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Published/Last Modified on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 05:35:01 am MST

On Your Mind is the Herald/Review’s telephone opinion line and is intended as a public forum for our readers. Comments represent the opinions of callers and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the newspaper or any specific knowledge that we have. Readers may share their opinions by calling 458-0332, or by e-mail to svhoym@transedge.com or regular mail at 102 Fab Ave., Sierra Vista AZ 85635. Please keep comments less than 90 seconds. Comments are edited.




April 22

No one will ever say what the biggest problems with the so-called ghettos in this country are. It’s not the buildings, or the streets, of the parks, or the schools and churches. No, it’s the people and the culture of violence and drugs. This is a culture that thinks a pimp is a respected job; that thinks men should impregnate as many women as possible and support none of them; that feels no shame in going to prison or living on welfare or drug money. Does it not sink into their heads why when athletes, musicians, and business people are successful, they move as soon as possible away from them? They could easily afford to build beautiful homes there among them. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the Rev. Wright don’t live there either. So there won’t be any improvement in their lives until they accept responsibility for their actions and become moral examples for their children.



 

Jimmy Carter’s actions on his Middle Eastern trip clearly demonstrate that his way of thinking is that of Barack Obama’s. This is not what the American people really want. His present efforts show that he is still the bumbling idiot he was as president. The shame we endured from his lack of action in regard to the Americans taken hostage is an open sore that I don’t think we would want to see repeated. He would be about as capable of handling another such catastrophe as he was the last time. Is this what Obama would do? Think about it. We have two other candidates who are better than he is. I’d settle for either of them at this time.

 

Some people never look at the inserts in the newspaper. Running the item on deadly skin cancer would benefit all of Sierra Vista. Thank you.

 

It is a tragedy that the women and children are being subjected to this ordeal in Eldorado, Texas. This is primarily a bigamist Mormon sect running a breeding ground for the perpetuation of their ilk. The hypocrisy of this is that similar conditions still exist in Arizona and Utah, even though the new Mormons no longer practice this behavior. The Mormon Church should be in the forefront to resolve this affront to decency in the Christian world. Step up.

I’m addressing the issue of slavery. You said “forget slavery.” Did the Jewish people forget the Holocaust? Do Japanese Americans forget being interned during World War II? Do Native Americans forget about being placed on reservations? Yes, we do not have slavery today, but believe me, it’s still being felt in Sierra Vista in 2008. We feel it all the time, every day. It’s a racist country.

 

I was reading an article about a man beating his girlfriend’s two daughters in Phoenix in 2004, causing skull fractures on both of them. The 20-month-old child died and her body was thrown into a canal. An investigation resulted in a conviction of this man that led to a life sentence. His many appeals have caused a possible death sentence to be postponed from 10 to 15 years. The people responsible for this miscarriage of justice should also be convicted as criminals. This theory of avoiding cruel and inhumane punishment is responsible for the breakdown in law enforcement today. I think we should bring back death by firing squad. I’m sure that I and many other honest, conscientious people would volunteer in this procedure any time we’re needed. I’m not a bloodthirsty person, just one of those sick of people thwarting justice and decency in this country.

 

April 23

What is happening with our courts system and CPS and just common sense in Texas? They take the children and mothers of the (Fundamentalist) Latter-day Saints from their Texas Ranch and put the children in foster homes. They are the victims of the child abuse that has been charged against the cult. The men and fathers have supposedly been allowed to be free. What is wrong with this picture? We punish the victims and allow the criminals to remain at large. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to allow the mothers and children to remain at the ranch, the only home they have ever known, and remove the men and fathers to a place when they could be under surveillance? The men could have been allowed to work the ranch under supervision with no contact with their families to provide them with food and necessities. This sounds like the same brain trust that ran the Branch Davidian debacle. All they need is Janet Reno to orchestrate a takeover.

 

I’m so sick of people whining and complaining about some people giving out condoms to students in Bisbee. It’s better to give condoms to students so they can have protected sex. You’re not going to stop them from having sex. You might as well give them condoms to help stop disease and unwanted babies. So why doesn’t everyone stop complaining and get over it. Talk about something important.

 

Where’s the new Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club? I don’t see any progress on the property they bought. What’s the holdup?

EDITOR’S NOTE: Our last recent check found the plans for a new Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club have not been officially filed yet, and we’re told the city and officials with the company continue to discuss the company’s site plan.

 

One of your recent OYM callers claimed Sen. Obama insulted people of faith, gun owners, etc. in Pennsylvania with the (often misquoted or partially quoted) remarks he made at a fund-raiser in San Francisco. The caller used several typical negative descriptions in describing Obama. The fact is Obama was defending the people of Pennsylvania with his comments when he was asked if the voters in Pennsylvania were against him because of race. If your caller really wants to know the truth of what Obama said, which I doubt, he/she can read Obama’s entire statement at http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obamas-remarks-at-san-francisco-fundraiser-sunday/. As to the Karl Marx comparison, I would guess the caller is a big follower of another Karl, Carl Rove!

 

Anyone who might think that passing out condoms to high school students does not encourage sexual behavior should not be involved in education in any way. I think there are some laws on the books about contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Having sex under the age of consent is delinquency. I would like to see our county prosecutor look into the legality of passing out condoms to minors. What if I stood on the street and did this? What if I passed out hotel room keys? What if I gave high school students permission to use my home for sex? Would any of this be considered contributing to the delinquency of a minor?

 

Somebody in this city needs to do some explaining. I just read in the newspaper where the city wants $1.2 million to put in Town and Country an interceptor line for sewer. We went through this four or five years ago when a councilwoman was pushing this idea to put sewer into Town and Country. The majority of residents did not want it. So why are they putting in an interceptor line in Town and Country? Are we routing this interceptor line into Village Meadows as well? They’re not on the sewer either. So what is the city trying to do here? Somebody needs to explain it. I already know who I’m not voting for in the next election.

 

I read a comment in OYM some time ago where a person said that he had sent a comment by e-mail and it was never published. Then I realized I have sent three comments by e-mail to OYM and none were ever published. So it’s quite obvious you’re not using the e-mail. Why do you even put the address out there? The Herald is as bad as the Sierra Vista City Council.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Many comments come from the e-mail. We get more than 500 e-mails a week to that account; many of them have nothing to do with readers’ comments. But we do include e-mails in our On Your Mind listings. If you wish to send a comment via e-mail, send to svhoym@transedge.com.

 

I wish somebody would explain to me why this great historical crap has to go on the West End of town? The West End is no better than the east, south or north end. Why did the city provide money for the festival that they had last weekend? That was not for the residents; that’s purely for the West End. They’re forgetting about the rest of town. That money that they spent could have been used on a lot of things. It’s time to have an election and have a clean sweep of the (Sierra Vista) City Council.

 

I’m reading in OYM about the debacle involving the air conditioning at Buena High School. This says the assistant superintendent, the principal and the facilities foreman were all aware that the HVAC tech was not doing maintenance and that this went on for years. Why didn’t they do something about it? Is this person still there? Why don’t we get these three and the employee to pay the $250,000 themselves instead of sticking it to the taxpayer?

 

People that call in bellyaching about living in Sierra Vista are really out of touch. Sierra Vista has one thing no other town in the world has. We have one city block where a self-respecting American man can purchase alcohol, tobacco, firearms and a Harley-Davidson motorcycle all on one block. Where else can you find that? I ask you, where else?

To everyone who voted for President Bush: Are you and the country better off now? Wars on two battlefronts, rising gas and food prices. Bush has a 70 percent disapproval rating and will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in our nation’s history. Are you still satisfied with the way you voted? If you are, I strongly urge you to sit out the next election.

HERALD/REVIEW more On Your Mind in Monday’s edition of the Herald/Review.



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    DC wrote on May 16, 2008 5:33 AM:

    " I do think that they need new posting to argue about. The condom thing is strange but I know of a young female second grader who is being sexually harrass in her class. She has complain and nothing was done about it so who is going to teach their sons to leave little girls alone. "

    frfrfrfreeeeeeeeeeeeeee wrote on May 15, 2008 10:40 AM:

    " Boring, one mans junk.............
    What would you like us to discuss? "

    frfrfrfreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wrote on May 15, 2008 10:37 AM:

    " Easy, Billy. Airing her opinion...
    but fruit loops, what difference does it make her father is a cop? What, they have super powers and don't go through what other parents go through. Like I said before, be careful of what you speak, you have NO IDEA when it may come back around and bite you! For the record, our daughter got pregnant at 17, but now she's looking cervical cancer in the face and no more babies EVER... things happen for a reason. I was astay at home parent, had the right conversations, and we are still close. It happens. "

    Boring wrote on May 15, 2008 7:59 AM:

    " Hey chicken little.........

    Actually I am a woman, and I don't sit on here looking to argue. I actually come in here once in a while to see if there is anything interesting going on, but once again, I don't see anything interesting being posted on here. Just a variety of people with nothing else to do but argue with themselves. I am not trying to offend anyone, I was just making a comment that half the comments in here are just arguments back and forth. "

    Chicken Little wrote on May 14, 2008 4:34 PM:

    " Yes Boring, that coming from a brave man yourself. "

    Boring wrote on May 14, 2008 6:50 AM:

    " This section wastes too much space on posting comments that are ridiculous. There is a whole section of people just arguing back and forth. Those people should just pass out thier phone numbers or a place to meet and argue there and quit wasting space! But then again, there are lots of people who are brave behind a computer monitor. ..... "

    To To Hmmm wrote on May 14, 2008 5:57 AM:

    " You asked: "You mean there are no Jewish families accepting reparations checks even though the actual Holocaust survivors are long dead? " They are NOT “all dead”; I met a Holocaust survivor a few MONTHS ago. (Tattoo and all!) But the black slaves that were owned in Africa by BLACK slave OWNERS, which were sold by BLACK slavers, and shipped here: ARE all dead. Al Sharpton came into political life by “protesting an injustice!” that itself was a LIE by a black girl to keep her out of trouble for a curfew violation. "

    scared me.... wrote on May 13, 2008 6:52 PM:

    " Regarding that shooting that took place on Sunday, May 11th near Oracle and Grant in Tucson, I was there and heard the shots and saw the guy fall to the ground. I had never experienced such a thing in my life. It was terrible. Just feel the need to talk about it. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 13, 2008 4:20 PM:

    " YOUR Daughter is pregnant at 14, not mine. Maybe you needed to be a responsible parent. Don't act like every child has parents like you "

    Education Attention wrote on May 13, 2008 12:13 PM:

    " Parents don't have the time like they did in the past to stay in touch with their kids. It takes two or more incomes in most homes to raise a family. Part of the problem is in education, the TV is our current babysitter, teaching our kids what to value. Another problem is in how much attention we give our kids, if they feel ignored, they will turn to each other for love and attention. What has the TV taught us about love? You don't see "love" on TV that isn't followed by sex. "

    Mary Lopes wrote on May 13, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " Heads up to Walmart and Sams Club. Rethink your plans. I am new in this community and have never come accross a more unethical work force as I have in this community. Unless you plan to bus in from Tucson the work force in this town is already depleted. Instead of business using the signs for building their business they have "Now Hiring" Welcome to the town of "Now Hiring" "

    fruit loops wrote on May 13, 2008 7:35 AM:

    " When my sons reading buddy (he's 9) is 6 months pregnant (she just turned 14) I know there is a problem, parents didn't educate or keep an eye on her. Give them condoms and education MOM and DADS wake up and smell the coffee your innocent child IS having sex (she's the daughter of a peace officer) I am now teaching my 13 & 11 year old girls sex education and what happens when you ruin your life by having a baby at 13. Give them condoms not babies at 13 and aids or sexually transmitted diseases at 14!! "

    Human Nature wrote on May 12, 2008 12:03 PM:

    " In efforts to be better then other people, there will always be strife. Wether it is West End or East End, site built or mobile, 4 wheels or 2, until we gain a respect for each other and treat others the way we wish to be treated, there will always be discrimination of some kind. "

    What a comment wrote on May 12, 2008 8:37 AM:

    " Slavery? Umm I don't hear the Japanesse whining about the being imprisoned, I don't hear about the Native American whining about being on reservations, so why do people still insist on whining about slavery. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. "

    frfrfrfreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wrote on May 12, 2008 6:51 AM:

    " No dear editor, altho' I do wonder why you don't send a journalist over to the High Schools and ask the Administration and Teachers what they think. Truly it is not EVERY child having sex at these schools, but the majority are. Look at our magazines and t.v., this is what they are being taught by our own media and celebraties. We live in a world of terror, turmoil and disease. Why not give these kids a safety net? As for supplies like calculators, our parents bought the items needed for school each year, why should that stop now? "

    EM wrote on May 12, 2008 12:12 AM:

    " This is ridiculous with parents freaking about about their children and Buena High School. I am a graduate from BHS, there are so so so many rumors that go around about lesbians making out in the hall people having sex in the bathrooms and that has happened like once probably like 4 years ago. People just blow everything out of proportion and it seriously isn't that big of a deal. Buena isn't a bad school you just need to know what crowd to hang out with. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 10, 2008 12:22 PM:

    " I rushed out early today to put my donation by my mailbox. It's 1PM and it's still there "

    Susan Selix wrote on May 10, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Some of the reports which are posted by those who are unhappy astound me. The postal workers are doing a service to the community! This is to be commended! I myself am glad to have the opportunity to donate food to those who are struggling at this time! I also am glad to help out when there are drop-offs during the holiday season! How unselfish of the postal workers to do this for us! Shame on those who are so selfish and unkind to what the postal workers and others do to help out! "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 10, 2008 7:03 AM:

    " to Roni, many of us use the computer to post and therefore don't have to wait for the paper to come out. "

    To SV Herald wrote on May 9, 2008 5:05 PM:

    " Editor's note: The story and comments are online at: http://www.svherald.com/articles/2008/04/22/news/doc480d79872890f665479045

    Why was this story and comments removed from the top taked about stories list?
    EDITOR'S NOTE; As stated on the website: The following stories (up to 50) have received the most reader comments during the last 14 days. The numbers following each story are a tally of the number of comments each story has received in the last 14 days, which is NOT necessarily the total number since each was first published. "

    Jo wrote on May 8, 2008 6:32 PM:

    " It is not the school's job to provide children with condoms. If they are going to give condoms to the kids, why can't they give them supplies that have something to do with education? Last time I checked, you had to buy your kids pencils, backpacks, and calculators, but the school gives away condoms...that makes sense. "

    NCO Corps wrote on May 8, 2008 12:47 PM:

    " Whatever happened to the two gentlemen who were caught discharging a weapon at the St. Andrews Church? Are they being punished or is this incident being swept under a rug? Just curious. "

    Evil Mega Poster wrote on May 8, 2008 10:54 AM:

    " No one cares, move on. "

    frfrfrfreeeeeeeeeeee wrote on May 8, 2008 9:29 AM:

    " Amazing... are we not to mention the sexapades going on at Buena?? I posted yesterday and was edited. These people can slam Bisbee, but I can't state a fact! I pulled my daughter after finding out about this and we moved to Bisbee. At least here when the kids are up to something you find out with a phone call from a concerned teacher or parent. There are parents all over the world that think if they teach kids will practice. SO UNTRUE, Condoms may not be the answer, but its a start, and you have to begin somewhere.
    EDITOR'S NOTE: Your allegation claimed something occurred in an elevator at Buena. Do we determine that as a fact just because of your anonymous comment? "

    Randle Patrick McMurphy wrote on May 7, 2008 10:03 PM:

    " I find it interesting that I was only defending myself from comments people made against my original comments from Winston, Lee and Billhill, whoever they are. I have even apologized, even though I was only excercizing my free speech rights against others who couldn't stand to let somebody with on opposing viewpoint get the last word.
    I also agree with a SVH policy on not attacking others. I deserve to have an opinion without comment board bullys trying to shut me down then convincing everybody that this is what I have done to them. Registered users- Yes please. "

    To SV Herald wrote on May 7, 2008 5:33 PM:

    " What happened to the story and blog about Douglas Bruce's "illiterate peasants"? A comment was submitted about the biased article and now the story and blog are no where to be found. HMMM
    Editor's note: The story and comments are online at: http://www.svherald.com/articles/2008/04/22/news/doc480d79872890f665479045.txt "

    Geez wrote on May 7, 2008 3:48 PM:

    " "Sniveling Malcontent", that's probably a good assessment. I for one share some of the same opinions as this anonymous poster; however, he was complaining that no one would provide him proof to the opposite of what he was saying. Who are they to address their proof too? Maybe this is why his comments have gone unanswered or ingnored. "

    Reader To SV Herald wrote on May 7, 2008 1:58 PM:

    " Please consider a policy of only approving comments that are directly related to the articles and are not attacking the comments of others.

    It would make it a lot more enjoyable to read community opinion without all the mindless arguing that serves no real purpose.

    Thanks. "

    Sniveling Malcontent wrote on May 7, 2008 8:38 AM:

    " remember me from Winterhaven, I'm trying to understand here; all of the posters who have opinions different from the Anonymous Inquisitor have been rolled up into one Evil Mega Poster, to be slain by the forces of Righteous Indignitude? "

    Roni wrote on May 7, 2008 7:53 AM:

    " To Billy And FreeRoni, I find it amazing I posted on the 5th and got a response same day, before Editor checked for content. Wake up Cochise County, these people MUST work for the Herald as they posted same day, before the paper came out. Me thinks me smells a rat! Or WAIT maybe I've written ALL these comments and I'm really Schitzo! The world may never know! "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 6, 2008 9:49 PM:

    " To this, to that, at least I assume an alias rather that appointing myself the anonymous inquisitor who everyone on the board is supposed to answer to.
    I'm not accountable to you. "

    ToFreeeeeRoni wrote on May 6, 2008 5:01 PM:

    " Yeah, yeah, OK, free condoms for everybody. Billyhillwinstonsmitharthurdentleewhoeverheis is still on the hotseat and I'm not even sure if this is not him trying to distract attention from our major development which he's been called to account for. "

    Im waiting... wrote on May 6, 2008 3:29 PM:

    " Mr. billyhillwinstonsmitharthurdentleewhoeveryoureallyare,
    You know it's true. I didn't say Wikipedia either. I said Google. You know, the one you suggested we go to instead of our so called "right wing" websites? You have been caught red handed and the proof and the truth is below. Is Pauly one of your names too? At this point I don't even know what to believe. "

    Geez wrote on May 6, 2008 3:23 PM:

    " Well that's better "The truth about this comment board" is at least an alias someone can address. "To myself" is a bit idiotic. "

    Winston Smith wrote on May 6, 2008 3:22 PM:

    " to Frfrfreeeee, tell those people in San GITMO Texas that. If I had children in your schools I would file suit. I've lived in San Francisco, they don't give out condoms in the school there. "

    frfrfrfreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wrote on May 6, 2008 12:52 PM:

    " Obviously, some of you have never been to Bisbee, which should be called "Little Frisco"! Gays, religious, rights, lefts, young, old ...we're what makes Bisbee, Bisbee. Don't pass out condoms if you don't want to, we have a right to decide what is needed in this community and that is what we did. Not all the teens down here are using those condoms, but should they, in a weak moment, slip at least someone in our community tried to prevent disease or another unwanted baby from happening, and let those kids know they have a community that cares about theirfuture. "

    Roni wrote on May 6, 2008 11:32 AM:

    " I say give them the condoms. During puberty most teens are trying to find themselves, and the discovery of sex is a part of growing up. There are NO perfect parents in the world and you can't be with your kids all the time. To think otherwise is completely idiotic. Remember how against this practice you were, while helping to raise those babies your unwed teen brings home, because it could happen to you!! "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 6, 2008 10:08 AM:

    " Ah the Internet, if it isn't on Wikipedia it doesn't exist. "

    Pauly wrote on May 6, 2008 9:55 AM:

    " Here we go with sock puppets now. I knew it couldn't be long before this forum got caught up in that mess. The webmaster needs to require user registration and use of an alias and even then it wont stop because you'll be able to use multiple logins. Jerks! "

    The truth about this comment board wrote on May 6, 2008 8:59 AM:

    " Mr. billyhillwinstonsmitharthurdentlee. You got irritated because I would not take on one common name and you could not address me. But look at YOU. Decieving people and bullying every person who comes on this board. Using multiple names and characters to give the illusion to posters that they are outnumbered and nobody agrees with them. Do you know what is also sad? There are some people that do agree with you, but every time from now on when they make a post there will always be a suspicion it's you. "

    Furthermore.. wrote on May 6, 2008 2:21 AM:

    " To add proof to MY comments about "the truth about this comment board" I would like to note that Winston Smith and Billyhill seem to be the only ones aware of this supposed "Planet of the Apes effect" where supposedly some doctor noted during the filming of The Planet of the Apes how people went from grouping by race to grouping by primates. I Googled this and found nothing about this supposed doctor making these observations. It seems to me that this common knowledge that no one else knows about but Winston and Billyhill goes far beyond chance. "

    The truth about this comment board wrote on May 5, 2008 10:39 PM:

    " To prove what I am talking about note the comment from "Arthur Dent" to "Billyhill" on Apr30 comments board. On it "Arthur" appears to be correcting "Billy" on the so called "Karl Rove Syndrome". "Arthur" tells "Billy" that Karl is spelled with a "K" then conceniently gives his definition of this so called syndrom as "a form of terets causing 'neocons' to insult anybody not agreeing with them". Again, I think these were both the same person looking to advocate this fictional syndrome. Proof? No discussion of it before on board(s). Nothing on Google with this name and definition. "

    The truth about this comment board wrote on May 5, 2008 10:11 PM:

    " Yes, I am convinced that Arthur Dent, Billy Hill, Winston Smith, Lee and probably Geez are all the same person. It's interesting that Winston Smith makes the same arguments as Billyhill regarding ethnocentricy and Planet of the Ape theories, as if everybody is just so familiar with these. And Winston Smith is a racist like Lee. It's also interesting that when Lee was shut down and exposed as a racist we never heard anything more from him but Winston Smith conveniently picked up where Lee left off. He too was exposed as racist. See next post. "

    Geez wrote on May 5, 2008 9:43 PM:

    " I guess there is no point in responding if there is no one to address a response to. "

    Buck wrote on May 5, 2008 9:30 PM:

    " ...and Winston whatever "

    Buck wrote on May 5, 2008 9:29 PM:

    " I agree Geez. I seem to suspect that Lee, Billyhill and Arthur Dent are all the same person. "

    To Jo wrote on May 5, 2008 9:28 PM:

    " Well said!! "

    Jo wrote on May 5, 2008 9:23 PM:

    " Not all teens are having sex. I did not when I was a teen. My circle of friends didn't have sex. This whole "they'll do it anyway" mentality is CONDONING sex to teens. Oh if the school is handing out condoms, it must mean it's okay. It's not okay! And it's not their job. "

    To Geez wrote on May 5, 2008 9:18 PM:

    " Who are YOU, Geez? I don't think "Geez" is your alias either. If you don't like it, why are you doing it? "

    To Geez wrote on May 5, 2008 9:09 PM:

    " Which one of us are you talking about. You named 2 or 3 of them. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 5, 2008 7:20 PM:

    " Accept your truth or you'll keep on shouting, What's that say? "

    Geez wrote on May 5, 2008 4:45 PM:

    " Geez, "To", pick an alias and stick with it. You can't carry on a decent debate with someone if you don't know who you are debating. You use the "To....." alias the "wanna talk" and then "naw". Find an alias and stick with it. I don't think Disgusted was directing their comment to you. They were making a general comment to the public. "

    To Billy Hill wrote on May 5, 2008 4:39 PM:

    " That's fine then, (other) people need to just then accept the truth and fix it instead of giving baseless arguments to blame others for something they've created. "

    Naw wrote on May 5, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " It wouldn't take away the left's excuses, they'd just make new ones. "

    To Disgusted wrote on May 5, 2008 10:12 AM:

    " I didn't even mentioned Rev. Write or Obama. Nor have I even mentioned the New Black Panther Party. I could have since somebody else made a lame attempt to try to link the Republicans with the KKK.
    Actually, if Obama really stands for what he says he does, I wouldn't mind having him for president. I am pro-life so I wouldn't vote for him, but I would be interested to see if he could get the liberals over their racism. I think many liberals do not want Obama in because he would take away their excuses. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 5, 2008 9:41 AM:

    " It's tiring, who cares, there are people on both sides of the issue who will never get over it. Nothing that is said on this forum will change that.
    Makiing the same point over and over only makes you repetitive "

    To Billy Hill wrote on May 4, 2008 10:15 PM:

    " What?!? You are addressing the wrong person. Billy Hill, are you so aloof? Have you not been reading the comment threads for the past two On Your Minds? I was only pressing a point because SOMEBODY ELSE was crying "racism". All I said it that the nation does not need racial talks, the liberals do. It's THEIR BAGGAGE. People disagreed and argued with me but gave nothing to back up what they were saying. I am only backing up what I am saying. "

    Me wrote on May 4, 2008 9:26 PM:

    " And people wonder why homeschooling is on the rise. "

    Raymond Shaw wrote on May 4, 2008 9:14 PM:

    " John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life "

    cool wrote on May 4, 2008 8:29 PM:

    " saw a cool bumper sticker today- "Equal Rights Are Not Special Rights" How true that is, if only we can get those crying out for more free handouts to realize that, that they are just like everyone else and need to help themselves, instead of depending on their government welfare checks,get a job and stop having so many kids when you can't take care of them. "

    All I Want... wrote on May 4, 2008 8:26 PM:

    " All I want is not to be attacked just because I'm white. I want a nation where we can love and support each other no matter what our race, color or religious beliefs are. Liberals can keep their gay marriage. I don't care and it's not my business. You keep your beliefs about homosexuality (or ANY sexuality for that matter) to yourself and I'll do the same. Keep your stupid condoms to yourself and only give them to those kids whose parents want them to have one. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 4, 2008 5:17 PM:

    " Wanna Talk, I think you want a cross to hang on. Oh how persecuted you are. What makes that any better than anyone else blaming thier ills on their race, religion or ethnicity, listen to yourself. "

    more... wrote on May 4, 2008 5:06 PM:

    " 5)Howard Dean thinking the Democrats had the most diverse candidates based only on race and sex (even though, unlike Republicans, they were lock and step identical on issues ranging from immigration and abortion to the war).
    6)Democratic Senator Robert Byrd getting away with publicly saying n***** (not just in the 60s but just a couple of years ago)with NO punishment.
    7) For as much as Dean and the national Democrats fixate on skin color continually, they never have recognized that Bush's cabinet was FAR more racially diverse than Clinton's.
    Come liberals, let's have this "rational racial discussion" of yours. "

    hmmm wrote on May 4, 2008 5:02 PM:

    " It looks like Godwin's law didn't work in this instant. The thread is still continuing. I guess the law has it's flaws. hmmm. "

    Why you ask wrote on May 4, 2008 4:24 PM:

    " Why am 'I' handing out condoms to 'your' child for something other parents aren't doing? Because I don't particularly like supporting a bunch of unwanted kids, most of which will grow up to be just like their parent. I also don't want to pay for meds for some diseased person for their rest of their life. Thanks for asking! "

    Whatever wrote on May 4, 2008 4:20 PM:

    " Well I'm sorry to disappoint you, but genetic inferiority is a fact of life among all animals. There are human tribes/animals/plants who have and who are dying out because they are genetically inferior. I never said people were inferior based on skin color. I used the term 'race' because that is a widely recognized concept, even though it's a human construct and there is no natural thing as 'race.' I don't know why I post...it's hard to argue with someone who won't crack open a science text. BTW, you may wish to look up Godwin's Law. "

    Wanna talk Lets talk. wrote on May 4, 2008 4:16 PM:

    " O.K. Let's make this simple. If there are specific examples you have to think all whites and/or conservatives are racist let it be known. I'll start.
    Why liberals have issues with Racism.
    1)Liberals (proven here)believing in racial superiority.
    2)Liberals (proven here)believing that blacks are nothing if they are conservative.
    3)Al Sharpton smearing Duke players never apologizing, yet he pounds anyone else who makes racial missteps into the ground until their career is pulverized even though an apology was made(Imus).
    4)Liberal/Democratic notion that blacks cannot be successful on their own and need a handout from the white man.
    "

    To disgustedperspective wrote on May 4, 2008 3:48 PM:

    " This has nothing to do with perspective. Anyone with eyes can see what has been written here. People keep saying we need to talk about race. Well, that's what we're doing here. This IS the discussion. I have been challenging time after time to PLEASE give me specific examples (not just accusations) how whites and conservatives are racist more racist than liberals.- Nothing. I have given several examples of how liberals are (both nationally, and on this board) harboring racist beliefs "

    Winston Smith wrote on May 4, 2008 3:35 PM:

    " Amazing, not the point at all. The point was that ethnocentricity is not per se, racism. Just because I choose to hang out with others of my own group does not make me a racist. "

    To dose of reality wrote on May 4, 2008 3:30 PM:

    " I hate to break it to you but condoms break, and the AIDS virus can still get through those that don't. It goes far beyond religion. Condoms are FALSE SECURITY. AGAIN, the job of the school is to teach our children Math, Reading, Writing and spelling. This is just plain sick, and it's sad that we live in a world where I even have to defend against this. "

    To Winston wrote on May 4, 2008 3:19 PM:

    " Yes Winston, alot of people have died in wars over politics too, but are you going to get rid of that. I have no problem with a Muslim thinking that I am an infedel. So what? What I do have a problem with is this MAJOR Liberal/Democratic Racism. All you're doing is trying to divert attention on your losing argument about Liberal Racism and your assersion that some races are better than others because of their skin color. Stay on topic and back up what you're saying for once. "

    Yep wrote on May 4, 2008 2:24 PM:

    " I agree "To superiority", it does appear that the Liberal thinking racists are a bit looney. The science studies that "Superiority" cites must come from the pool of scientist funded by liberals to declare that global warming is human related and not a phenomenon that has occurred through the millennium. "

    A dose of reality wrote on May 4, 2008 1:13 PM:

    " No Bible-thumping by a church, school, or parent is going to stop teenagers from having sex! That is a fact! The best you can do to prevent unwanted pregnancy and disease is to provide condoms. No matter how much of the "fear of God" you drum into them, they will still have sex! Believing anything else is living in a dream world. "

    disgusted wrote on May 4, 2008 1:07 PM:

    " Winston Smith, Races do not believe they are superior in one way or another over other groups. To say this is simply an misguided attempt to justify their own individual feelings of superiority over other races. "

    To Superiority wrote on May 4, 2008 1:01 PM:

    " Superiority said- "People SHOULD think their culture and ethnicity/race are superior"
    REALLY?!?! That's your thought process? I guess then white supremecists are justified in how they feel about minorities. Your point is, after all, what drove Hitler to do what he did. "Science supports that some races/ethnicities are physically and mentally superior to others"?!? This is all to do with how they were brought up, NOT their skin color!! NOBODY'S RACE IS SUPERIOR To those who weren't convinced before of the extreme racism that exists Democratic/Liberal thinking, I hope you are closely taking note of these posts. "

    disgusted wrote on May 4, 2008 1:00 PM:

    " The problem is no one wants to understand each others' perspective. You hear Sharpton say something that doesn't agree with your perspective, and instead of trying to understand, you point fingers too. We live in two Americas, separated by cultural differences and experiences. Both sides refuse to talk about it. Reverend Wright says ignorant things, but just because he was Obama's minister, you want to make Obama pay for views he rejects? You ever cut off a friend for something ignorant he or she said? "

    To Fine convince the parents wrote on May 4, 2008 12:39 PM:

    " Let the village? You've been reading too many Hillary books. Either we raise our own children or we don't. Why are you handing a condom to my child for something another child's parent is or isn't doing? You will still not eliminate STD's and pregnancies, you just create new problems. I always thought that Democrats were for a Woman's right to choose. They say that the government should not be making choices for her even if they might be unwise. YET... when that child get older the government can suddenly butt in? "

    Winston Smith wrote on May 4, 2008 11:23 AM:

    " Amazing, whoever you are, you disagree with my assertion about ethnic groups and then go right into how your religion is superior. How many people have died in religious wars because they had God on thier side. Is your religion tied to your ethnicity? "

    Passerby wrote on May 4, 2008 10:50 AM:

    " Billy Hill wrote: " I was also contacted by the San Francisco Chronicle for permission to use my rant about Removing the cap from the wage tax and a Federal Usuary Law etc. I wonder if the Herald realizes this."

    So? Are you looking for a job with the Herald? Man-o-man, you don't set your sights very high, do you? (P.S. As a budding bombastic op-ed candidate, it'd help if you boned up on your spelling. Try 'usury' instead of 'usuary.') "

    Superiority wrote on May 4, 2008 7:02 AM:

    " People should think their culture and ethnicity/race are superior. That's a biological imperative and is what keeps us alive and strong. Not to mention the fact it's true. Science supports that some 'races'/ethnicities are physically and mentally superior to others. So? I see no purpose in refuting what's clearly the case just to be PC. I don't agree with cruelty towards those who are perceived to be inferior. But I'm also not going to bother with 'all men are created equal' when obviously that's not the case. The question is, how do we choose to deal with this? "

    Fine convince parents to do their job and Im on your side wrote on May 4, 2008 6:45 AM:

    " Actually, it is the jobs of schools to hand out condoms and teach about things parents *should*, but won't. Sorry, but if most of the parent out there won't take care of these things, then everyone will have to shut up and let the village do their thing. If you don't like it, I suggest you campaign to have all parents do their job. Good luck. As for turning the tables, when "In God We Trust" isn't on every piece of legal tender we must use, then we can talk about tables turning. Until then .... "

    To Winston Smith wrote on May 3, 2008 8:55 PM:

    " To Winston Smith- I disagree with your assersion that "every ethnic group believes their culture is superior" I do not believe my culture, for example, is superior to that of Mexicans or African Americans. You might. I do see your point that people are more comfortable with their own "groups". People are more comfortable with what they are familiar with depending on how they have been raised. Sometimes this can be bad if they were raised around people with a slanted view of the world. Religion? I believe God is superior and is the only way. Culture-irrelevant "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 3, 2008 5:37 PM:

    " I was also contacted by the San Francisco Chronicle for permission to use my rant about Removing the cap from the wage tax and a Federal Usuary Law etc. I wonder if the Herald realizes this. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 3, 2008 5:14 PM:

    " To To Billy Hill, I finally got time to look up those links, thank you.
    It's scary to know that some of our rants can be picked up and reprinted all over the country. "

    Winston Smith wrote on May 3, 2008 5:02 PM:

    " Certainly every ethnic group believes thier culture superior, as does every religion etc. But the "Planet of the Apes" effect shows that people are just more comfortable with thier own group.
    The Chimps had no culture, nor did the Gorillas. Just like Veterans feel comfortable with other Veterans, but if there are enough, Vietnam Vets will pare off as will Iraq Vets. There is no inherent evil in that "

    Winston Smith wrote on May 3, 2008 3:41 PM:

    " Has anyone noticed that newspapers don't even bother to do reporting anymore. The same articles from AP appear in papers from left to right and probably Al Jazeera too. Sort of like two WalMarts on opposite sides of the country, same item, same shelf same price. Sort of kills competition.
    In particular the article "Polygamist Cult" in Texas, which was printed in the Washington Times. That paper is owned by the Unification Church of Reverend Sun Young Moon, the Moonies. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 3, 2008 3:01 PM:

    " I am a conservative. Real Conservatives left the Republican Party when the Bush corporate facists took over. I was for Ron Paul but that went nowhere. I'll support someone who will cut off ALL Foriegn Aid and support the Constitution as it was written. That's your answer, enough about me. "

    to disgusted wrote on May 3, 2008 12:27 PM:

    " Disgusted- You present yourself as presumably above the fray. The voice of reason telling everybody to cool off for a minute. Yet you went out of your way to note that you think most people in this are white. Why? Everyone HAS been articulating what they say except for the ones you probably agree with. That's why I posted below and begged for specifics for which to support the arguments I keep seeing that whites and republicans are racist, because I see much more racism from Al Sharpton, Howard Dean and Democrats. We're tired of it. "

    To What difference wrote on May 3, 2008 11:54 AM:

    " To "What difference" Thank-you first for expressing your point in such a kind way.
    Let me explain it in this way. If the school was handing out guns to kids to protect themselves, would you just say "What difference does it make as long as I raised my kid right"? I'm sure you wouldn't say that. The false sense of security and moral degradation that the guns would bring to the school would be a problem for you and I'm sure you'd feel justified in speaking out. Much in the same way we've been doing here. "

    Funny wrote on May 3, 2008 11:42 AM:

    " For condom supporters to say "what difference does it make as long as you raised your child with your values?"
    That's easy to say when you are not the one having these things pushed on you. If the tables were turned and kids were taught in school that homosexuality is wrong, Adam and Eve were the beginning (no other views allowed) and we forced a Bible on every student at major school functions I'm sure people would not just say "That's OK" Yes I raise my child well but she has enough tempation in teen years w/o this. "

    Bibles wrote on May 3, 2008 11:30 AM:

    " That's the point. Bibles would never be handed out in school because people would come unglued. But we are supposed to keep our mouth shut about condoms "

    Missing the main point wrote on May 3, 2008 11:27 AM:

    " I appreciate what "what difference" is trying to say but you all are missing the main point. Handing out condoms is not the job of the schools. And it's not this "they're going to do it anyway" thing. This DOES put more pressure to put out to boys who are only thinking of one thing. You might not think they do but I believe our young ladies deserve much more than that. Young ladies are only looking for love and deserve more than being used for 2 minutes in the back of a car. "

    hmmm wrote on May 3, 2008 11:10 AM:

    " Well that certainly shows you can't trust everything you read. Those "Right Wing" websites are quoting an anonomous "alias" (one of many that he uses). Where is the investigative reporting in that? "

    hmmm wrote on May 3, 2008 10:49 AM:

    " Oh, I see you are really just wanting Government handouts. OK...now I understand why it is that you hang onto Slavery. It's all clear to me now. "

    If you give out bibles... wrote on May 3, 2008 7:45 AM:

    " ...and we said you were forcing our kids to read it and convert, would we be right? Probably not. If you handed out bibles, you probably would just be offering an opportunity to kids who want to read it anyway. Kids who are brought up with the value to not have sex under certain circumstances aren't suddenly going to freak out over the sight of a condom and go wild. And if access to a condom gives your kid the idea to go have sex, you need to examine your values or your own actions...obviously there's something wrong there. "

    What difference does it make wrote on May 3, 2008 7:37 AM:

    " Dear MY child, it really shouldn't matter one way or the other if condoms are handed out. If you have done as good a job as you think raising your kid, getting a condom in a graduation package won't have any affect on them. If, like many parents, you are one who neglects YOUR child and expects society to take care of things, then getting a condom might protect these kids from disease and unwanted pregnancies. You see, if your values are strong, it's not going to make any difference. If not, the kid will have sex anyway. "

    To Billy Hill wrote on May 3, 2008 12:41 AM:

    " Hey Billy Hill, for somebody who says he is so opposed to "Right Wing" news, you sure are quoted alot on conservative web sites:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61003
    http://thefullquiverhomeschoolhouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/traditional-schools-are-not-for-teaching-academics
    http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=221606
    http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/aggregator.php?entry=530358 "

    To Billy Hill wrote on May 3, 2008 12:08 AM:

    " Billy Hill. Read the following definition of ethnocentricity below. Applied to race that is the same as racism. Note: It says "attitude that one's own group is superior" or in this case one's own race is superior. It is a bit more sinister than wanting to "hang out with people of the same color"- no matter what your planet of the apes actor says.
    From Merriam Webster:
    Main Entry: eth·no·cen·tric
    Pronunciation: \ˌeth-nō-ˈsen-trik\
    Function: adjective
    Date: 1900
    : ****characterized by or based on the attitude that one's own group is superior **** "

    Disgusted wrote on May 2, 2008 11:13 PM:

    " I have been reading many of the comments on this forum from mostly, presumably white people, ranting about everyone except them being racists except themselves. Everyone needs to stop for a moment, take a deep breath, and instead of shouting at each other, calmly talk and listen. Articulate your complaint, and try to understand the other person's perspective. See, this is the problem in this country, no one listens or tries to understand the other person. There's no communication, only arguing. Now, can we have a constructive and intelligent discourse? Stop pointing "

    About Fox News.. wrote on May 2, 2008 8:09 PM:

    " Fox News- What you see is what you get. Yes many of them ar conservative but at least they are not afraid to have liberals and other who disagree come on and debate them with a different view. YOU GET BOTH SIDES. That's why it's balanced.
    MSNBC- Kieth Obermann is PURE liberal propaganda. The man doesn't even have enough of a spine to have anybody on who disagrees with him. CNN,ABC,CBS,NBC- Report news (except for Beck and Dobbs) that pretends to be only fair news but is slanted just enough to push the liberal agenda. "

    Winston Smith wrote on May 2, 2008 5:40 PM:

    " Latest from San Gitmo Texas, the Peoples Republik has dropped the Domestic Violence Charge against one man leaving the ONLY charge one father who resisted having his children taken by the police. Meanwhile CPS in Texas is desperately trying to drum up something to justify this raid. "

    To Hmmm wrote on May 2, 2008 5:07 PM:

    " You mean there are no Jewish families accepting reparations checks even though the actual Holocaust survivors are long dead? "

    Feel sorry for kids wrote on May 2, 2008 2:07 PM:

    " Bisbee, prom condoms are just the begining of your controversies. Here are headlines regarding current school district of Gail Covington McBride Bisbee's new school board leader-*National Battle for Sex Education Waged in Montgomery County *Court Order Against Sex Ed Lessons Sought *Lessons on Homosexuality Move into Classroom *Montgomery County, Md. School Board finds "gay gene" *"Ex-gays" critical of Maryland sex ed curriculum - http://www.jewsonfirst.org/maryland.html "

    SICK AND TIRED wrote on May 2, 2008 12:02 PM:

    " I am SOOO tired of the insinuations that because I have white skin in America that I am a racist. It's usually the ones constantly crying racsim that are the biggest racists. If you are a victim of racism in your own life report it to the proper authorities. If you percieve a problem with racism in the country as a whole then give SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OR INSTANCES in your comments to support your assersions. When you run around crying Racism! Racism! without backing up what you say only expose yourself as the true racist. "

    hmmm wrote on May 2, 2008 11:47 AM:

    " I don't hear Jewish people using the Holocaust as a crutch to explain their social ills, I don't believe I've even heard the Japanese Americans using their internment during World War II as an excuse to their social ills. I think both groups point to their positive contributions to society and their successes. I suppose that may be a factor as to why some people succeed in life and others fail. It's about overcoming challenges and rising above those that try and oppress your attempts to succeed in life. Sounds like the caller has fallen victim to his own racism. "

    Billy Hill wrote on May 2, 2008 11:28 AM:

    " Racism is different than ethnocentricity, a natural want to be among ones own culture. During the filming of Planet of the Apes a Doctor noticed that in the begining the cast had lunch along racial lines, white, black, hispanics. At the end they were gathering chimps with chimps, Gorrillas with gorrillas, and Oragutans with Orangutans. "

    Slavery wrote on May 2, 2008 11:03 AM:

    " O.K. so any of us are justified to have hate and anger over things that happened to a groups of individuals hundreds of years ago. I guess then, because I am Christian I will be mad about the Roman persecution of Christians in the first century. I will blame the secularization of our schools on the Italians and mandate that they all attend sensitivity training. Do you see how obsurd that sounds? If someone is doing something to you in particular because of race report them, but don't try to suggest all whites are racist. "

    MY child wrote on May 2, 2008 8:29 AM:

    " What part of MY do you not understand. My child is my child. My family is my family. There is nothing wrong or illegal about not wanting my child to be sexualized. It is my right and responsibility to raise my child as I see fit WITHOUT government interference. THAT is the problem, so don't suggest that I should chill out. I don't live in communist China and the government doesn't raise my children I DO. If some kids have problems call CPS. Don't make this blanket remedy. "

    Just get over it wrote on May 2, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " If your so tired of people whining then don't give condoms to the children. How about if I hand out Bibles to your children in school, after all their soul needs protecting and I know better. Would you like that? That's the same attitude you have with the condoms. Next you will have your kids getting free syringes for their drugs (they're going to do it anyway). Might as well protect them. Handing out condoms had NOTHING to do with the education of children and the school has NO business doing it. "

    The First Caller Right wrote on May 2, 2008 8:12 AM:

    " The way to take care of the inner city problems is to force Write, Sharpton, and Jackson into retirement with their Mercades and Mansions and let somebody like Bill Cosby take over. Blame whitey has been used for 25 years and has done nothing for the inner city but give Al Sharpton job security. "

    delinquency wrote on May 2, 2008 7:38 AM:

    " Ha ha ha! That's hilarious. Kids having sex is not considered delinquency in this country. "

    re ghettos wrote on May 2, 2008 7:34 AM:

    " Amen! I'm so tired of hearing that we have to clean up these places--at tax payers' expense--so these 'poor people can have a chance.' It's not the 'ghettos' that beget this kind of people, it's this kind of people who beget 'ghettos.' In almost every low-cost housing program where blacks and Hispanics from the slums (sorry, but ghettos do consist mostly of blacks and Hispanics) were integrated into more affluent areas, those areas soon became as bad as the ghettos. Now why do you suppose that is? Since the location itself is inert, it must be the people in it. "

    Pauly wrote on May 2, 2008 6:57 AM:

    " He enslaved one, if this is a racist country then set yourself free. - LEAVE! "

    To Historically Challenged wrote on May 2, 2008 6:41 AM:

    " The reason Fry, or the west end is considered historical is that when there was only Fry and the west end, the rest of the town was scrub brush, grass, and mesquites where cattle grazed. The history of most of the "town" beyond 7th Street is post 1970 or even 1980. Not quite as historically significan yet, wouldn't you agree? "

    Slavery victim wrote on May 2, 2008 5:50 AM:

    " To the person who says don't forget about slavery... Yeah are you a slave? Were your parents a slave? If you answered no to both of those questions, then it is time to move on. Kewish people do not whine about the holocaust. They accept it and move on. Native Americans accept their defeat and have moved on. Why can't you do the same? Are you looking for a free hand out? Blacks aren't even the largest minority anymore. Give it a rest partner and be happy your not in Africa. "

    to discussing slavery wrote on May 2, 2008 5:48 AM:

    " Peopel wonder why there is still racisim in this country? Part of the problem is people want the title of African-Americans and Native-Americans and until we can stop segregating our races and become just plain old AMERICANS nothing will ever change. "

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