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Volunteers sought to use high-tech border cameras over Internet

By Jonathon Shacat
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, Mar 13, 2008 - 10:19:27 am MST

PALOMINAS — Glenn Spencer sat in front of a set of computer screens Wednesday morning in his office here and monitored activity along a nine-mile stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border.

Using his mouse, he controlled the pan, the tilt, the zoom and the contrast of a thermal camera.

“This is the San Pedro River there,” he said, pointing to a screen. “When you look down there at night with this camera system, if there was a person down there, they would stand out like a Christmas tree light at five miles away.”

Spencer, president of American Border Patrol, a non-governmental organization, has long used this high-tech, sophisticated camera equipment to look for illegal immigrants.


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But now he is seeking volunteers to help out.

“As we have learned over the years, it’s great if you have a camera down there, but all we would do is sit around and watch it. People may pop up every hour or every three or four hours,” he said, adding, “The problem is we have to stay up all night to see anything. It’s taking all of our time.”

So American Border Patrol developed software that lets people control the cameras via the Internet. The group is accepting applications from members of the general public who want to watch out for human smugglers and drug smugglers during 30-minute intervals. If someone sees something, the person would contact American Border Patrol and that group would in turn report it to U.S. Border Patrol officials.

The thermal camera works optimally during nighttime, but it also can be used during daylight hours. Besides it, there are four other cameras in the network that can be used during daytime or semi-night conditions. Together, the five cameras cost more than $100,000.

Mike Christie, director of operations for American Border Patrol, said the camera network “is usable now and will only get better in the future.”

“Ultimately, what we would like to see is a series of thermal cameras along with daylight cameras mounted on masts or towers all along the border that can be controlled over the Internet by volunteers,” he said. “It is certainly doable, it’s just a matter of getting funding.”

For information on the American Border Patrol, visit www.americanborderpatrol.com.

Herald/Review reporter Jonathon Shacat can be reached at 515-4693 or by e-mail at jonathon.shacat@bisbeereview.net.



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    Curious wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:16 PM:

    " To that's just silly, your personal information is associated with your drivers license, if you give your real number. It is not very smart to distribute your personal information to someone not covered by Privacy Act laws. And from what I understand, Spencer has neighbors around him. I wonder what they think about people running all those unrestricted cameras. How would you feel about that? If those cameras are fixed on Mexico, it would not be a problem, but do you know for sure? "

    That's just silly wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:25 PM:

    " To Curious, I would guess that he is asking for a drivers licence number to ensure you are not an illegal alien, since illegal aliens can't get drivers licences. As for your question about who's being watched...I really had to laugh. That was pretty funny! Who's privacy do you think might be violated out in the middle of a desert wash? Two hormone filled teenagers meeting secretly in the desert? That's just silly! "

    Curious wrote on Mar 26, 2008 9:56 AM:

    " I finally went to his website. The main thing I see is SEND MONEY, and also, Spencer wants your drivers license number on his application. I have to ask, what sort of accountability does this guy have? Why would I entrust my personal information to him? Is the Sheriff's department validating these drivers license numbers for him? Is that legal? Are these cameras only directed towards Mexico, or can they be repositioned remotely? Just who potentially is being watched? What about privacy laws? Not a chance of seeing these questions answered. "

    Sierra VIsta Resident wrote on Mar 24, 2008 2:13 AM:

    " Help ICE & Customs by using the toll free number to report suspicious activity: 1-866-347-2423.
    I've sent this number in several time and the editors have not printed it yet. But on another board, after a complaint they said re-send the number. "

    John Harris wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:29 PM:

    " I will be more than happy to help our cause helping to stop the Illegal Immigration and the drug smugglers.. just let me know how I can help with the surveillance from my home... "

    robert wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:00 PM:

    " It is a shame that we the American people have to do what the government cannot or will not do. To many special interest groups and or companies have their hands in our elected official’s pocket. I thought it was a crime to take BRIBES?????? They should be prosecuted. Like all other criminals "

    TopAssistant wrote on Mar 16, 2008 6:41 AM:

    " Keep in mind folks, illegal aliens are also radical Islamic terrorists. The government, media, and our illegal alien loving groups have framed the illegal immigration issue, as just Juan and Maria are here taking jobs Americans will not nor cannot do. This is BULL and is just a public relations campaign. Just wait until the “peaceful” religion of Islam starts with detonating their body bombs in local Wal-Mart and watch the opinion change and change fast. Travis County, Texas has approximately 20- Middle Eastern people a week changing their surnames to Hispanic ones. I wonder why? "

    Really? wrote on Mar 15, 2008 6:01 PM:

    " I can see the healthy eagles waiting too. "

    russ pearce wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:42 PM:

    " if you would allow the public to veiw/operate the camaras from the internet you would inessence defeat its purpose. i can see a drug lord or a illeagle waiting to cross the boarder. he has a lap top and a cell phone and calls to see if he could veiw the fence. he turns it looking east so that now he can cross over without being seen OR reported. not a very smart idea!!! "

    xnylady wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:13 PM:

    " I signed up, I believe it is very important, I hope a lot of people will take a couple of hours a day out of their life to help stop this madness. "

    dave wrote on Mar 15, 2008 3:22 PM:

    " This whole ILLEGAL border mess is on BUSH. He has sold out America. He is a TRAITOR in my mind. He and Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid,McCain, and the rest of the sell outs in our goverment. It's time for the American people to take up arms against this criminal goverment, and take our country back. "

    RLee wrote on Mar 15, 2008 10:01 AM:

    " What about the bad guys (Illegal aliens)or those closely associated with the bad guys ending up as volunteers to watch the cameras? That's like the fox's family and associates watching the henhouse for the farmer. C'mon, can't the United States government do one of the three mandatory jobs the U.S. Constitution dictates it is suppose to do without seeking non-paying volunteers? The security of the borders is the job of the U.S. government. Take some of the trillions of dollars being used to protect the Afghanistan /Pakistan borders and use it on the United States borders! "

    Tom wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:31 PM:

    " I assume you'll make some effort to verify that volunteers aren't working for smugglers or pro-immigration activist groups that would use the system in collusion with smugglers or illegals. Too bad you have to think that way, but it's a realistic possibility. "

    Joseph Branscome wrote on Mar 14, 2008 5:58 PM:

    " What good would watching them come in do , If the AMERICAN GOVERMENT want give us the power to stop them .------WAKE UP AMERICAN VOTERS , we need a national leader with MORRALS . "

    AzLuna wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:31 PM:

    " To Jason Cohen: You just have NO clue. Go do some research regarding this invasion and then come back. For some reason, I highly doubt that will do any good. You know, they do say that liberalism IS a disease for which there is no cure. "

    haydon wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:52 PM:

    " Good idea if the gov. will not do their job then the citize must. "

    AzLuna wrote on Mar 14, 2008 12:43 PM:

    " To Palominas resident: What part of ILLEGAL do you not seem to understand?! It's ok if immigrants want to come here for a better life. All I and many Americans just like me ask is if they do it LEGALLY!!! Not hop a fence, swim a channel, dig a tunnel, stuff themselves under the dash of cars. Do it LEGALLY!! They are breaking the LAW! What don't you and countless other dense people not understand about that?? "

    Robert Huffman wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:56 AM:

    " To Palominas Resident.. I bet if the US government did REAL enforcement of the border you would not come back here. I have said before the solution is simple. Put a soldier every 1/8th of a mile with an M16. Tell every person that wants to cross where the LEGAL entry point/method is and SHOOT ALL OTHERS CROSSING ILLEGALLY. Bet you would not come back. At least Spencer is trying to do something to help. "

    Huh? wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:34 PM:

    " Huh? "Jason Cohen" are you ok? We don't need illegal aliens to do work. We need legal residents and legal foreign guest workers to do work. Illegals can go home from where they came. They are criminals and too lazy to line up at the US Consulate to get the proper documentation to work legally. "

    Willie wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:00 PM:

    " I think this is a good idea and the need to sucure our border is not a racist one, it's a need for survival and it's a dang shame it has come down to this but it's all due to the over inflation of the illegals due to their corrupt Govt. And it is also due to the drug cartels which is a big money maker. People are weak and others will prey on that weakness, dope loads have been found with words "this is our war on America" "

    azdave wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:48 PM:

    " I'm not fond of Spencer and his ABP crew (I tend to think of them as vigilante wannabes), but I fully support the use of cameras to detect illegals. And yes, the US Border patrol is generally (though not always) responsive to alerts from citizens ... they have responded quickly about 90% of the times I've called in a bunch. As far as distinguishing illegals from BP agents or ordinary citizens, if you've ever watched a group coming across you'd know that it is pretty easy to tell them from anything else just by watching their movements. "

    Grandma wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:14 PM:

    " To those of you questioning who to get a hold of, try clicking the link americanborerpatrol.com. Takes you right there to volunteer. "

    Al Davies wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:35 PM:

    " 1. Thank you Glen for everything you are doing for our country, you have done wonders in showing the people and the government what is really going on at the border.
    2. The criticism never ends, and I sometimes wonder if there are any true patriotic americans left in this country. It seems that only traitors, and illegals lovers live here anymore, or are they the only ones who will speak up for their traitorist agendas.
    Pitty this nation if they get their way and all the degenerates of the world are allowed to come here unchallenged.
    "

    Yonaton wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:08 PM:

    " Hey, 'Observer'...your rant *against* ABP only shows that you couldn't care less about stopping illegals from entering this country, which means you don't care for this country. Leave if you don't like seeing folks trying to *HELP* the Border Patrol catch illegals. "

    ED BARET wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:33 PM:

    " KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MEN. GOD BLESS you. "

    LEGALAmerican wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:32 PM:

    " Gee, looks like "Observer" is a little miffed at someone trying to DO something about a big problem? "

    Bobby wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:02 PM:

    " Observer, get real. Mr. Glenn Spencer has more intelligence in his little finger than you have in total. If it were up to people like you, the government would already have us enslaved. At least Glenn does his best to keep them honest, that 's why smart people give him money. Duh! "

    jason cohen wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:53 PM:

    " this country needs people to work let them come ..... that, you are old and some day you gonna die and whos gonna be here to do the work. tell me stuborn people. "

    AzLuna wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:44 PM:

    " To Observer: You know, it's people like you who are contributing to the collapse of this country. You just don't get it. We are being invaded, and if it takes someone like Glenn to actually DO something to deter the ILLEGAL activity going on at our borders, then so be it! I don't see YOU doing anything about it! Get a CLUE!!! Are you really that dense, or do you just not CARE!? "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:19 AM:

    " to "Observer", please explain how wanting to aid in the battle against illegals equates in your mind with "a hate roup". I see no evidence that he is obsessed with only one type of illegal,one type of activity, so, since when does wanting the law enforced (and wanting to aid that endeavor as our forefathers did) become a sign of hate? and what makes him "an old goat"? and if he is a "valuable adjunct to the federal effort, how does that change your perceptions? not saying he is, but you imply he is not. "

    Palominas resident wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:59 AM:

    " Get a life, cant these people waste their time doing something better like helping charity. Us Mexicans will still cross, you put alligators near that fence we will still get around it. "

    Todd wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:13 AM:

    " Great idea. I do like the idea of having the viewing open to everybody. Too bad the government is not doing it's job of protecting the American people and securing the boarder. "

    Observant wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:08 AM:

    " The first poster, observer, must be a member of one of the illegals lover groups, such as BAN. I would guess that the Border Patrol would rather have Spencer as a friend that BAN. I belong to the same hate group observer mentions, hating what the illegals are doing to this country. "

    jack wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:48 AM:

    " The need for volunteers would be obviated if they used common video motion detection techniques to ring an alarm during periods of activity. Of course with the build up of federal border systems, the need for citizen watchdogs is sharply reduced. These guys will never have a network as sophisticated as Uncle Sams, so why bother? I see this article just an attempt to drum up money for these guys to play with their toys. "

    Billy Hill wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:46 AM:

    " Isn't that the same old thing, go out and spend money on cameras and not have anyone there to watch them. Americans still believe gadgets are the answer to every problem.
    Closing that border is the US Governments job and if it isn't being done we need to replace the elected officials who aren't doing it. I don't care about illegals, forty percent of the drugs coming into this country are coming through "

    t wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:02 AM:

    " In seeing persons of interest, how are these people to know if they are seeing illegals or hunters/campers or BP Agents out there. Just because an image is viewed doesn't mean that it is illegal activity. "

    Pauly wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:51 AM:

    " I think it's a good idea BUT OK you see an illegal crossing. You contact the USBP. Do they react and does it make a difference? "

    anon wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:52 AM:

    " Instead of just asking for volunteers that may not always be on when they say, lets open it up to everyone that cares to pull up the website. You dont need to necessarily give authority to control the camera, but let everyone see. Im pretty sure there would always be someone looking. "

    Ken wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:48 AM:

    " Info on how to contact them to volunteer would have been helpful. "

    bill taylor wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:50 AM:

    " how do we get ahold of someone to volunteer? phone #, etc. "

    Observer wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:34 AM:

    " Here we go again . . . the SV Herald remains enamored with the California transplant-weirdo, legitimizing him with fine-sounding articles like this. I suppose spending his money on a system of high tech cameras and a Cessna 206 airplane is O.K.--people like Spencer can waste their money as they see fit. But has anyone, like the reporter of this article, sought out the Border Patrol for comment and analysis, whether Spencer's hate group American Border Patrol, is a valuable adjunct to the federal effort, or just an old goat who gets underfoot? "

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