economics, business and laws that govern our behavior and protect us from self destruction.

“That’s the way it is,” many say. But it’s not the way it has to be!

The do-gooder side of us lets our empathy or sympathy get in the way of common and fiscal sense.



We are blind to fiscal and cultural sanity while illegals make American identity evolve so fast our culture is becoming destabilized.

Illegals penetrate our social and economic activity with the audacity to demand equal rights and services and the mendacity of their protests — even from jail by convicted felons.

Illegal inmate felons are suing for equal treatment in all prisons for food, medical service and lodging. Mexico wants us to stop executing their citizens — no matter what the crime. We deepen our national debt and threaten our state, county and local budgets to pay for Border Patrol, helicopter rides, hospital services, schooling, welfare services, police actions and imprisonment of illegals.

Politicians perpetuate their own failures as they duck the illegal immigration issue in order not to offend certain voters. Businesses contribute to the failure by knowingly hiring illegals thus oiling the supply and demand chain.

We may be the most tolerant, charitable nation in the industrialized world but that tolerance has bred indifference as our melting pot has become an invasion. The illegal culture permeates our society, both in the civil and criminal sense, and a high percentage of captured illegals are felons re-entering the USA.

The pro-illegal movement has managed to cajole our media into using the word migrants in place of illegals or UDA’s as did the Herald/Review in the front page headline and wire story June 20.

Larry Elkins, a Bisbee resident, has three practical answers.

First, keep accurate track of all immigrants with temporary visas. Second, get really tough on employers who knowingly ignore the law.

Third, create job centers at the border where an employer can find immigrants ready and qualified to train and work in the employers’ industry.

A fourth answer is to demand that Mexico and other foreign countries level the playing field with us and that Mexico close its own borders and take responsibility for paying the costs of exporting its citizens.

With Mexico as an example, consider the following differences.

Americans may not buy property 60 miles from the border and various distances from the oceans. Banks have different policies depending on proximity to the border. How about search and seizure laws, illegal entry and Mexico’s policy of non-extradition for most criminals and those subject to the death penalty?

Have you ever tried questioning the authority of a Mexican law enforcement officer or shooting at one?

Our Homeland Security can’t shoot at a smuggler or coyote unless fired upon but,  Mexican soldiers and Judicial Police protect drug loads and coyotes and have shot at our law enforcement officers and killed illegals coming into Mexico.

Smugglers, coyotes, judicial police and military personnel have no rights in the U.S. when they cross the border and need to be subjected to whatever force is necessary when they refuse to obey Homeland Security personnel.

We must keep track of temporary visas as these people move around and infiltrate American society.

Businesses should not be the whipping boy of failed immigration enforcement, but we have to dry out the job market so the desire to illegally enter the United States will drop.

Employment centers are the most practical approach to handling the need for workers while making the employer totally responsible for paying at least minimum wage and insuring adequate housing, equal working conditions and medical needs. No women or children allowed.

The value of a an illegal from Mexico has been set by the law of supply and demand at $2,000. Why not charge Mexico the same amount to recover its citizens? Induce Mexico to face reality, close its own border and pay our total costs of their illegal immigrants.

Why won’t our politicians make these simple changes? Because re-election is more important than our country’s future.

Illegals should not have the right to file lawsuits, obtain welfare of any kind and obtain drivers licenses. But, legally documented people who want to work should not be denied if work is available.

You, the readers, are the festering problem. Do you understand what is happening to our country? Will you open your eyes to the facts? Are you willing to demand these no-nonsense measures from your elected officials?

I doubt it.

DAVE CARTUN is a Bisbee resident who has been involved with pro baseball, volunteer coaching, has served on the Bisbee City Council and is a business entrepreneur. He is a registered independent. Area residents Ross Anderson, Peter Carberry, Ken Thomas and Tito Ross also contributed to this column. Look for the Independent View in upcoming editions of the Herald/Review.



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    To close this blog wrote on Jul 19, 2008 3:13 PM:

    " If you don't like free speah why don't you move to Cuba? I will help you pack! Or maybe your are already there...that would explain a few things. "

    hmmm wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:22 PM:

    " I guess it is only close minded if it is contrary to your own thoughts. hmmm. "

    Close this Blog wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:38 PM:

    " Dear Editor, do us a big favor and close this blog. It's starting to get side-tracked and narrow-minded. I always thought the title of the article was stupid anyway. "

    EJS wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:02 PM:

    " Picture this. Somebody broke into your house and did all the cleaning and repairs. You ask him to leave and he asks why? He has done the chores you don't like to do. All he asks is for you to pay for his food and water. ...Would you let him stay? Illegal Immigration. Keyword? ILLEGAL. "

    simplyme wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:56 PM:

    " Sue Mexico? Right! An example of our great relationship with the Mexican Council is child support. Yes, US children have Mexican parents. Try to get permission to enter Mexico to serve their citizen even when you know the location and employer. Then try to enforce it. HOWEVER, once there is an order if that parent enters the US guess what? They have a warrant for failure to appear or back support. So, it can work if Mexico would only cooperate. That cooperation is a one-way street and or government the fools. "

    simplyme wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:31 PM:

    " To OldMarine, totally with you and I have thought of it several times. I think it is time to protest. Freedom of Speech they say, you say what you think or show what you think and I can bet I will loose my job. Right now, I think I can make it just the same and it might be worth it if officials would even listen to that. For sure, I would participate. These illegals don't even know what the stars on our flag represent. Put them in a work line just like the depression. "

    anon wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:14 PM:

    " Sue Mexico for reparations. "

    Old Marine wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:10 AM:

    " After reading all the comments below I see that a vast majority appear to agree. How can anyone replace the word "legal" with "illegal." Our elected officials, Democrats & Republicans, plus Independents don't appear to get the message from the voters. I am mostly opposed to demonstrations; however, it sometimes appears to be the only way to get the attention of elected officials. It should not have to be the way, but what do you do with elected officials who refuse to obey and enforce our laws? "

    bob wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:34 AM:

    " And as for the USAID...sending their people to the US is probably worth more to the Mexican government than USAID! And it is the only thing preventing the revolution that needs to happen in Mexico. If all of those people coming over the border suddenly had no choice but to make due in Mexico they would overthrow that mess of a narco democracy. "

    bob wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:30 AM:

    " If the government grants amnesty to illegal aliens is there a basis for a class action lawsuit for all of those who have filled out dozens of forms, spent tens of thousands of dollars and waited months or years to get in legally? If so then I want in on it! "

    Eric Morelock wrote on Jul 14, 2008 3:46 PM:

    " I think what you propose here is more than agreeable,maybe a little lenient.I will forward this to some elected officals. "

    simplyme wrote on Jul 14, 2008 12:06 AM:

    " is it any wonder our country cannot afford health care for our own citizens? Come to America, go to prison, get free lodging and food, health/dental and even an education. Prison life can't be any worse than what illegals are running from. We need to care for our own and haven't even figured that out yet. I am sure their life is bad but, we can't ignore our own people. Why is it when my health care is terminated I cannot get my maintainence medications like anticonvulsants,a woman with breast cancer cannot get treatment because she works? "

    Visitor wrote on Jul 13, 2008 11:28 PM:

    " To 'Calo West' and Editors:
    "llama oferta y demanda", no it's called make anything cheap, someone will buy it. There will always be weak minded individuals who feel the need to escape, be it with alcohol or drugs.
    Seal the border, keep the drugs (and illegals) south of the fence. "

    Earl wrote on Jul 13, 2008 7:44 PM:

    " More and more people are feeling the same frustration over the Illegal problem. An instant solution would be to deduct a set amount of money from the U.S. aid to Mexico for every illegal we catch crossing the border,sometimes we catch the same one 5 or more times in one day. Look up how much money we send to Mexico in aid every year and you will be shocked, Billions of dollars go down there every year. If we started deducting money for every illegal the Mexican gov. would have a military gun every 20 yards. Problem solved. "

    first svian wrote on Jul 13, 2008 6:21 AM:

    " hmmm, you are absolutely correct, that is the only way anything will ever change...and the only way to accomplish that is to not vote for anyone who is currently in office. "

    hmmm wrote on Jul 12, 2008 9:20 PM:

    " Our Federal Government won't get off its duff until we vote out all of the incumbants and start with a freshmen class of Congressmen and Senators. "

    Old Marine wrote on Jul 12, 2008 3:56 PM:

    " Bob, I support what you submitted on July 11th. I believe our Government must come up with a good plan for foreign workers like we had in the early 1960's. I remember when we had such a successful program. They are willing to work for jobs that the average US citizen will not apply. When will our federal Government get off its duff and pass legislature that will help these willing workers to come to our country legally to apply for these jobs? "

    Bob wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:07 PM:

    " (continued) Between the border issues, watching our government at work, and our energy policy, I'm embarassed to say I'm an American. We look like fools to the rest of the world. Until the American people wake up and demand our government to address these issues we are a country that is doomed to fail. "

    Bob wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:01 PM:

    " American businesses hire the workers that cross from Mexico, 95% of these businesses are small businesses owned by common people. They hire the mexican workers because we as Americans have been become lazy and won't take these jobs. It's all supply and demand, if there was no need for workers or no one would hire them, then no one would cross. Same goes for drugs, we as Americans have the problem, if there was no demand, then only a fool would try to bring and sell drugs in our country. We need a sensible imigration policy. "

    For Future S.V. Resident wrote on Jul 11, 2008 1:11 PM:

    " On the surface here, everything is fine. You want to avoid scratching the surface though... We've got a huge out of control Meth problem in the area that no one wants to talk about, a border that is unprotected and militias running around trying to fill that vacume. If you do decide to retire here, don't be surprised if your later years are a bit more "adventurus" than you were expecting. "

    Cheyenne wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:13 AM:

    " Mark C, I've called in illegal europeans and hispanics. This is not a race or culture issue. The issue is the illegality of crossing into the USA undocumented and unwelcomed. Illegals coming here, ignoring and breaking our laws has everything to do with the resentment towards them. They are taking jobs American citizens want at lower wages, therfore driving the wages for citizens down. The competition against each other for work drives alot of them to crime. They join gangs to sell drugs, committing burglary, robbery, murder. Mark C open your eye's and ears. Look at what is happening here. "

    David wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:03 AM:

    " For "Future AZ resident": If I were me I wouldn't move here either. "

    Robert Huffman wrote on Jul 11, 2008 6:24 AM:

    " Said it before, I'll say it again. Put a soldier every 1/8th of a mile on the borders with an m-16 and a port-a-potty. tell all persons attempting to enter illegally that the legal point of entry is at a border station. shoot all persons ignoring this directive. Result=no more illegal immigrants. plain and simple. "

    To Editors Note wrote on Jul 10, 2008 9:02 PM:

    " This should have been published in the Spanish edition only. Why translate for the illegals that aren't willing to learn English? "

    AzDaveL wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:52 AM:

    " I'm certainly am willing to contact my representatives and do so on numerous occasions. This is the only weapon I have. Anyone interested can go to Congress.org to email their representatives for free or pay for a fax on many of these important issues. Other great avenues for concerned Voters are numbersusa.com and grassfire.org. If you simply do nothing we all lose. These issues are to important to do nothing. Do something today and help make a difference. "

    trinka wrote on Jul 9, 2008 9:14 PM:

    " continued.... it is about the legal issues. The argument about illegals doing the jobs american don't want, or that businesses need them is hogwash. I would rather pay slightly higher prices for things made here in the US and have lower prices for insurance and taxes because we are not having to pay for illegals to be here in the US. And before you make assumptions, I feel for those trying for a new life but it has to be the legal way. want to blame someone, blame the mexican government for not doing enough "

    trinka wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:14 PM:

    " To Mark C. I am at a loss after reading all your posts. You seem to think it is OK to come into a country illegally and thereby breaking the law, but it is OK since they are just looking for a better life. You seem to ignore the fact that it is illegal and that the strain on our country is deepening. There is nothing wrong with coming to this county legally and most people are all for that, since that is really how this country was populated. This is not a race issue, "

    Calo West wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:25 PM:

    " si no quieres que entren drogas a tu nación.NO LAS USES sabes que eres el principal consumidor de drogas del planeta.Hay una ley que se llama oferta y demanda. la conoces?
    EDITOR'S NOTE: Translated, this says: If you don't want drugs to enter your country, don't use them. Do you know that you are the main consumer of drugs on the planet? There is a law that is called supply and demand. Do you know it? "

    original first svian wrote on Jul 9, 2008 6:20 AM:

    " ILLEGAL DRIVER...those others are citizens and not changing the culture nor attempting to "give back" to that wonderful nation to the south the entrie southwest...that's why! and to "Future" perhaps you should try mexifornia! but you had better take a lot of money and speak spanish so you can shop at the mercado! "

    Future AZ resident wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 AM:

    " All of this does not bode well to someone like me who has been hoping to move to the Sierra Vista area for my so-called "Golden Years." While I understand that year-round residents are rightly concerned, stuff like this makes me think of going elsewhere. "

    Illegal Driver wrote on Jul 8, 2008 6:17 AM:

    " If all those Militias are so concernd about people breaking the law, why aren't they out there reporting speeders? There are plenty of laws broke every day by the majority of citizens, why spend all your energy on people who just want to work hard and earn enough money to take care of thier families? "

    Lee R. Chadbourn wrote on Jul 7, 2008 9:22 AM:

    " Your right Dave. The politicians in our state know what they should be doing and definitely know the voice of the people they represent, but they are all doing nothing about it. I suggest someone who knows how to do it, should organize a continuous legal demonstration on public property in front of the residences of our Representative, Senators, & Governor, forcing their hand to do something in our best interests. These legal demonstrations must go on repeatedly until we have captured the media's attention enough that will finally make our politicians work for us. "

    Illegal Speeder wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:25 PM:

    " Didn't you hear that if you are now caught speeding by a camera that it really isn't illegal? All you have to do is pay your speeding "fee or tax" and off you go. No reports, no crime, no penalty, no insurance increase. On the other hand, too many illegals have been given court dates and conveniently disappeared on the court date to go an hide somewhere else. Maybe they need to set up that system. At least it will generate some money to cover the costs. Cameras on the border? "

    hmmm wrote on Jul 6, 2008 4:28 PM:

    " Companies who hire illegals don't report them as employees and therefore don't deduct taxes from their paychecks. The company also does not pay their share of taxes on that paycheck. We have Americans who don't want to do the work because we give them money for not working through welfare checks. Eliminate welfare and there may be no unemployment issues. Agreed that we still may need foreign workers to keep up with the job demands, but that's why we have work visas. We shouldn't condone slave labor and should punish companies that practice this. "

    Citizen wrote on Jul 6, 2008 4:10 PM:

    " Continued...for the first commission of any such offense (illegal entry) shall, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. Title 18 of the US Code is Crimes and Criminal Procedures. Section 1325 also lists civil penalties; however, if you read a bit closer it states: "Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. "

    Citizen wrote on Jul 6, 2008 4:08 PM:

    " To "Mark C", actually if you read section 1325 under Title 8 of the US Code, you will find the following: Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated...(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the US by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact.
    These crimes are punishable by prison up to 6 months or fines under Title 18. Title 18 are lists of Criminal fines. Continued... "

    original first svian wrote on Jul 6, 2008 3:03 PM:

    " Mark C, so what the innocently stumbled over the border, got in a car did high speed through our strrets and are hiding in a house in Phoenix ...because they did not realize they had left Mexico..where that type of thing is accepted? not a mistake, a blatant disregard for the laws of another nation...we need to change it from tresspassing to "invading" and treat them as such. shoot them if the put one foot over the border, either north or south. "

    Think about it Review both sides... wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:05 AM:

    " Dave Cartun,your article is good but hardly perfect. You did not say anything about "the other GOOD side" of the illegals for the USA...some illegals give huge profit to employers. Illegals usually made all the dirty jobs that nobody wants to do. I don't think these people get any "help" from the USA, find out! Illegals leave tax money to the State and the Federal..these people is unable to claim taxes back because their illegal status. Dave, you or your family might have some of this tax money in your pockets if you are retired or disabled people! "

    Mark C. wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:02 AM:

    " I can understand why people who have never broke a law in thier lives would be upset, however I don't think I've ever met anyone who wasn't a lawbreaker. I don't see Minute Men with radar guns insuring people drive the speed limmit, so I (like many) tend to believe it isn't really about the law at all. Instead it's about sticky subjects like race and culture. "

    Mark C. wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:55 AM:

    " To Original First Svian: I would never equate being in the country illegally with being a rapist or a murderer... When you go 56 in a 55 mph zone you are breaking the law, that makes you a "lawbreaker," when somone is in the country without going through proper channels they are breaking the law as well... but they are no more "illegal" than the speeder. "

    Mark C. wrote on Jul 6, 2008 12:53 AM:

    " To Citizen: being in the country illegally is a misdemeanor... only slightly more serious than a speeding ticket and far less serious than say drunk driving unless they have previously been deported. Remember all the fuss last time they tried to make being in the country illegally a felony? Most of us think of felons as criminals, and people who commit misdemeanors as people who just made/ are making a mistake. Committing a misdemeanor shouldn't disqualify someone from entering the US legally, committing a felony... well that's another story. "

    Just in case you dont know...Aprendan un poco wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:50 PM:

    " Illegals work because americans don't want the nasty harder jobs,they might prefer to be homeless.
    Spanish titles in the stores because too much hispanic people come to USA for SHOPPING PURPOSES.
    Illegals leave too much FEDERAL & STATE WITHHOLDING taxes to USA- U might FIND OUT about it like I did!
    Yes,illegals are against the law,some are trouble makers others work hard,but all workers NEVER CLAIM TAXES because THEIR ILLEGAL STATUS.
    Some USA Companies need some illegals to make profit because they get paid to hardly survive!
    This is an answer to diverse comments. "

    Go look in a mirror wrote on Jul 5, 2008 6:50 PM:

    " Go look in a mirror "comedy" before you start pointing fingers at everyone else. Geez "

    original first svian wrote on Jul 5, 2008 6:49 PM:

    " "Marck C..do you also subscirbe to the notion that men who rape and kill young girls are also not "illegal? just what does it take for you to recognize that people who ignore laws are illegal you are correct, "God" loves us all,l however, He does demand that we obey the duly; appointed lwas of the lawnd...do you remember...give to Ceaser what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" ju;st what do you think that refer to...that we can all just do what we want in orer to secure a better life...in that cae. pleaseleave you addresssoIcancometakewhatIwant/need//// "

    Citizen wrote on Jul 5, 2008 4:01 PM:

    " To Mark C., I agree with most of what you state and the intentions behind what you state; however, those that do choose to come over the border by illegal means have made a conscious decision to break a Federal law, which is a criminal act and therefore if the laws were enforced properly would have a criminal record and therefore would not be eligible for the opportunity you suggest. "

    this is a comedy wrote on Jul 5, 2008 2:57 PM:

    " You all make me laugh. As long as you continue to blog from your lazy-boys at home then absolutely NOTHING will be done. Someone even mentioned that they need a leader to take action. Why don't you lead if you are so disgruntled? Whatever happened to protests, marching the street-- do you actually think that blogging is going to save the day? Do you really think you are doing your part? I have never seen such blatant discrimination against PEOPLE in my life. Gimme a Break. "

    Jim wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:33 PM:

    " It is about time to finally see an article worth discussing from the Herald. Blunt Truth is what we need, hopefully something will change. December 2012, will probably be the time when real change will finally happen. "

    Sierra Vista Visitor wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:08 AM:

    " How many were out on the road? And I imagine you went by during the day, correct. This is not the time most of the slime balls try to get their illegal products into the US. Drive by at midnight...or are you scared of the dark? "

    do-gooder wrote on Jul 4, 2008 5:01 PM:

    " "The do-gooder side of us lets our empathy or sympathy get in the way of common and fiscal sense." Sometimes doing what's right doesn't result in a direct and immediate advantage for us. The world needs more do-gooders though, not less... my favorite "do-gooder" is Jesus. I think we could all stand to be a bit more like him. "

    Mark C. wrote on Jul 4, 2008 4:25 PM:

    " They are called migrants because they are migrants. While some humans break the law, no human is illegal. Those migrants who come here in search of a better life are my brothers and sisters; their immigration status does not compromise, limit or suspend their basic human rights. We do need a secure border, harsh penalties for those who employ undocumented migrants and an immigration policy that enables all migrants, without criminal records, who want to come here and work the opportunity to do so. We don't need the fascist cultural fear propaganda though, that's not helping anyone. "

    Iris wrote on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 AM:

    " A reasonable request!
    And I know many of you contributing authors are doing what you can beside 'authoring' LTEs. Unfortunately, the average citizen has no idea what is happening and will continue to be sublimely ignorant until their homes are invaded and that may not be too far away. I have been involved in stopping the onslaught for over 10 years now..and many more people in the United States are now aware, bu it is not enough..and all they do is talk. We have most of the POWER working against us. Join www.technopatriots.com and help. "

    what so demeaning about the truth wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:46 AM:

    " It's not demeaning to point out the truth. This isn't kindergarten and it doesn't do much good to say 'Go Readers! You're doing so much to help!' when in fact we, as a whole, are doing nothing but wallowing in the muck of apathy. I, too, doubt we'll do anything. "

    To Larry wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 AM:

    " And you know that 40% of illegal drugs come through AZ how? The Herald should not post uneducated comments with made up numbers! Larry we will never know that number? In order to know that number we would have to catch every illegal shipment. Get Real! "

    Jay wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 AM:

    " Your very negative and demeaning conclusion will likely detract from any effectiveness the rest of your letter may have had. "

    Larry Talbot wrote on Jul 2, 2008 7:43 AM:

    " When 40% of the illegal drugs coming into this country arre coming through Arizona, I don't see Border Security as an Immigration issue. We need to secure our borders to stop the drug trade, period. Getting distracted by the immigration issue only helps the drug dealers. "

    born raised wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:31 PM:

    " This article is fantastic. What surprises me is the lack of comments from people that oppose this opinion. Have the pro-illegals not seen it yet? I am in agreeance with most Americans, but I ask ... What can I/We do? letter writing? parades? rallys? We need a leader, someone to direct us. Because it seems to me that most of us are of the same opinion. Local Leader...any volunteers? If we start it here, it will spread. "

    Old Marine wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:48 AM:

    " Dave Catun, I have commented on knowing Lary Elkins and my surprise on his comments on this subject. I also knew Ken Thomas when I lived in Bisbee. It's good to get back to Bisbee to read the comments added by JB. My wife and I plan to get back to Bisbee to visit the long-going July 4th parade and visit daughters families while we are there. "

    I wonder about Spanish translations too wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " I have to wonder why we have so many things in Spanish, too. Do we think we are doing anyone a favor by making it easy for them not to learn the language of the country they are in? We really need to quit enabling these people; they'll never get anywhere with this kind of 'help.' Or maybe that's the plan? We don't want them to get anywhere so we'll always be assured of having a subculture we can take advantage of? If we really cared, we'd insist they learn English before doing anything else. "

    so what can we do wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:58 AM:

    " The thing is, immigration reform won't do much. The vast majority coming here don't want jobs, they don't want there to be a record of their activities. They would come sneaking over no matter how favorable to immigrants our policies were. Mexico in particular depends on the illegal trade (both human and drugs), it's a huge, lucrative business. You think they want that stopped? They'll do everything in their power to see that their livelihood is protected, and they have the active support of their leaders. "

    W. Gregan wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:54 AM:

    " Very good article. If employers were looking at this problems like concerned citizens we would have a lot less of problem than we do. Hire American, that should be everyones motto, and yes that means you may have to pay more for labor. But in the long run we will all pay less. "

    Sierra Vista Resident wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:52 AM:

    " To 'Concerned Citizen'...
    Unfortunetely, it will not stop till someone from a special family is injured. Last week, one of El Paso area US Representative Sylvester Reyes (best mayor Juarez Mexico ever had)relative was kidnapped in Juarez. He used his influence to get them released. But, he is still against a border fence, and pro-illegal immigrant. And still he keeps getting elected by the Mexican population there in El Paso. Corruption is a way of life in Mexico and the illegals want to incorporate it here in the US. "

    Ron wrote on Jun 30, 2008 11:16 AM:

    " Why is there a Spanish section on this site? "

    Langer wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:40 AM:

    " Unfortunately, contacting our elected officials with our concerns and demands seems to be a waste of time. We get replies that advise us of their "better" ideas. With all the lobbyists and their money in DC, (the most moneyed being the Chambers of Commerce) there is enough to pay over $5 million in those bribes called campaign contributions to each and every Congressperson to spit on true patriot voters. I wish I could say otherwise, but our nation has been sold out by those we elect to serve our interests. What a sad, sad situation. "

    Concerned Citizen wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:59 AM:

    " I say it on a daily basis. Put our military on the border armed. Give them orders to shoot. This is the ONLY way the flow of ILLEGALS will stop. It would only take a couple of them being shot to stop the flow. It would get back to the Mexican people that America is finally getting serious. Whatever happend to the good old days when America was not afraid to defend itself? "

    Stop the Insanity wrote on Jun 30, 2008 6:48 AM:

    " I completely agree with you, Dave. To your suggestions, I would add that we need to vote out people like Giffords who are pro-illegal. Put employers out of business who repeatedly hire illegals, cut ALL social services (medical, education, welfare), repeal the anchor baby law, and immediately void tax exemptions to religious organizations who aid, abet, and harbor illegals. Untie the Border Patrol's hands for dealing with these criminals (and free Ramos & Compean). I wish the many Americans who are against illegal immigration would take to the streets with the American flag to protest our government's imeptitude. "

    Sierra Vista Visitor wrote on Jun 30, 2008 2:18 AM:

    " Let's add to the list: When an illegal of a country is caught in this country, that takes a spot away from the legal entry list. sooner or later the honest people of that country will rebel! "

    Witness to History wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:28 AM:

    " I am astonished. There are actually living, breathing AMERICANS in Bisbee! I've been under the impression all these years that all Bisbee residents were starving artist socialists and gay rights activists. Whoa! I owe the city of Bisbee an apology. As a former Cochise County resident with children still in the area - I am concerned with the border issues. As a resident of the "Little United Nations" area of south Nashville, Tennessee - I see it daily at my local Mexican Bus Station.
    Great article, Dave. Thanks! "

    KCS wrote on Jun 29, 2008 11:23 PM:

    " Just finish the fence. "

    Old Marine wrote on Jun 29, 2008 9:49 PM:

    " Larry Elkins, I am surprised but pleased with your comments. I knew you well when I lived in Bisbee. JB, my daughter and her in-laws have lived on the border most of their lives. They continuously are plagued by illegal border crossers who trash their properties. They also call Border Patrol and other law enforcements whenever they spot illegals coming through their properties. It has been a continuous process of trying to control the problems. "

    Mickey Mathis wrote on Jun 29, 2008 11:32 AM:

    " Thank you for the great article. 545 people in Washington have given away our country to Mexico-South, while fat, lazy Americans have slept. Only American citizens who believe we are worth it, willing to get off their dope and duffs, can salvage what is left. Don't look for any answers in Washington. Look to your City Council and Mayor, and demand they take action. "

    kodos wrote on Jun 29, 2008 9:10 AM:

    " I am right with you. I am so tired of this. We are not helping anyone by allowing these illegals to our rights, that men and women of our nation fought and died for. to allow someone to break laws that we would be sentence to time and money for is insane. I have to pay for everything I have, and it is hard enough for most people, and to see that these illegals get everything for free, while breaking into our homes. "

    Totally Agree wrote on Jun 29, 2008 8:26 AM:

    " Dave, you said it all! "

    JB wrote on Jun 29, 2008 7:30 AM:

    " I totally agree with everything in this article, with the exception that I don't understand the problem. I do understand and I do try to do something about it. I write to Ms Giffords and implore her to do more about illegals. When I see a group that appears to be illegals, I call the BP and track them until the BP arrive. But, I am only one of many who are trying to stop the invasion. It's up to our law enforcers to enforce the laws already in place!! "

    skeptical wrote on Jun 29, 2008 7:14 AM:

    " Nice overview of points made over and over again the past several years by many people, including think-tanks, legislators, academicians, businessmen, border-area landowners and ordinary citizens. Unfortunately, I see nothing new herein that might catch the eyes of legislators and/or the electorate, the latter being so demoralized about the illegal immigration issue that they've almost thrown in the towel. What is lacking is a strong leader who is willing, like Teddy Roosevelt, just 'get er done.' "

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