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Fence up, but will it work? Landowners’, officials’ views differ, but most see it as step forward

By Jonathon Shacat
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, Mar 27, 2008 - 05:21:01 am MST

BISBEE — Some fence construction along the U.S.-Mexico border in Cochise County that was slated for last year is still being completed this year.

Meanwhile, the government is planning to build about 11 miles of fencing in other areas of Arizona this year.

Construction on a section located just east of the San Pedro River was finished last week. Also, fence building is currently under way east of Naco, Ariz.. according to local landowners.

In 2008, about four miles of fencing will be built near Yuma, while about seven miles will be constructed near Nogales, according to government environmental assessments.


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Barry Morrissey, spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Washington, D.C., said it may be true that no more construction in Cochise County is planned for this year, but that does not mean some additional construction in this area may not be recommended in 2009.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was approved with the intent of preventing immigrants from illegally entering the United States.

Local property owners along the border, a government official and representatives of border watch groups agree the fence can be climbed. Some people are critical of the project, but others are optimistic.

Bill Odle, who owns 50 acres of land located along Border Road next to the San Pedro River Riparian National Conservation Area, said there is “no doubt” that people are crossing into the United States despite the presence of the fence.

He has seen evidence of illegal crossers, including tracks and trash, such as backpacks and toothbrushes. He also found some ladders and a piece of rope that was attached to the fence.

“The fence has stopped the vehicular traffic, but it has done nothing to stop the foot traffic,” he said.

He said the 13-foot-tall fence looks impressive, but it won’t stop a motivated person from finding a way over it.

He said instead the government should build 4-foot-tall barriers to prevent vehicles from crossing. Also, he added, a barbed wire fence would stop livestock from crossing, but not affect wildlife.

He said the only way to stop illegal immigrants is to fine the businesses that hire them.

If workers are needed for labor in the United States, then immigrants can come through the port of entry, he added.

John Ladd, who lives near Odle, said Border Patrol agents are catching 300 illegal immigrants per day on his family’s 14,000-acre ranch. About 10 1/2 miles of that land is located along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“This is probably the second worst it has been in the 16 years that we have let the Border Patrol patrol the ranch,” he said.

“In 2003, it was 400 to 500 a day.”

Ladd said the fence, which was costly to build, is not stopping people from crossing into the United States.

In addition, he said, the Border Patrol has not changed its tactics by putting additional agents along the fence to make sure people don’t climb it.

“For $2 million a mile, you can get a whole lot of Border Patrol to monitor the border,” he added.

Mike Scioli, spokesman for U.S. Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector, said that when people call to report border crossers, agents sometimes use a tactic of patrolling a mile or two north of the location.

“When you are working by yourself, you don’t want a group of 20 knowing you are coming. You want to be able to surprise them so they are shocked and you can get them under control right away,” he said.

Glenn Spencer, who owns 104 acres of property across the river from Ladd and Odle, said the 13-foot fence is simple to cross. For example, he said, people on the Mexican side can park a pickup truck along the border, get on top of the roof, climb a few feet over the fence, drop down onto the posts on the U.S. side and then jump down several feet.

“That is not designed to stop anybody,” he said, referring to the fence. “That is the easiest thing to climb.”

Scioli said Border Patrol realizes people will find a way to cross the border even if there is a fence.

But the fence acts as a deterrent. For instance, a group of individuals who illegally enter the United States and get spotted by an agent would have a difficult time running back to Mexico if a fence is in their way.

Richard Hodges, a rancher who owns 372 acres of land east of Naco near Bisbee Junction, said the government is currently building fence along the border near his property.

He owns one mile along the border.

He said so many people illegally cross the border and enter his property that “it is ridiculous.”

He hopes the fence will help protect his cows from smugglers and other immigrants.

“I am sure hoping that this is going to slow them down,” he said. “I will tell you, there is a certain type of person that can scale this thing and you can throw ropes over it and stuff. But mom and pop and the grandkids and grandma and grandpa and all that, they are going to have problems with it. So it is definitely going to help out. That is for sure.”

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps started building a mile-long fence along the border on Hodges’ property last year, but the project is still not complete. Hodges said he would like to see the Minuteman fence finished because “two fences are better than one.”

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps intends to complete the fence pending receipt of additional funding, said Al Garza, national executive director of the group.

Hodges credits the Minuteman project for being the catalyst to get the government to start building its own border fence.

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps supports the government’s fence project because it is one of the key elements of border security, said Garza, who lives in Huachuca City.

“If you have wide open land, as far as they are concerned, it is free territory. But if you put a fence there, normally that serves as a deterrent,” he said.

Spencer, who is president of American Border Patrol, a non-governmental organization, said he is in favor of fence construction in general, but not this particular project.

He has accused the government of inflating estimates of the number of miles of completed fencing by including permeable vehicle barriers. The Secure Fence Act of 2006 actually called for building at least 700 miles of “double fencing.” He said the government needs to follow through with this plan.

According to a report by Congressional Research Service, double fencing significantly reduced apprehensions in the San Diego sector.

At the Imperial Beach station and Chula Vista station, primary fence was constructed beginning in fiscal year 1990 and secondary fence was constructed in fiscal year 1996.

Apprehensions at Imperial Beach station decreased from 202,173 people in fiscal year 1992 to 9,112 people in fiscal 2004.

But the majority of the drop occurred from fiscal year 1995 to 1998 — a period of time during which there was fence construction and an increase in agents and other resources deployed along the border.

Meanwhile, apprehensions at Chula Vista station decreased from 158,952 people in fiscal year 1992 to 9,923 people in fiscal year 2004. The rate of decline in the mid-1990s lagged behind the rate of decline at Imperial Beach station, thereby suggesting that as enforcement was ramped up at Imperial Beach station, migration shifted to Chula Vista.

“There is no question the double fence works. The single fence is just not effective,” Spencer said.

Spencer is also concerned that the government won’t even build a single layer of fencing along the 1/2-mile section of border near his property. Last week, a section of single-layer fence was finished on the other side of the San Pedro River, he said.

Morrissey said the government is first targeting fence construction projects in the areas where there is a lot of illegal cross-border activity. “Just like any other thing you are approaching systematically, as you solve major problems, then you start to look for minor problems,” he said.

Herald/Review reporter Jonathon Shacat can be reached at 515-4693 or by e-mail at jonathon.shacat@bisbeereview.net.



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    con air wrote on Mar 31, 2008 4:28 AM:

    " I drive to douglas every day, and have for 10 years. I have never seen a coyote. The last 2 weeks I have seen 4. This shows that the fence is working for now. "

    Sierra Vista Resident wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:15 AM:

    " Good fences make good neighbors. My yard is fenced (isn't yours?). In Mexico most houses have large high walls, so they can keep the rif-raf out. That's what we need, a high wide wall to keep the rif-raf out. "

    native2 wrote on Mar 29, 2008 11:19 AM:

    " Native,you're obviously a bp agent. What do they have to put up with? "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:50 PM:

    " As the article states, "most see it as a step forward"...hard to dispute that fact as reported, and the fence, simply by being built works. say loud and clear 'YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE UNLESS YOU ENTER LEGALLY", that alone is worth the money...keep sending that message to ALL illegals (that for the benefit of the those who will claim I am a bigot or racist when I am agains ALL ILLEGALS. "

    native wrote on Mar 27, 2008 9:15 PM:

    " Ask any Border patrol agent what they have to put up with from John Ladd. They would rather let the illegals through than put up with him. He only wants them around to prevent his fences from being cut. "

    Bobby wrote on Mar 27, 2008 2:29 PM:

    " What isn't working is not only an issue of the "fence". What also isn't working is President Bush, Senator McCain, and the Democratic Party as a whole. If that's not working the fence sure won't. "

    Larry B wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:20 PM:

    " The Bush administration's "open borders/amnesty" immigration policy has done immeasurable damage to our nation. Forty percent of all illegal aliens domiciled in the U.S. arrived here since January, 2001. What a rotten stinking Busch legacy! "

    Pop! wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:11 PM:

    " I have to admit I'm confused. I thought all the illegals had left Arizona because of the new law...why are more coming?

    Please keep spending my taxpayer dollars to build this fence because the lure of construction jobs in Arizona's booming housing industry is obviously much too much of an attraction to these lawbreakers. "

    Double talk wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:02 PM:

    " Hey, Barry Morrissey, spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Washington, D.C., The Secure Fence Act of 2006 not only intended to deter illegal immigration, BUT PROVIDED FOR A FENCE THAT IS TO RUN ALMOST THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE ARIZONA BORDER, except for a topographically challenging area at the very SE corner. "..but that does not mean some additional construction in this area may not be recommended in 2009." is DOUBLE TALK! You're an oxymoron. WHERE'S MY FENCE ALREADY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Touchy feely politics is what has got us into this total mess. WHERE'S OUR FENCE?? "

    Sucker wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:57 AM:

    " Ladd says the 13' high fence doesnt work? Then why the heck did he ask the Minutemen CDC to build him 10 miles of 5 strand cow fence along the south side of his property? And WHY did Simcox-MCDC build cow fence when they promised to build an Isreali Barrier? 'Gonna build it when they get more donations' Garza says.....but they wont show people how much money theyve raised since 2006! Give me a break.....stop reporting on the Minutemen...Garza, Simcox and Mercer are frauds. "

    Yes, wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:39 AM:

    " the people have spoken and this is supposedly one of the hottest debates in America; however, have you noticed all the candidates are barely spending any time discussing it?

    Politicians are afraid to address the issue lest they be labeled racist by the illegal supporters. Rather a shame. "

    teejay223 wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:27 AM:

    " This is a single-layer fence?

    I thought we were promised a 2-layer fence?

    We are getting virtual security which does not work, we are getting single-layer fences that can easily be climbed, we are getting vehicle barriers which will only stop vehicles.

    Why are we not getting the 2-layer fence and why is the National Guard being removed in a few months? "

    Jimi wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:30 AM:

    " More government games, they never intended to build this thing, it was an excuse to pacify the republicans before the 06 election. Now it has been gutted and will be eliminated after Bush leaves. The Feds goal of the NAU is right on track, this fence is a minor problem as it will never be built. Hard to believe but the Feds are now the enemy of the people it is supposed to serve, time for another Tea Party. "

    Billy Hill wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:29 AM:

    " If you donate millions to the Bush Presidential Library they will skip your property when building it. Ask some Hallibuton execs who own land along the border. "

    Young Citizen wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:28 AM:

    " I recently visited Bisbee and talked to a man who said he would take me and my friends through the mines and he also mentioned getting across the border through the underground mine, was he telling a lie? I don’t know for sure but I really do believe they are entering the country in various ways maybe even ways we don’t yet know about.
    "

    Iris Lynch wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:18 AM:

    " Yesterday a number of my single female friends were discussing what they have done to be safe in their homnes. Most live in 'gated' communities, but they understand that people still get in and have stories to tell about illegals showing up and asking for a place to sleep! They also have alarm systems, window bars, cacti plants and a gun and a bat or a heavy duty flashlight at their bedside. You see THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PROTECTING THEMSELVES. And WE should get serious about prtoecting our nation! A fence? YES. MORE is better. "

    Pauly wrote on Mar 27, 2008 5:58 AM:

    " The people have spoken. We want the illegal immigration stopped. The fence will help. "

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