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Bee explains timing of bill to ban gay marriage in AZ

California Supreme Court decision adds to urgency of situation

By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Published/Last Modified on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 05:31:10 am MST

PHOENIX — A new California Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriages in that state is adding fuel to the push here for a constitutional ban.

But the one man who can put that issue up for a final vote to send it to the ballot in November has so far not done that — and is refusing to commit to do so.

Senate President Tim Bee, R-Tucson, acknowledged Thursday he is the prime sponsor of one version of a measure to constitutionally define marriage in Arizona as solely between one man and one woman. And a bill with identical language was approved earlier this week by the House.

But Bee has so far failed to put the measure on the Senate calendar for its action — the only thing standing in the way of sending the issue to voters. Nor is he guaranteeing that he ever will bring the measure to the Senate.



“Decisions about ballot measures will be made toward the end of (legislative) session, after the budget’s complete,” he said. Bee said Republican legislative leaders have to review all of the active proposals to put issues before voters.

“We decide which measures will have the support to get through, which items will have the financial support, what the opposition’s going to look like,” he said.

But Bee said the decision is not affected by his congressional bid to unseat incumbent Democrat U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

That congressional district, which stretches from Marana and the east side of Tucson through eastern Santa Cruz County and all of Cochise County, may be more tolerant of gay rights than some other parts of the state: It was represented for more than 20 years by Rep. Jim Kolbe who is gay.

The issue took on added importance Thursday when California’s high court, in a 4-3 decision, ruled gays are constitutionally entitled to the same rights as heterosexual couples, including the right to wed.

“Our state now recognizes that an individual’s capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person does not depend on the individual’s sexual orientation, and, more generally, that an individual’s sexual orientation — like a person’s race or gender — does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights,” California Chief Justice Ronald George wrote for the majority.

“In view of the substance and significance of the fundamental constitutional right to form a family relationship, the California Constitution properly must be interpreted to guarantee this basic civil right to all Californians, whether gay or heterosexual, and to same-sex couples as well as opposite-sex couples,” George said.

“The California decision shows exactly why a constitutional amendment is needed to protect and secure a definition of marriage in Arizona,” said Cathi Herrod. She is the president of the Center for Arizona Policy which has as its mission “strengthening the family and restoring traditional moral principles to the public policy and cultural arenas.”

“Let’s let the people of Arizona decide the public policy of Arizona, not the judges, not the politicians,” Herrod said.

Herrod acknowledged the Arizona Court of Appeals, faced with an identical legal challenge, ruled there is no constitutional right of gays to wed in this state. That decision was upheld, without comment, by the Arizona Supreme Court.

But she pointed out there are new justices on this state’s high court. And she said just one judge can make a difference, citing that 4-3 ruling in California.

Herrod said Bee and House Speaker Jim Weiers “both committed to support the marriage amendment and refer it to the ballot in February, before it was introduced.” Weiers has fulfilled his part of the deal, getting the measure out of his chamber on a 33-25 margin.

“I expect President Tim Bee to keep his word,” she said. “This is an issue that unites Arizonans. The majority of Arizonans agree on the definition of marriage as being a union of one man and one woman, and we expect the Senate to put it on the ballot.”

Herrod said the votes are there.



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    SVH EDITOR wrote on Jun 3, 2008 7:38 AM:

    " Due to the lack of new issues being brought up, the blogs on this story are now closed. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on Jun 1, 2008 10:53 AM:

    " Homosexual Christian. You cannot be a homosexual Christian because Christians believe homosexuality is WRONG. You really are reading way too much into the bible and seeing what you want to see. Cain and Abel's lovers quarrel? Give me a break. I will never accept homosexuality because it is morally wrong and disgusting. You gays are trying to push this crap upon decent people and the problem is we have been letting you get away with it but now it is time to stop. I say no to gay marriage, period. "

    Amanda wrote on May 31, 2008 9:07 AM:

    " So should we now ban heteros that do not want or can't have children from getting married? You people are just getting silly now! "

    Homosexual Christian wrote on May 31, 2008 3:46 AM:

    " The Bible encourages homosexuality all throughout. Jonathan and David- boyfriends. Why do you think Jesus hung out with 12 MEN for three years? Cain and Abel- Lover's quarrel. It wasn't until King James got a hold of the Bible that he added the "anti-homosexuality" verses himself. Insest is also O.K. The Bible promotes and teaches it all throughout. What do you think Adam and Eve's kids did? Mary and Martha? You all are so caught up in your bigotry you miss all of this. Open your mind- Accept Christ and homosexuality now. "

    male wrote on May 30, 2008 5:16 PM:

    " i hang out with gays (not many) but i think that it is not right, they are good people but they are a crooked road not straight. and plus they cannot make babies, and that is not right i think female is right "

    female Bigot wrote on May 30, 2008 1:09 PM:

    " Ref Hereford Resident- It also fits into the same category as prostitution.
    My challenge- why are heteros considered "straight" and gays not? Do you walk a "straight" path or a "crooked" one? "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 30, 2008 12:54 PM:

    " Advocate, So you are saying that gays can push their morals on us? What you just wrote was hypocracy. What you are saying it is ok for all these wierdos to push their immoral practices on us but yet it is not ok for us to protest it. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 30, 2008 12:51 PM:

    " Kerry, Where did I ever say that it would impede my civil rights? You keep saying that but I never said that. I think you need to learn to read before posting. "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 30, 2008 11:46 AM:

    " Oh, and by the way, I'm sure there are several things that you (i.e. anybody) may disagree with, but I don't have any problems listening to others' opinions on the subject. We should encourage sharing ideas so that we may view things in new ways. Just from this discussion, I can understand the opposing argument, but I would like to hear more from anybody else who might disagree. And thank you for the support, sierravistan. I'm just glad to help. "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 30, 2008 11:26 AM:

    " I'm sure that if you did think about it more, you'll see that each of those cases does end up hurting somebody: multiple wives because it's almost impossible to share "love" equally; children because they do not yet know the consequences of sex with an adult; animals because it can be considered a form of abuse. Gay marriage is always between consenting adults, and I'm sure that they would love each other just like any other couple. Obviously, if they did care about each other, I can't foresee any more abuse than a "normal" marriage. "

    My challenge wrote on May 30, 2008 10:58 AM:

    " Gay advocates. Give me a response (other than the weak attempt by "Advocate")to my challenge posted on May 29th at 5:07 pm. BY NOT RESONDING DIRECTLY TO THE POINTS MADE IN THAT POST YOU WILL HEREBY ACKNOWLEGE THAT THE POINT BEING MADE IN THAT POST IS CORRECT AND THAT INCEST AND HOMOSEXUALITY DO INFACT FALL INTO THE SAME MORAL CATEGORY. "

    To Advocate wrote on May 30, 2008 10:50 AM:

    " Every body makes their own morals? Well then I guess there is nothing to fault Hitler after all he was just making his own morality right? Who am I to judge? I have as much of a right to judge as you do. Who are you to judge me? You just judged me as a bigot for not agreeing with you. Push my morals on you? Are you immoral that you would have to defend against that or are you also actually pushing you morals on us? "

    Kerry wrote on May 30, 2008 10:41 AM:

    " @Hereford Res: It is interesting that a Kid understands the legal issues and you don't. You say that gay marriage will lead to legal incest, polygamy, animal sex, and probably something else. However, you have no proof. You just say these things out of fear and ignorance. I can actually PROVE you are wrong: Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, South Africa,Massachusetts. All have gay marriage and no laws for the calamities you predict. So show me proof of your statements. "

    Kerry wrote on May 30, 2008 7:43 AM:

    " @Hereford Resident: I did want to add that I think you are perfectly within your rights to oppose Gay Marriage. However, your simple disagreement with the idea does not impede on any of your civil rights. You may want to read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 30, 2008 5:58 AM:

    " Just a Kid. By all your definitions and by what every pro-gay person here has said since none of those people are hurting each other they should be legal too. Don't you see our point. You are picking and choosing what is wrong and what isn't. Being gay is wrong just like incest, animal sex, and polygamy is wrong. You guys cannot come up with any argument of why being gay is so right. Plain and simple it fits in the same categories as incest, animal sex, and polygamy. "

    original sierravistan wrote on May 30, 2008 3:35 AM:

    " To Just a Kid; Well written, on behalf of Cheyenne any myself we thank you for putting it on the table. "

    To My Challenge wrote on May 30, 2008 12:20 AM:

    " Well, if they wanna marry someone in the family, they won't have to go to the DMV and change their license. They already know their in-laws. They can use the monogram towels after they divorce. Practical reasons abound. "

    The Advocate wrote on May 29, 2008 10:18 PM:

    " Dear Challenger: Everybody makes his/her own morality. What's right and moral for you isn't what's right and moral for me. What's right and moral for somebody else might not be right and moral for me. If someone wants to have sex with or marry his brother let him. THIS IS AMERICA NOT SAUDI ARABIA. You my freind need to be more open to the morality of others and not be a closed minded biggot. Shut your Bible and your mouth. Who are you to judge? Who are you to push your morals on me?!? "

    Kerry wrote on May 29, 2008 9:20 PM:

    " @incest questions: Would I personally support marriage between family members? Yes, as long as it is consenting adults and was practiced often in the Old Testament.
    If they can prove to a judge they are mentally competent, there would be no reason NOT to allow familiar marriages. I don't see it happening, do you? And how would this affect you personally?
    I think you are catastrophising the issue just to scare people. "

    Kerry wrote on May 29, 2008 9:14 PM:

    " Female, I have already showed you the evidence that gay is not an abnormal condition. It is rare, and that is different than abnormal.It exists in humans at LEAST 3-4% of the time and probably is highly unreported. This data comes from the American Psychiatric Society. Since there is no consistent cause like genes or DNA that are evident, science has no clear idea why same-sex attraction occurs. But it does occur and is considered part of life. How's that? Being gay has nothing to do with "morality". "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 29, 2008 5:24 PM:

    " I believe that gay marriage does not pose any issues that I have discussed thus far (there is no possibility of procreation), even though adopting a child could pose some issues... However, that's not the subject at hand. There is evidence to suggest that homosexuals are born that way, and that they have a choice, but there is no way to tell for sure. I have nothing to lose if two men decide to get married, and neither do you. I believe that there is no "right" or "wrong" on this issue, so I don't play it as such. "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 29, 2008 5:18 PM:

    " Sex with a minor, yes, it is wrong. A child, first of all, is not old or mature enough to consent to a sexual act, and therefore should never be put in a situation like that. A child does not understand the consequences of something like sex, and therefore cannot make a proper decision. Same with animals, although it is a different form of abuse. Polygamy, that poses some legal issues in that it is difficult to show "equality" between all partners, be it love, insurance, or inheritance. Continued... "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 29, 2008 5:14 PM:

    " I have no intention of "eroding away morality" in this country. I just believe that everybody should be entitled to live equally. I know that you're frustrated, but an ad hominem argument isn't going to do much to prove your point. There isn't any reason why we all can't remain civil and discuss this like adults. Now, I will answer your questions. First, I believe that incest is wrong because it can produce some consequences that neither parent nor child should live with (i.e. genetic defects). Continued in next post... "

    Gay Advocates- My Challenge to YOU wrote on May 29, 2008 5:07 PM:

    " ANY pro-gay people on this board PLEASE answer this. According to you, homosexuality and gay marriage are moral because they are not hurting anybody else. A person having sex with his or her siblings parents and adult children is not hurting anbody else either right? As long as they use protection. So tell me, do you think that incest is moral and/or should be legalized? How about we have a marriage between a man, his brother AND adult daughter. They are not hurting anybody so it is moral and should be legalized, right? "

    Do none of you know wrote on May 29, 2008 3:18 PM:

    " that our country is founded on the principles of minority protection under the law? Otherwise we would all be at the absolute mercy of the tyranny of the majority. So it is not really an issue of "normal" by any of your lights, religious or not. The next time you display our flag, think about this. Of what country you are so proud a member? Wipe your feet and check your baggage of hate at the door, citizen. Or move. There are other places that would welcome you. "

    t wrote on May 29, 2008 3:05 PM:

    " There are many straight couples that do things in private that I would find disgusting and freaky. The issue here shouldn't be the private aspects as much as it should be about equality for consenting adults to love and share companionship and to have the same legal rights afforded to all long-term couples. Why is it so hard for some of you to get past the sexuality part and just recognize that people love each other and want to legally and monogamously share thier lives? "

    How about this wrote on May 29, 2008 2:53 PM:

    " How about a bi-sexual? Could they now marry one of each? No, that's against the law. But, i guarantee somewhere there is a lawyer trying to find a loop hole so he or she can marry both, and the sad thing is they will get it done, probably in California. "

    Just saying wrote on May 29, 2008 2:34 PM:

    " You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Author Unknown "

    Female wrote on May 29, 2008 12:50 PM:

    " Gay peeps getting married does nothing to my civil rights, thanks to me being hetero. I'm just saying gays are freaks. Kerry, I see you haven't addressed my comparisons. You skipped right over that to my civil rights. I will stand by what I've been saying. I can get along with gays and straight, but don't try to tell me gays are normal when I know they must have been born with a missing or defective gene to make them long for the same sex. You must know that too or you're in denial. "

    PDS V wrote on May 29, 2008 12:49 PM:

    " Homosexual marriage infringes on my core beliefs. Homosexuality is totally wrong, does not add anything to further mankind, is against God and man, and does not add to the procreation of the human race. In fact it is down right sick if you stop to think about the physical aspect of it. Oh and being gay CAN not be normal...This is more to brainwash our kids into accepting the Homo agenda. There now go chew on this for awhile. "

    Amanda wrote on May 29, 2008 11:26 AM:

    " Female: *giggle* I say that since you can't get it through that we don't really care about your opinion, just as much as you don't care about mine and those who agree with me. You have every right to personally find it "immoral" or whatever else your religion deems it however, our government is in the wrong. Maybe we should abolish all marriage and make it fair if they can't allow the same for gay couples! "

    Whaddaya Know wrote on May 29, 2008 11:20 AM:

    " This is all a bunch of PC gone awry. According to the news, it's not okay for those weird white folks in Texas to have 7 wives. It is okay for practicing Black Muslims in Philly to have multiple wives, (as heard on NPR). It's okay for Gays to get married in Kalifornia, but they can't do it in New York. You're telling me that if 3-5% of any group does something, it's normal? Guess you all are a lot smarter than I am. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 29, 2008 10:13 AM:

    " Just a kid. Do you have intolerance to incest? What about polygamy? How about sex with a minor? What your young mind fails to understand is we have morals in this country that are slowly getting eroded away by liberal minded people like yourself. Apparently you are naive as you say you are because you just do not have a clue. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 29, 2008 10:10 AM:

    " Also Kerry you need to learn to actually read the posts. I never mentioned anywhere that it would affect my civil rights. That is something you liberals always bring up in just about every argument. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 29, 2008 10:07 AM:

    " Kerry. 3-5% is not normal. That is a fraction of what normal is. I guess that incest, polygamy, rape, and other immoral acts should be legal too because you say it is normal. Homosexuality is not normal no matter how much you say it is. Can two homosexuals reproduce? If it was normal then God would have given mankind the ability to asexually reproduce. So Kerry you are dead wrong thinking that gays should be able to marry. What is next legalizing poligamy? When will it stop? "

    original sierravistan wrote on May 29, 2008 9:22 AM:

    " All in all gay marriage will be legalized. As far as me be Liberal? I'm as conservative as in come. Gays come in the Liberal, Conservative, and Independent flavors. We are Moslems, Christians, and Jews. We are Fathers, Mothers, Sisters, Bothers, sons and daughters. We are the Police, Borders Patrols, EMT, Politicians and Soldiers. We are Americans. "

    Kerry wrote on May 29, 2008 5:17 AM:

    " @Hereford
    As far as gay being normal, the American Psychiatric Society has demonstrated that being gay CAN be normal as it occurs about 3-5% of the time. Consenting adults have the constitutional right to sexual privacy, as already been decided in the courts. Adults also have the constitutional right to equal access according the law. That is what the courts have decided. Morality can not be legislated. See the writings of James Madison because that is what he and others have said. "

    Kerry wrote on May 29, 2008 5:15 AM:

    " @Hereford
    Your civil rights are not legally affected by gay persons getting married. You LOSE nothing by it being allowed. You still have the right to be married. You also should study civil rights and what they actually mean. "

    Bleh wrote on May 29, 2008 3:01 AM:

    " HAHAHA! so just because you were raised by lesbians and they were loving and supported you and all this other stuff, still doesn't make it right! that's like justifying slavery! so as long as I am nice and supportive, and caregiving am I allowed to have slaves? NO! BECAUSE IT IS DOWN RIGHT WRONG! listen to you people tryig to justify atrocities! No matter how you put it, it is still nasty and wrong! "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 28, 2008 11:12 PM:

    " Oh, and last I check, Hereford, you weren't exactly an expert in the matter of relationships and orientation... ;) Your opinion means something to me, but don't expect anybody to accept it as fact. "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 28, 2008 10:57 PM:

    " I fail to see how homosexual marriage infringes on your civil rights just because you disagree with it, Hereford... It wouldn't hurt to learn some tolerance sometimes. I could easily advocate outlawing interracial marriage because I disagree with it, and that it can be considered immoral to certain intolerant individuals... It doesn't affect you in any way except for the fact that you can't just accept it. Call me a naive child, but I think that some adults need to open a window and understand that the world won't change just because they want it to. "

    The Truth wrote on May 28, 2008 10:50 PM:

    " Who advocates that homosexuality is moral because it doesn't hurt anybody? If this is the case then you you also believe polygamy is moral. That it is moral for people to have sex with thier parents, siblings, pets, and adult children. It doesn't hurt anyone else, thus it's moral, right? Having sex with a consenting 12 year old is moral too right? You said yourself that whatever is not hurting anyone else is morally right, so you also have to advocate these things as well. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 28, 2008 9:34 PM:

    " Kerry who made you the expert that said being gay is normal and right? "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 28, 2008 9:33 PM:

    " Kerry you are the typical liberal that thinks everything is ok. Well news for you, homosexuality is not normal it is immoral and should not be condoned. Now for your answer it would infringe on my civil rights because I oppose it. It is my right to oppose gay marriage. I think it is wrong and should never be allowed. MARRIAGE IS FOR 1 MAN AND 1 WOMAN. NOT 2 MEN OR 2 WOMEN, PERIOD!!! "

    Kerry wrote on May 28, 2008 5:18 PM:

    " @Hereford: So, who made you the expert on what is "moral" and what is not? You say that incest will be next, but that has not happened in any country or state that allows same-sex marriage. You state these things out of fear and nothing else. Nothing bad is going to happen over this, so get over yourself. If you don't like same-sex marriage, move to Saudi Arabia where they kill homosexuals. You'd probably like that. "

    Kerry wrote on May 28, 2008 5:12 PM:

    " @Female and Hereford Bigot:
    You still avoid my question: "What civil rights will you lose by letting same-sex marriages occur?" "

    Disturbed with my Country wrote on May 28, 2008 4:51 PM:

    " I have a simple question that no one here will answer with anything that I probably think to be correct or close to coherrent. What happened to the separation of church and state? The basics of this whole country were based on the ideas of freedom and equality, something that will never be thanks to those who decide what is natural and what is not. Homosexuality, whether choice or genetic, both being possible, should not limit the ability for those to be possible. If you are disturbed by a gay marriage, just raise your nose. You know how. "

    steve w in bisbee wrote on May 28, 2008 3:54 PM:

    " Kerry: we aren't animals or insects, and we should never be compared to them. Jesus said we are worth "many" sparrows just to give an example that we humans are worth exceedingly more to Him than animals or insects. I know that not all people are going to be saved from the wrath of God, but I just want to make sure that I can tell as many people as I can that homosexuality is deadly wrong. You can turn from it with God's help, and He WILL forgive you. Jesus loves you:) !! "

    t wrote on May 28, 2008 3:44 PM:

    " Mae, If marriage were only for people that replenish the earth, what would you say about married hetrosexual couples who are, for whatever reason, unable to have children? Should they not be allowed to fall in love and get married?
    Man+woman x no child=forbidden?
    If two gay people get married it will not have any effect on how I live my life with my spouse and kids.Many things that we do for our spouses gays are unable to. Medical decisions, Visit spouse in the hospital, pay bills, make appointments for, pick up prescriptions. Benefit of marriage is hope. "

    another Hereford resident wrote on May 28, 2008 2:52 PM:

    " Heterosexuals, Mae. If you have not learned to think past your bigotry, at least learn to spell what you see as your defining character trait. "

    Female wrote on May 28, 2008 2:29 PM:

    " *snicker* As expected, Amanda, since I don't share your point of view, "I'm" the one with the problem. Typical gay/pro-gay attitude. And it STILL doesn't change the fact that ... "

    whats going on wrote on May 28, 2008 2:06 PM:

    " A "bull dyke"???? are you serious? this conversation has gotten funny. so the ugly one in a lesbian relationship is the bull. if it's guys then the prissy one is the wife? What if it's two really hot chicks and they are both feminine, then it's acceptable. hahahaha this is to funny. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 28, 2008 1:58 PM:

    " Murphy how can a gay couple have a husband and wife when it is ILLEGAL in Arizona? Just because it is legal in 2 other states does not mean it is legal here. Call it what it is, immoral behavior that should not be condoned anywhere. "

    Murphy wrote on May 28, 2008 9:48 AM:

    " Mae, generally the larger female who is more "manly" is the husband, hence the protector. The male who is more "feminine" is the wife. The female husband is generally known as a "bull dyke". That is what I am. "

    Amanda wrote on May 28, 2008 9:20 AM:

    " Hmm my other post didn't show. Anyway, Ditto Kerry and another Hereford resident. I think maybe Female has some of her own skeletons she's bible thumping over. ;o) "

    Mae wrote on May 28, 2008 8:46 AM:

    " the world would not exist if everyone was gay. so stop trying to say it is normal and they should have same rights as hetersexuals because they should not have same rights on taxes, health, or anything different than a single person would have. I am not of hearing how many rights they should have. if they want rights become hetersexual to replenish the earth of admit they are not normal and go back in the bedroom where all sex lives belong. Marriage is for people that replinish the earth. they do not do that so shut up "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 28, 2008 8:00 AM:

    " @ Amanda: Polygamists pay taxes, so why isn't that legal? In fact they probably pay even more taxes than gays. Your argument is stupid and if that is all you can come up with is that gays pay taxes then you need to do some more research. "

    Female wrote on May 28, 2008 8:00 AM:

    " Hey Kerry, I never mentioned God, so get a grip. Pathetic excuse about consenting adults. Hey, isn't prostitution between two consenting adults also? But yet, it's downright dirty, huh? Try to rationalize homosexuality all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's freak behavior. And you expect everyone to respect what is not natural, whatever!!! "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 28, 2008 7:58 AM:

    " @ Kerry: would you jump off a bridge because someone else did? Why should Arizona follow suit just because Massachusetts and California did? You let gays marry now and then polygamy and incest will be next. Don't you see being gay is immoral and totally wrong. It does belong in the same group as what female said below. Just because you want to destroy what marriage originally was does not mean we have to put up with gays trying to take that away from us. "

    Mae wrote on May 28, 2008 6:04 AM:

    " I don't quite get it. I am not trying to make fun or anything, I would like to know in a gay marriage, how is it decided who becomes the wife or husband? "

    Sasnak wrote on May 27, 2008 7:17 PM:

    " That isnt sierravistan doing these posts. Someone else is using their ID. "

    Kerry wrote on May 27, 2008 2:28 PM:

    " Hey, Female. I guess you don't get it, do you? We are talking about what adults do, not children or animals. See, we are talking about informed choice to marry whomever you want. Yes, it will include consenting adults. Even your bible was big on incest and polygamy, right? So, stay focused, if you can, on the issue. How would you be disadvantaged by gay persons being married? Massachusetts did it. It is just a civil proceeding equal to a binding contract. Tell me what YOU lose by this and keep your god out of it. "

    Kerry wrote on May 27, 2008 2:24 PM:

    " @ Hereford Resident: If you say being gay is a choice, then so is hetrosexuality. If you say it is not natural, well, you don't know about nature. You see, there are all kinds of species that prefer the same sex as they are. And since when did you "own" matrimony?? If it is so sacred, why is it less than 50% effective? Finally, and I bet you can't answer, "What civil rights would you actually give up if gays married?" "

    another Hereford resident wrote on May 27, 2008 2:01 PM:

    " Female, relations with an animal and child are a different subjects entirely because of the issues of consent. Please tell us you do know the difference and are not just stirring the pot to get attention. Really, your comments make you sound smugly stupid as well as hateful. Equating same-sex, loving and long-term relationships with child abuse and animal abuse exists in your sick little mind, not in the culture at large. "

    Amanda wrote on May 27, 2008 12:29 PM:

    " Female: They pay taxes just like us hetero married couples, why shouldn't they get the benefit as well? That's not fair and very bias. No one says you personally have to agree with thier lifestyle and yes it IS supression! I personally don't care about the polyagmy issues, but it would be 'cheating the system' as far as taxes go. So make a rule for the tax system that you can only claim 1 spouse. Big Whoop. Consenting adults, just fine, under 18, not fine. We have these laws for a reason (continued) "

    Female wrote on May 27, 2008 10:23 AM:

    " And therefore should be accepted as part of the norm? "

    Female wrote on May 27, 2008 10:22 AM:

    " sierravistan, can you answer the question as to why bigamy, polygamy, relations with an animal and child are immoral but homosexuality isn't? "

    Herford Resident wrote on May 27, 2008 8:35 AM:

    " sierravistan, you were not born gay. You chose to be gay. You chose to be immoral. Marriage is for a man and a woman. Why must you gays take something that is sacred to heterosexual people? You are forcing your opinions on us and we are tired of taking it. I hope gay marriage never happens in Arizona. If you want it so bad, move to the immoral state of California where in a few weeks you can be as immoral as you want. "

    Wow wrote on May 27, 2008 6:54 AM:

    " So Bee is afraid to send a bill through... And he wants to be a US Representative. I think not! This guy shouldn't even be a State Representative. This guy would be better served as a lobbyist for his ultra views. "

    Shy Ann wrote on May 27, 2008 3:52 AM:

    " Constitutional Amendment is just, well wrong! "

    sierravistan wrote on May 27, 2008 12:25 AM:

    " I wouldn't know what it is to be IN the closet because I was never in it. As far as I can remember I always been gay and everyone knew it. So yes I was born gay. Everyone around me accepts that fact to include my employer and the rest of Sierra Vistans since I deal with the citizens on a daily basis. The point is Southern Arizona is a "gay friendly" area. This is why we live here and hope to marry my partner. Gay marriage needs to be legalized. "

    Recovered wrote on May 26, 2008 8:56 PM:

    " I used to be homosexual. It is not something in the genes, it something I chose to do. It was very sick and wrong. I am now happily married with 2 kids. For anybody needing help getting out of homosexuality go to this website:
    http://www.exodus-international.org/ "

    AbbyNormal wrote on May 26, 2008 11:46 AM:

    " You seem to miss the point that "gay" unions are already illegal in AZ. What the legislature wants to do is impose their will on Arizonans for perpetuity by amending the constitution. Twice already Arizonans voted down their "ban" yet they insist on shoving this down our throats again and wasting precious budgetary $$$. Do you think it fair to amend the constitution for perpetuity? Why not let future Arizonans decide what their own future should be? Would you appreciate Jim Crow laws being enforced now? Congress should work on our problems,not this. "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 26, 2008 10:16 AM:

    " Jen, you are right your children will have a right when they turn 18. Gay or not. "

    Jen wrote on May 26, 2008 5:53 AM:

    " I am sick of the gay agenda being shoved down my neck. I do not want my children associated with it whatsoever. They have a right to do what they want, but I have the right to stay completley away from it and protest it. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 25, 2008 10:47 PM:

    " And to all you that think gays would not let this pass, re-read the last paragraph that says a majority of Arizonians agree on the definition of marriage as being a union of one man and one woman. But I guess even if Arizonians voted to pass this it would get overturned by the liberal supreme court. So much for a democracy. "

    Hereford Resident wrote on May 25, 2008 10:43 PM:

    " Being gay is wrong, period. Some might think I am a bigot but sorry I would love to see two men or two women procreate without help. Being gay is unnatural and should not be condoned. Marriage is a sacred pact between a man and a woman and you gays are infringing on our right to be married. Sorry I hope Bee does get this through and hopefully it will become law. I do not want to see marriage turned into a circus like gays want it to be. "

    Female wrote on May 25, 2008 6:18 PM:

    " How can ANYONE even begin to say that same gender sex and relations are acceptable while polygamy, bigamy, with minors, animals, etc are all wrong??!! How do you justify homosexuality as being ok? Because they pay taxes? Consenting adults? Same as polygamy and bigamy. What's your logic? You can't grant benefits to more than one wife, but you think it's alright for a same sex partner? Something is very wrong here. "

    Female wrote on May 25, 2008 5:49 PM:

    " Amanda, whatever. Slaves and women's well beings were suppressed. Homosexuals are just not being completely accepted for their sexual preferences, that's all. That is THEIR choice and while people are not kicking the crap out of them like they were 15 years ago, they can't seem to appreciate that. How can you all say they should be treated equal legally? What they do behind closed doors should be just their business, not the courts, hospitals, insurance companies. But whatever, I'm just saying their sexual preference is WRONG, and so is marriage and benefits meant only for married heteros. "

    Amanda wrote on May 24, 2008 8:05 PM:

    " Female: Why can't they be compared? I think gay marriage is just as important as the right to vote. You don't have to accept it personally, but how does it effect you personally? I may not like the clothes you wear, but I still have to see you on the street/in a store/out in public with them on. Who am I to tell you how to dress? Who are we to tell adults who they can marry? I'm a heterosexual married female and am not crying for the illegals amnesty.Where does that leave us? "

    sierravistan wrote on May 24, 2008 6:30 PM:

    " To Mike: your former congressman was a gay conservative. Don't worry - be happy! (or gay) "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 24, 2008 5:16 PM:

    " I think that what most people fail to realize is that if we can't learn to accept each other, then the world will never truly be at peace. I'm a 17 year old atheist, and yet I have no qualms with religion or spirituality in any way. I think that a variety of different backgrounds is great, in that each one of us is able to represent so many great things about society. The great thing about this country is that anybody can be who they want, and that nobody should stop them. "

    c wrote on May 24, 2008 11:12 AM:

    " Gays can and should do whatever they want in the PRIVACY of their own homes. "

    Lisa wrote on May 24, 2008 10:28 AM:

    " So the "butch" has the appearances of a man? It sounds to me like the femme is really attracted to men and won't admit it. As a straight woman I can tell you that I would not be attracted to a man who wears make-up, pantyhose, dresses and wigs. "

    Military Guy wrote on May 24, 2008 10:21 AM:

    " Gays in the Military- I agree with you but I think you meant "Barracks" not dorms. Dorms are separate rooms where people actually have privacy. Most barracks we have are wide open rooms with shared showers. (This is why I agree with your point) There would be no way to ever make boot camp, for one, work. "

    Mike wrote on May 24, 2008 8:39 AM:

    " To sierravistan. Keep telling yourselve that if it makes you feel better. You are in the minority and the majority is getting tired of being regulated by people like you. We conservatives are fed up. "

    Female wrote on May 24, 2008 8:38 AM:

    " Already accepted gays, huh? No one has to accept what is not natural and that does not make us bigots, just traditional. I bet the people bashing anti-gay marriage opinions are either gay or are the same bleeding hearts who cry justice for illegals. Homosexual trials and tribulations should not be compared to slavery and women's rights, PUHLEASE!! It irks me when you people say we HAVE to accept gays or WE are the ones with the problem. The only problem is that our country and world is turning into a circus because of "tolerance." "

    Kerry wrote on May 24, 2008 5:39 AM:

    " @Iris: Funny you should make false claims that gay couples "harm children" I wonder if you could provide evidence for that statement? I think not because there is none. In fact, the evidence is clearly not in your favor. http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpconclusion.html/ This, of course is based on science, which has no place in your religious bigotry laden heart. "

    Barry wrote on May 23, 2008 10:37 PM:

    " There is a reason God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. "

    To Opinion wrote on May 23, 2008 7:46 PM:

    " You say all men are created equal. I beg to differ, most of us men like sex with a woman, not a man. "

    Gays in the Military wrote on May 23, 2008 7:01 PM:

    " Who's flattering themselves? There would be many lawsuits flying with this. It doesn't matter if anybody is checking somebody else out, the mere perception is enough for a lawsuit. This is the same reason they don't have co-ed dorms. Are you for co-ed dorms? Just tell the ladies that who don't like it "Don't flatter yourself"? That's why Clinton would only go as far as "Don't ask don't tell". He wanted to help homosexuals but he knew the legal issues the government would get bogged down in had he gone all the way with this. It's impractical, period. "

    Amanda wrote on May 23, 2008 6:18 PM:

    " For all of you "think of the children!" people, I've got a news flash; your children see a lot worse in society, on TV, in movies and games.. etc. unless you come from special cult compounds =o) "

    DAUGHTER OF A LESBIAN wrote on May 23, 2008 3:33 PM:

    " My mom and her partner have been together for many years and I'm happy for them. If they were able to legally commit to each other that would be awsome. Iris, having a mom who's gay, she's not being thoughtless! I'm very lucky to have TWO people-WHO LOVE EACH OTHER to care and support me. Isn't that what a parent's relationship should be for their child? I'm an honor student, I dance, I play sports, I have a lot of friends. I am not a "victim" of their relationship! I am LUCKY and PROUD to be a part of it! "

    Mark C. wrote on May 23, 2008 3:14 PM:

    " Reasonable people managed to defeat Prop 107 and reasonable people will defeat this bill as well. It's always a pleasure watching Arizonans defeat this kind of bigotry. "

    Could care less wrote on May 23, 2008 2:37 PM:

    " What you do in the privacy of your own home is fine with me but because I don't accept a man on man or woman on woman I am a bigot? I don't think so! If you are all so proud, why are you hiding? I don't see you holding hands at the local grocery store or Applesbee's , Chile's, ect. If someone was to stare or comment, it would be perfect timeing to defend your lifestyle to those who are considered bigots. Maybe you should try that approach! "

    Yawn wrote on May 23, 2008 11:07 AM:

    " Gay Marriages, bigamy,(many wives with bad hairdo's and long dresses), it's all the same. No wonder kids are confused. I think all of this is a personal matter. What you do, with whom is your business, not mine. Just think what it would be like if the 95% straight people walked around and got equally obnoxious? This whole non-issue is BORING to the rest of us. Quit being a victim, get over yourself, and have a wonderful life. NEXT! "

    Not Pro Not Con wrote on May 23, 2008 10:44 AM:

    " Why do Arizona's legislators feel they have to mimic everything California does anyway? "

    sierravistan wrote on May 23, 2008 10:43 AM:

    " Do you know that society has already accepted gays and it's only a few bigots out there? Reading the previous entries one can see that the gay bashers is just a tiny few. Gay supporters are a majority in not just Sierra Vista but the rest of the United States. God Bless America and help people like Steve W. "

    Iris Lynch wrote on May 23, 2008 8:28 AM:

    " Gay marriage is a bad idea as it has a serious effect on children. Obviously, gays cannot have children of their own without getting either an egg or a spermatozoa from some other person. Marriage has always been supported by the state specifically to provide two parents of children to insure the care and raising of those children. Bringing children specifically into a pretend-marriage 'relationship' in order to make REAL a dream held by two romantic gays is absolutely thoughtless of the children who may be innocent victims of their narcisism. Think of the children! "

    Opinion wrote on May 23, 2008 6:25 AM:

    " To Steve W. What happened to the separation of church and state? Religion should have nothing to do with this, or any other political/government decision. "With liberty and Justice for all". . . "all men are created equal." Apparently not....religion view SHOULD HAVE NOTHING to do with government and the decision made. Our government is designed that way for a purpose. Because religion usually doesn't allow for tolerance...and inclusion. "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 23, 2008 12:36 AM:

    " Forgive me for being a bit sarcastic, but I still think that it's wrong to judge somebody based on orientation. There is a difference between drug addicts and homosexuals: One group is visibly capable of harming society, while the other is not. Even if little kids giggle at same sex relationships, what does it matter? Kids always laugh at those who are "different," whether or not their victims are smart or unusual or gay: Welcome to society: Leave your uniqueness at the door and try to live to everybody else's standards. Why can't we all just accept each other? "

    Just a Kid wrote on May 23, 2008 12:23 AM:

    " Female, I don't really understand why one would have such a problem with gay relationships. If your argument for gay marriage not being "normal" is that it has to be legalized, then perhaps you should take a look at about 230 years of legislation in this country and figure out what isn't "normal" today. Yep, women's suffrage, outlawing of slavery, might as well have just stuck to tradition and not changed a thing! After all, anything that goes against the accepted norm is bad, right? "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 22, 2008 10:41 PM:

    " Steve W; Thanks for inspiring me, now I will talk to a CATHOLIC Priest and see what he has to say.
    Female; you use laws as weight what is normal? Okay then go to Saudi and use there laws. Kids giggle? So they see gay people, I hope it's not the ones you know (relatives).
    FACT: We will still be in Sierra Vista and our Outreach Center will welcome you with open arms to educate you.
    "

    Amanda wrote on May 22, 2008 9:18 PM:

    " Curious Guy: they're still roomed the same. Many may also tell you not to 'flatter yourself' with the fear of being eye candy. This is just ridiculous now with you people! How do you know the guy in line next to you isn't gay and checking you out? Jeeze! get over yourself! When will people understand; telling a member of the same sex you're not interested is just the same as telling the opposite sex. "

    steve w in bisbee wrote on May 22, 2008 1:15 PM:

    " Romans 1:27 reads: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their [desire] one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    Read: Genesis 19:5, Leviticus 18:22, Judges 19:22, 1 Kings 14:24.
    Then read Mark 16:15-16: And He (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Please turn to Jesus! "

    Still female wrote on May 22, 2008 9:09 AM:

    " Curious Guy, good question. Females are roomed with females. Males, males. My question is, do you put a straight male with a gay male? They use the same bathroom and kitchen. Or do you put a gay male with a straight female? Or a gay male with a gay female? Or let them have special privileges and have the whole place to themselves! "

    Murphy wrote on May 22, 2008 8:50 AM:

    " Normal? What is normal in todays world? I feel I'm as normal as I can get. I know I can be a hateful, vindictive snake in the grass. I also have my good point. But I digress, I do not follow the mainstream way of life or thinking. It works for me. "

    Female wrote on May 22, 2008 7:38 AM:

    " that does not make US the bad guys. It looks like you may be the one track minders, blasting us because we post our anti-gay marriage opinions on public boards. If gay marriage is approved, more power to you (hint: another sign it's not "normal", needs legalization). I'm just saying it's not right.
    P.S. don't be offended when little kids voice their disgust loudly or giggle at same sex public displays (another sign that it's not normal). Oh, that's right, it would be the parents fault for not instilling in them that gays are "normal". "

    Female wrote on May 22, 2008 7:27 AM:

    " Gay is NOT normal! If it were, you wouldn't have to concieve children in alternate ways. I do know gay people. However, they have an alternate lifestyle and society shouldn't have to conform to them because "everyone has an equal right to happiness". Get real folks, if my happiness was using drugs, you think you may be able to change laws and accept my ways? It ain't hurting you, as I'd have a job to support my love. And it'd be normal in MY world. Because people do not support gay accomodations---> "

    In Iraq and gay wrote on May 22, 2008 1:27 AM:

    " Mr McMurphy
    1st: You’re welcome
    2nd: I understand your views,and
    Sir, you are correct, tolerance works both ways, Gays are not asking for endorsement, we are asking to simply be treated as “equal members of one human family” nothing special, just “equal members of one human family”
    "

    Curious Guy wrote on May 21, 2008 11:18 PM:

    " How would the military work boot camp if they got rid of "don't ask don't tell" and allowed gays to serve openly? I wouldn't be comfortable showering and getting changed in front of a woman and also wouldn't be comfortable doing so in front of a homosexual. You can't put gays in with the women because straight guys would be flocking to claim to be gay just for the opportunity to bunk with the ladies. A "gays only" barracks would be as awkward and problematic as straight guys and girls bunking together (Sexual Harrassment suits, etc.) "

    craigslist is FABUUUULLLLOUUUUS wrote on May 21, 2008 11:15 PM:

    " Hey I have a tip for all of you: go see the new SV craigslist for m4m! We're EVERYWHERE!!!! "

    Curious Guy wrote on May 21, 2008 10:23 PM:

    " I have heard (and seen) that in some lesbian relationships there is the "Butch" and there is the "Femme". The butch is the one with more manly qualities (extremely short hair, jeans and belt, no make-up, flanel shirts, etc.) and the femme has the traditional feminine qualities (make-up, skirts, feminine hairstyles, etc). I have question. If the femme is truly sexually attracted to women, why do their women have to have masculine qualities? I am attracted to women too and I don't like them looking like men. Why would they?
    "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 21, 2008 9:35 PM:

    " I would like to ask an honest question, not to debate or argue. What do you think of the gay pride parades that they show on T.V.? I see things in these that would frighten me even if they were straight people. People wearing nothing but leather and studs, etc. If I were wanting to make a pitch to society for acceptance that is not where I'd start. Why not just average people. Is it simply a case of the media or other people with an agenda presenting it this way? "

    GoGo wrote on May 21, 2008 9:22 PM:

    " Whats going on here? By reading the below entries I see Sierra Vista is turning into a Trashy San Francisco. But in reality its not. The below postings is baloney. Sierra Vista does not have a gay community, there wont be gay bars or outreach centers. The citizens of Sierra Vista will see to it. Oh by the way there are no gay votes that Bee has to be concerned about. "

    sierravistan wrote on May 21, 2008 4:17 PM:

    " To Female, here are some facts:
    Kids are watching surf the net, mtv, myspace, and television.
    Gay is in the dictionary.
    Gay is accepted in this community.
    Gay is in the military.
    Gay is in the clergy.
    One or more of your relatives is Gay.
    Their are gay politicians.
    Gay is normal.
    You're single for another reason.
    etc.
    "

    Amanda wrote on May 21, 2008 3:33 PM:

    " Female: If it bothers you that much, change the channel, don't go to a pride rally, and avert your eyes if you see a couple holding hands on the street just the same as you may! If you have kids, be honest with them and say what it is without putting a bias on it. Let your kids form their own opinions- they're going to anyway! "

    Amanda wrote on May 21, 2008 3:28 PM:

    " Tolerance: I agree with you 100%. Dare we talk about all of the catholics and their what was closet behaviors? Or how about the morons and their polygamy?? Where oh where to begin?! =o) "

    Amanda wrote on May 21, 2008 3:27 PM:

    " Forced upon me: So it's OK to force heterosexuality upon homosexual, berate them and tell them they're wrong and evil? Somehow a marriage license and ceremony, just the same as we have, somehow "forces something" on you? Get over yourself already! Trust me, you're probably not that important to the gay community anyway! "

    Amanda wrote on May 21, 2008 3:23 PM:

    " nor do I protest, hold rallies and signs saying how evil they are for not agreeing with me and. They simply mind their own business. It doesn't effect them either way if a gay couple were to marry or not. They have an opinion, but who are they to tell someone who to marry and who not? The "evil haters" of religion are the ones bombing each other for not believing in their way, ones killing each other over some stupid story in a book- whichever you prefer. Maybe you should reexamine your comment. "

    Amanda wrote on May 21, 2008 3:20 PM:

    " Randle Patrick McMurphy: My statement "religion is evil" was made for a number of reasons, just not over the hypocritical statement of "god loves everyone". I DO NOT love everyone in the world. it doesn't mean I hate them, but why do i have to love them? I'm not ashamed of that or my lack of religion. For the record I do love people who do not support gay marriage. Most of them are in "late late adulthood" IE: 70's onward. I'm better because I don't make an issue of their opinions (cont..) "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 21, 2008 9:01 AM:

    " To In Iraq- "Intolerance" goes both ways. Many homosexuals and certain freinds and family will not tolerate anybody who disagrees with homosexuality. Though I identify myself with my faith, I am freinds with people who disagree with my Christian views. You don't have to agree with everything a person says or does. You shouldn't be forced to accept my faith and I shouldn't be forced to endorse your lifestyle. That's why it's called "tolerance". Again both "intolerance" and "tolerance" goes BOTH ways.

    BTW- Thank-you.
    "

    To Female wrote on May 21, 2008 8:32 AM:

    " Your thought about "no one has to "accept" or "tolerate" anything they don't agree to, especially if it's not the norm." Is the same sentiments the whites had in South against the Blacks, the same thought about interacial marriage, the same thought about inclusion of disabled, ....I could go on. You are narrow minded in a society that is becoming broad minded. I feel sorry for your kids - they would be afraid to tell you if they were on drugs, or gay. Acceptance, tolerance and diversity is what we need. "

    Murphy wrote on May 21, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Female, I personally would not subject you to my lifestyle. This type of lifestyle is a choice. I choose to break with the conventional thoughts of what is acceptable and taboo to the mainstream public. I am active in the Gay Pride community. I do not want to push my lifestyle and choices upon you or others. If you have'nt tried same sex relationships who are you to judge me or my circle of friends? "

    Female wrote on May 21, 2008 6:50 AM:

    " Sierra Vista has a large gay population? No wonder why I'm still single!
    Kids or I or you shouldn't have to be subjected to same sex relationships in public. Point blank, it's unnatural and no one has to "accept" or "tolerate" anything they don't agree to, especially if it's not the norm. First it was acceptance, now marriage, next it will be a recognized disability (equal or better opportunity/special parking purposes). "

    In Iraq and gay continued wrote on May 21, 2008 6:24 AM:

    " which would be bad enough accept,
    They are also willing to kill to prove what they think is the only point of view. Intolerance is in our own
    backyard and it's as ugly there as it is over here in Iraq.
    "

    In Iraq and gay wrote on May 21, 2008 6:23 AM:

    " How does my relationship with my partner of 10 years effect Anyone other than the 2 of us, and how does, that relationship diminish the marriage of anyone else?
    It always amazes me how religion gets dragged into every debate and yet these are the same people who want to tell you that they believe in love as does their God.
    And here I am sitting in a country filled with hate for each other yelling and screaming that their view Of God is the "only" view, people dying for a fantasy Called religion "

    sierravistan wrote on May 20, 2008 11:31 PM:

    " Political affiliation had no part in Jim Kolbe election into congress. The fact that he is gay gave him the votes to win. How is Bee expecting to win votes with what he's trying to do? The gay community in Sierra Vista and Bisbee is very large and those vote will not go to him. I (like Cheyenne) believe Sierra Vista is in need of an Rainbow Outreach Ctr to educate the rest of the community. "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 20, 2008 10:58 PM:

    " For the record. Some people on this board may not agree with me, but I feel that Homosexuals and Conservative Christians can and should be freinds. Homosexuals should not and will not be forced to conform to my beliefs to be my freind, nor should they expect or force me to approve of their lifestyle in order for me to be their freind. "

    Hey Cheyenne wrote on May 20, 2008 8:42 PM:

    " I don't know if your a male or female, but if your truly gay, and didn't adopt, how did those kids come about, another immaculate conception? "

    Tolerance part wrote on May 20, 2008 7:38 PM:

    " And just as an FYI - yes Sierra Vista and Fort Huachuca has a large gay population.

    I would think there are more pressing issues that Tim Bee would want to concentrate on . . . growing homeless population, funding education, and the overall economy. Arizona ranks at the bottom of all the education categories ...we are right there with Mississippi. 49th in HS Drop Outs, 37th in Teen pregnancies, 48th in teen deaths and suicide. Hmmmm and he's worried about Gay Marriage. "

    Tolerance wrote on May 20, 2008 7:33 PM:

    " You don't have to agree with the lifestyle to be tolerant. The gay lifestyle doesn't truly affect anyone except the couple themselves. What the gay community want, I believe, is the rights of domestic partnership and legalities that are afford those of a married hetrosexual couple.
    Now....reading through these blogs the humor of the bible thumping Christians speaking of immorality is funny. The Churches are filled with hypocritics...and let's not get started with the Catholic Priests and their issues with little boys. And no I am not gay - I am tolerant christian. "

    sierravistan wrote on May 20, 2008 6:33 PM:

    " MTV is another great outlet that supports our gay community. More networks like this is needed. "

    Forced Upon Me wrote on May 20, 2008 3:28 PM:

    " My problem with this, as many have stated below, is that the gay community feel it OK to force their views upon us. For over 2,000 years, homosexuality was viewed as immoral or sinful and now in the past 20 years, if you adhere to your beliefs about it, then you are a evil monster full of hate. Wrong! Bottom line is that I really don't care one way or another, it's not an issue to me. I'll accept you as you are BUT that does NOT mean that I have to SUPPORT you or your position! "

    solidox wrote on May 20, 2008 3:17 PM:

    " why would anyone want to ruin a good relationship with marriage? personally i'd rather all marriage be outlawed. it's an outmoded, useless, meaningless religious relic. the only reason people even bother to practice it any more is for a tax credit. my partner and i originally intended to get married for said benefit, but now we'd rather not bother. we don't need the deduction and we'd rather just make a point: marriage is unnecessary, superfluous, and obsolete. "

    steve w in bisbee wrote on May 20, 2008 12:16 PM:

    " History is repeating itself. The world was destroyed because of sin with a great flood, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with fire and brimstone due mainly to homosexuality, and eventually the entire earth will be destroyed with a fire so great that even the elements will melt with fervent heat. Jesus loves everyone, and wants them to come to Him and be made new. He will forgive what ever you have done. Gay marriage is an abomination in the eyes of a Holy God. Have you ever seen a gay animal? No! NOT NORMAL. "

    Will wrote on May 20, 2008 10:15 AM:

    " Cheyenne, I thought you were in Iraq? Now you're a gay raising two children with your partner? I guess you're not military then? You are a very confusing person. I have suspected for some time that both you and sierravistan work for the Herald, and are paid to post stupid comments in order to gain more interest for the online version of the paper. "

    Straight as a pin wrote on May 20, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " Horrific natural disasters, war and now gay marriage? The world is coming to an end! "

    Cheyenne last post wrote on May 20, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Hey "new" Cheyenne keep the call sign. I understand you are trying to find your true self,you are confused and probably dont know the reaction you will get from friends and relatives when you do reveal your true self. I profess I dont understand you, nor do I want to. Maybe you will get your Rainbow Outreach Ctr and you can find fulfillment in yourself and the community that you aspire to. Give Murphy and Observer a hug. Bye, bye. "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 20, 2008 3:48 AM:

    " A lesson for Hershey; Gays can be parents of children. My partner and I are currently together raising two children. This is not new in this world. More information can be found at www.gayfamilysupport.com "

    To SV Pride From Hershey wrote on May 19, 2008 8:34 PM:

    " If your gay how did you father three children? "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 19, 2008 7:35 PM:

    " To GI Hippie and "Pro Con"- BOTH of your implications are ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. Jim Kolbe was re-elected SIX TIMES by the republicans after he "came out of the closet" and he would still be our representitive had he not retired. This is of course the seat Giffords now holds and that Bee, whom you are speaking of, is going for. So again, your implications that Bee would not be elected in this district by the Republicans or would be kicked out the party if he were gay are ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Kolbe proved this over and over. "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 19, 2008 7:12 PM:

    " Amanda- You imply that we (Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Orthodox Jews and others)are evil and without love because we won't approve of what you believe in (homosexuality). Let me ask- Do you love those who disagree with your views on homosexuality? If you say yes, I ask you what makes you so much better that you think that you can claim to love those you disagree with, but people you don't even know are "evil haters" for disagreeing with you. If you say you do not love those you disagree with then you are harboring evil hate yourself. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 19, 2008 6:50 PM:

    " I would hope Mr Bee has something more pressing to talk about "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 19, 2008 6:40 PM:

    " Hey if you are ashamed of who you are go ahead and use my name. It is obvious you feel strongly about a subject or two. One is to discredit my call sign and the other appears to get away from the clothes hangers. Have fun. "

    Pro Con wrote on May 19, 2008 5:05 PM:

    " If Bee announced he was gay his party will kick him out. Then he'll have to join the left. And all this talk about gay bars in Sierra Vista and Gay Centers is nonsense that will never pass out city council! "

    Amanda wrote on May 19, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " Marriage means "legal act of union". Also, "sin gene"? That was just lame. I don't think that's what "Mom" meant. I think she was just trying to say "you are what you are" It's funny that religion is meant to be this scared, precious thing- which is hardly the case. Religion is evil and many comments in this thread are proof of that. Such hateful, hypocritical people you are! For Christians: what happened to "God loves everyone?" "

    Amanda wrote on May 19, 2008 9:07 AM:

    " yeah, I was quoting "gon south" "

    Barry wrote on May 19, 2008 8:21 AM:

    " Of course we'd vote for him GI Hippie. The Republicans had a gay man in Giffords position for years. "

    GI Hippie wrote on May 19, 2008 7:19 AM:

    " If Bee anounced that he was gay, would you vote for him? "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 19, 2008 2:52 AM:

    " To SV Pride, I envy you. I really think there is no problem in Sierra Vista. The *idea* of a gay bar in town have been talk about among our community and is well over due. But I think a Rainbow Outreach Center needs to open to educate the rest of the community first. "

    To Amanda and Gon South wrote on May 19, 2008 12:41 AM:

    " "Straight haters" is the incorrect term. The word for what you are talking about is "Hetrohphobia". "

    Dan wrote on May 18, 2008 11:51 PM:

    " Look up the definition of marriage, last time I checked it was between a MAN AND A WOMAN not women and women not men and men, I do not hate homosexuals, but what's next? polygamists? I mean they could argue that they are not harming anyone, and that they LOVE eachother, but it doesn't make it right by any means! "

    Danny wrote on May 18, 2008 6:29 PM:

    " Well since we should legalize everything that people claim doesn't hurt anybody else we will legalize gambling (in all forms and all places), prostitution, pot, cocaine, meth, heroine, illegal immigration, tax evasion, pedophilia with a consenting child, illegal cable and music and video pirating. "

    Barry wrote on May 18, 2008 4:25 PM:

    " I agree with Mom. Being gay in the genes. Actually we all have this gene. Scientists have proven it many times not only with homosexuality but other areas as well. It's called the sin gene. It manifests itself in many different ways- Homosexuality, womanizing, alcoholism (hence the recovering alcoholic), drug use, pedophilia, addiction to "adult entertainment", etc. The real issue at hand is whether we begin to get treatment for this sin gene or if we stay in denial about the problem. "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 18, 2008 12:51 PM:

    " "Mom"- Exactly, teach tolerance for ALL people. You do not have to go into specifics. Teach kids to be tolerant of others different than themselves. Period. But it usually goes farther than that, the teaching ends up being Homosexuality = Good, Those who disagree = Bad. Real tolerance involves tolerating views you disagree with. The problem with the modern tolerance movement is that they are only tolerant to those who agree with their view of tolerance, which make the "tolerance" movement VERY intolerant. "

    Mom wrote on May 18, 2008 11:10 AM:

    " Why does it spill over into the schools (other than a teaching moment for tolerance). Being gay is like having dark eyes or blonde hair or being overweight. You're either gay or you're not. Teaching tolerance for people... all people...is what will spill over into the schools. "

    Amanda wrote on May 18, 2008 11:02 AM:

    " "Straight Haters".. funny, considering I'm a straight woman "

    SV Pride wrote on May 18, 2008 9:13 AM:

    " I'm retired US Army (23 Years), Vietnam Vet (67-69), father of three, and Gay. Mr. Bee won't ever see a vote come from me. Why is he making it an issue? I wonder what actions he'll try to take when a gay bar opens up in Sierra Vista. "

    Helene Jackson wrote on May 18, 2008 7:12 AM:

    " to Randall and others: Murder, embezzlement, child molestation, and harassment hurt others. Homosexuality does not, if both parties want the relationship. "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 18, 2008 1:37 AM:

    " What Sierra Vista needs is a "Rainbow Outreach Center" like most cities in America. This will benefit our Gay community by educating residents and especially Mr. Bee.
    Being in the closet should be ones choice, not an escape. Gay and proud. "

    gon south wrote on May 17, 2008 11:54 PM:

    " Typical liberal response, try to discredit the person with the dissenting opinion so you don’t have to continue the discussion. I’m not surprised. As a matter of fact, my family member's friends told him his family would disown him when he came out, we didn’t, and he and his friends were shocked. He knows how we fell about homosexuality and we know where he stands. There is no “hatred”, judgment or hostility. So guess what, all you angry straight haters are wrong again. I don’t hate homosexuals. "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 17, 2008 11:03 PM:

    " Gay marriage, multiple spouses, fine- like I originally said, not my business. HOWEVER, it never stops there. It goes on to teaching our grade school children, that (opposite to what is often taught at home) homosexuality is O.K. and to think any different is "closed minded". The supposed justification behind this is that homosexuals are picked on in school and we need to be sensitive. Fine, but what about the stinky kid being picked on or conservative Christian's kids. Teach kindness to EVERYBODY. There's no need to constantly, obsessively, specify or teach homosexuality over other lifestyles. "

    "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 17, 2008 9:39 PM:

    " To "yes sv has a LGBT community"- You said for us to go on the gay personals web site to find out how numerous homosexuals are in Sierra Vista. In the same post you imply that people are so mean to homosexuals that if you were "outed" you'd lose your job and be persecuted. I find it interesting that the persecution is so bad against homosexuals here in Sierra Vista that there is a an open gay community for Sierra Vista on the World Wide Web. "

    yes sv has a LGBT community wrote on May 17, 2008 8:20 PM:

    " Any of you who doubt Sierra Vista has a gay community need only research internet personal ads to find the truth. We're everywhere, including Sierra Vista. It's just that many of us, like myself, aren't open about our less than straight persuasions because of the overwhelming population of bigoted morons in town. We aren't hurting anyone by being homosexual or bisexual, but if we're outed, many of us wouldn't have jobs and wouldn't have peace of mind because of people like "Gon South" and company. Don't believe me? Then watch sierravista.craigslist.org for the abundance of gay ads. "

    solidox wrote on May 17, 2008 8:15 PM:

    " why is this even an issue? other people have absolutely no right whatsoever to decide any 'agenda' or law concerning the activities of two consenting adults, heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or otherwise. let gay people marry.

    leave people alone, mind your own business, and stop wasting everybody's time, money, and brains on this nonsense. if you want to live in a theocracy, move to iran. "

    Amanda wrote on May 17, 2008 7:55 PM:

    " Also "gon south": Have you ever taken a moment to think that maybe he's miserable because theres many people in the world like yourself pushing judgment and hatred and considering his choice to love another man wrong? "

    Amanda wrote on May 17, 2008 7:52 PM:

    " SV has a bigger gay community than most realize. Many keep it quiet because there's too many people like "gon south" in the community. Also, places like Bisbee and Tucson have had more to offer them in the line of being "open". Ft. Huachuca has MANY gay soldiers present as well. I guess if you don't know any gay people personally, you just won't know or notice as much as others do. "

    Randall wrote on May 17, 2008 7:52 PM:

    " "Why do people insist on trying to legislate "morality?" asks Helene Jackson. Ms. Jackson, that's what legislation does--it determines what is right or wrong according to the state. If morality was not legislated, then murder would not be punished, embezzlement would not be punished, harassment would not be punished, child molestation would not be punished. It is unfortunate that what has been recognized for hundreds of centuries by every civilized society--marriage between one man and one woman only--must now be codified in law. Who could have seen this coming 40 years ago? "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 17, 2008 7:03 PM:

    " I keep hearing that those who oppose gay marriage are "pushing their morals on everybody else" Think about what this is saying. It is either one of two things 1) It is an apparent admission that what you are defending is morally wrong and has to be defended against morality. OR 2) You are pushing something that you feel is morally correct (homosexuality). Option 1 admits you are indeed morally wrong or Option 2 admits that you also are pushing your percieved morals onto others while at the same time slamming others for doing what you're doing. "

    To Gon South wrote on May 17, 2008 10:21 AM:

    " Is it possible that your gay relative is miserable because of hatred and bigotry by such "loving" family members as yourself? Homosexuality is neither wrong nor "sinful", quit tryng to force your "morals" on everyone else. "

    SV Taxpayer wrote on May 17, 2008 10:07 AM:

    " Cheyenne where is Sierra Vistas Gay community? You are full of it. "

    gon south wrote on May 17, 2008 12:09 AM:

    " Helen, Randle has it right. This isn’t about what happens in someone’s bedroom. It’s about an agenda to make what is wrong into something that is normal. Homosexuality is not right, it never has been and never will be. This position is not against people like some people of a dissenting opinion are screaming; homosexuality is a behavior, an action not a person. I don’t hate homosexuals, I have a close family member that practices a homosexual life style and he's one of the most miserable people I know. He is not “gay”. "

    Cheyenne wrote on May 16, 2008 6:51 PM:

    " Ray, he'll lose the vote from Sierra Vistas Gay community. If I were Bee I would of not touch this one. "

    Ray wrote on May 16, 2008 1:06 PM:

    " sierravistan,

    How do you figure he'd lose 75% of Sierra Vista?
    "

    Ray wrote on May 16, 2008 12:41 PM:

    " Tim, you have much bigger fish to fry then this.....

    Let's stick to the issues of the day, those issues that will affect us, our kids and our grandkids.......
    "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 16, 2008 10:50 AM:

    " That's fine Helene and you make a great point, but then it goes to the class room. In this normalization process of homosexuality, everybody else who disagrees with it (Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Orthodox Jews) are demonized. If they keep as you said "what they do in their own bedroom" to themselves as I or anybody else should then fine, let them marry, but it never stops there. "

    Amanda wrote on May 16, 2008 9:40 AM:

    " I just don't understand some people. Gay couples live, eat, breathe, pay taxes and support our economy just like us.. they do everything like us except for 1 small thing. Love is love and who is the government to try and control that? This is one thing that makes me ashamed of America. "

    sierravistan wrote on May 16, 2008 9:11 AM:

    " Bee you'll loose 75% of the Sierra Vistan vote if you push the ban "

    GI Hippie wrote on May 16, 2008 9:09 AM:

    " Bee! Let it be! "

    Helene Jackson wrote on May 16, 2008 8:10 AM:

    " Why do people insist on trying to legislate "morality"? Just leave people alone unless they are harming someone else. I wish I'd said what Justice George said: the capacity to establish a loving and committed relationship does not depend on sexual orientation - an individual's sexual orientation is not a basis to withhold legal rights. What are these people afraid of, that they worry about what goes on in someone else's bedroom? "

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