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Employer-sanctions law forces illegal immigrants to move on

By Jacques Billeaud
Associated Press
Published/Last Modified on Monday, Mar 03, 2008 - 06:34:29 am MST

PHOENIX — Parents are pulling students out of school. Construction workers are abandoning their jobs. Families are hastily moving out of apartments.

Two months after Arizona enacted a law punishing employers who hire illegal immigrants, the law is already achieving one of its goals: Scores of immigrants are fleeing to other states or back to their Latin American homelands.

Gaby Espinoza, who has been unemployed since November, is among those affected. She gave up looking for a job because of the law and may have to return to Mexico.

Espinoza’s husband works here legally, but the law means that employers must ask her for papers, and she faces the daily fear of being deported.



“There’s no work over there in Mexico,” said Espinoza, who has three U.S.-born children. “People there live so poorly. Here, my kids have health insurance and Medicare. Over there, there’s nothing.”

Jose Perez Leon, a laborer in Phoenix who wants to return to his home in Mexico City, said jobs were plentiful when he came to Arizona about 18 months ago but began to dry up in the last three months.

“I don’t like it here anymore because of everything that’s happening,” he said. “There’s no work.”

The Republican-controlled Legislature and Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano approved the law last summer out of frustration with federal efforts to curb illegal immigration. It took effect Jan. 1.

The law suspends or revokes the business licenses of violators and was intended to reduce the economic incentive for immigrants to sneak across the border. Illegal immigrants account for an estimated one in 10 workers in Arizona, which is the nation’s busiest gateway for illegal immigration.

Business groups have challenged the law. While awaiting a ruling, prosecutors agreed to hold off bringing cases to court until at least March 1.

Republican state Rep. Russell Pearce designed the law to reduce spending on educating and providing health care for illegal immigrants and their families, and to encourage them to leave Arizona.

“Why in the world do (illegal immigrants) think they have a right to break the law? And we are the bad guys for insisting that the law be enforced? The public doesn’t agree with that,” Pearce said.

Many school officials believe the law has played a role in falling enrollment. The state’s struggling economy and slumping housing market are other factors.

Several districts reported losing more than 100 students at least in part because of the law.

The Isaac School District in central Phoenix, with a student body that is 96 percent Hispanic, lost 500 students, said district spokesman Abedon Fimbres.

The departure of so many students upsets people like Jackie Doerr, who is principal at Andalucia Primary School, which is in a separate district in west Phoenix. She said teachers had made progress teaching English to many of the children.

“They have to leave and start all over again. It’s just so frustrating when you see how far they have come,” Doerr said. “They are probably going to lose it, especially if they go back to Mexico. They are definitely going to have problems.”

The law has also contributed to rising vacancies in Phoenix. The slow economy and a market overloaded with rental homes have exacerbated the problem, said Terry Feinberg, president of the Arizona Multihousing Association, a rental housing industry group.

Even so, property managers have reported that the law has also driven away Hispanics who are legally in the country, Feinberg said.

The construction industry says some of its workers are leaving, too, for California, Nevada, Colorado or Texas.

Veronica Avalos, an illegal immigrant who has lived in Arizona for 13 years, has been caring for her three children alone since January. Her husband’s Arizona employer closed its doors. He now works in San Antonio building swimming pool decks.

Avalos and her children plan to join him in the coming months, but she worries how the move will affect her 11-year-old son, who is partially blind and has mild mental disabilities.

“We need to look for a school, services and programs for him. He has all those things right now,” Avalos said. “But I don’t know what will happen in Texas.”

Associated Press Writer Terry Tang contributed to this report.



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    Concerned American wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:33 AM:

    " The key word is illegal. If it is illegal it is illegal. Should we allow stealing if it helps someone? "

    robyn wrote on Mar 21, 2008 4:11 PM:

    " They should suspend and deport ALL immigrants who have been here legally and have commited crimes. Whether they be small, non payment of child support, to murder. that would open up permits to people who really do want to better their lives and the lives of people in this country. I believe that being in this country is a privalige and not a right. If they were going to make undocumented people leave this country, then why allow them federal funds to pay for giving birth. Why allow undocumented people have kids who are automatically become citizens. "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:08 PM:

    " I did some research for you since you believe I'm rewriting history. Below is the URL I posted for the Iran Revolution: http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch29ir.html
    Below are some URLs for the overthrow of Ferdinand Marcos: http://www.answers.com/topic/ferdinand-marcos
    http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761557463_2/Ferdinand_Marcos.html
    This next URL shows the Orange Revolution: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901041206-832153,00.html
    "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:00 PM:

    " I'm not sure how you get the perception that I sit around the table and tell my kids not to take certain jobs...that's ludicrous. I encourage them to take what ever job they qualify for (which isn't much) or what ever interests them. They need the work experience to learn skills...so your perceptions are a bit off base. "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:50 PM:

    " To "Framer", no one has rewritten history. I provided you the URLs so you can research for yourself. The Orange Revolution, the overthrow of the Shah of Iran and the overthrow of Ferdinand Marcos are all examples of recent historic events that clearly prove that high tech weaponry or help from another nation is not needed for a revolution to succeed. It was the British and the Russians who placed the Shah back in power after they invaded during WWII...not the US. Please check your facts. I already posted on URL, here's another. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/mohammad_rezashah/mohammad_rezashah.php "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:19 PM:

    " over and over again I say, that there ARE currently Americans doing those jobs, and due to the influx of ILLEGALS, they are bing paid substandard wages,yet they are still dong them, so all of you who think otherwise need to wake up and look around....that is a very very lame argument and is false false false! "

    Framer wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:20 AM:

    " Oh & Chris makes a valid & truthful point.
    Who will fulfill those jobs?
    None of you people want those jobs & your children certainly don't want them either. Each & every one of you have sat around the diner table many times & stated, in the presence of your children, those jobs are sub par & beneath you.
    Spring is right around the corner & it's going to be interesting to hear you all complain about the price of a landscaper, pool cleaner, Heating & Cooling contractor to service your condenser. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:11 AM:

    " To citizen:
    Re-writing history doesn't validate your point also.
    Tibet, Iraq, Kosovo,Tiananmen Square China, are all examples of recent historic events that clearly prove without high tech weaponry or help from another nation, a revolution cannot succeed.

    Oh & the Shah of Iran was an ally of the USA. The government at that time was a puppet government established by the USA & the Shah was overthrown because President Jimmy (I never met a dictator I didn't like) Carter allowed it to happen.
    "

    Huh? wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:42 PM:

    " How bout people like you "Chris"! There you go. "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:41 PM:

    " "sierravistan" you are right. The illegal aliens won't do anything to change their country if we continue to provide them free handouts and jobs. The catalyst to change in their country is to deny illegal aliens any jobs, rights or benefits in ours. Wait for the issue to come to a boil and point them in the direction of Mexico City. "

    Chris wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:32 AM:

    " Now who in the heck is going to do all of the work? "

    To Framer on History wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:41 AM:

    " They DID have guns . . . that they TOOK FROM their OPPRESSORS.

    It can be done, and it HAS been done.
    All that is required is the desire and the will to make it happen.

    The Mexican could do it as well. "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 16, 2008 6:24 AM:

    " and to all, until the Mexican peole stay home and show any signs at all that they want a better, different government, absolutely NOTHING will change, they are content to be walked all over and have to leave their homes and families because they do not have the backbone to even begin standing up to their government...guns, sticks, stones, all require at least some show by the people that change is wanted, and they show no signs of that by running to the United States demanding rights they have not the nerve to demand at home!!!! "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 15, 2008 9:17 PM:

    " Avoiding the counter points doesn't validate your point even further. When people are desperate enough or oppressed enough, they don't need high tech weaponry to overthrow their Government. The Philippinos didn't need weapons to remove Ferdinand Marcos from power. There is no reason the Mexicans can't do the same to their government. They can rise up and overthrow the government offices. A mass demonstration of people is a powerful force, especially when it is orchestrated towards the sole purpose of enforcing change. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 15, 2008 10:18 AM:

    " To Read History:

    The Jews were armed with guns during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
    You're just validating my point even further..... You don't bring a knife to a gun fight. "

    What is the Fuss about? wrote on Mar 15, 2008 9:46 AM:

    " What's the Fuss about? We'll help arm them for a revolution. I'm all for that! We'll supply the weaponry and in return they supply the prime real estate. Sounds like a great deal! Shoot, we can help them re-establish a legitimate government. We are great at nation building. Heck, I think if we just help them become our 51st State we can support that so much better. We'd have a much larger tax base to rebuild their infrastructure and bring them into the 21st Century, heck even bring them through the 20th Century. "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 15, 2008 9:40 AM:

    " Framer, I'm afraid you are wrong. Khomeini was in France when the revolution started. He encouraged civil demonstrations and dissent of those who were tired of the oppressive Shaw Government. It was the Shaw who had the Soviet weaponry. It was the college students to over ran the government buildings and eventually the US Embassy. Most had stones, sticks and fire. You avoided explaining the revolution phenomenon in the Ukraine - The Orange Revolution. Your premise that revolutions have to have military support is not an absolute. A true revolution requires the population backing. http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch29ir.html "

    Framer wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:24 AM:

    " To Citizen:
    No, Ruhollah Khomeini over through the Shah & had purchased weapons from the Soviet Union in order to do so. Even in Kosovo the Albanians needed military assistance from N.A.T.O. to over throw the Serbs. Revolutions cannot be won nor could even occur without military help. The 1989 events in Tiananmen Square proved that. "

    Read History wrote on Mar 15, 2008 7:20 AM:

    " For those who feel the Mexicans can't retake their Country from the corrupt Govrnment, "when all they have are rocks".
    I have 3 words:

    "Warsaw Ghetto Uprising" "

    Sierra VIsta Resident wrote on Mar 15, 2008 12:57 AM:

    " Lets see, so if I read all this correctly, the illegals actually have two choices:
    Live in the US and complain not enoug is GIVEN to them; or be a hero in their own country fighting for their own rights.
    Well, we see what their opinion is...if they won't fight for their own country, will they support ours? "

    Framer wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:14 PM:

    " To sierravistan:

    But that was in 1847. You still can't compare the technology of weaponry in 1847 to the technology of weaponry in 2008. Why even my XD-45 is no match against a Daisy Cutter. "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:49 PM:

    " Iran overthrew the Shaw, Urkraine overthrew their government. It was the sheer number of people that participated that facilitated those revolutions. And it happened only a few years ago instead of 232 years ago. Revolutions are won by people with a mission or goal. It is not for the weak hearted or social minded. I do agree that we need to do away with Social programs though. Too many of our own citizens have come to expect free handouts rather that work for a living. Not sure why those benefits would be extended to illegals. "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:17 PM:

    " and addition to Framer, and you can use the excuse that the government has all the weapons, but you have to consider that during the War of the Cross, the indigenous peoples of Quintana Roo staged an uprising and had their religious and agricultural beliefs not interfered would have been independent of Mexico, so gun ownership is not a valid excuse, these people used farm implements and almost achieved their goal. if they want it badly enough, they can achive it. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:03 PM:

    " To sierravistan:
    You can't compare our revolution 232 years ago to any revolution that could/might happen today. 200+ years ago, the most powerful weapon on the battle field was a cannon & our fore fathers were capable of building or purchasing a few to arm themselves with. The Mexicans have nothing but stones to throw at their oppressors.
    And yes, you're so right when you say it's not our responsibility to take care of them. That's why the best way to end illegal immigration is to put an end of these social programs that entice them to come here. "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:41 AM:

    " "Framer", you are correct when stating that it would be difficult for them to rise up and become a free people, however, it was also difficult (agreed different) for our forefathers to do the same, yet they did,any people truly desiring to be free can at least make the attempt rather just giving up, (when did they ever attempt it? they continually trade one oppressive government for another, an uneducated people cannot appreciate freedom, but they sure can appreciate freebies! and it is NOT our duty to take care of them all, we owe our own first... "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:12 PM:

    " I'm not sure what the fuss is about. There were a few articles in the Tucson Star earlier this week that reported that the number of Mexican's lining up at the American Consulate to apply for guest worker permits was increasing significantly since the AZ Sanction law took effect. As those Mexican families that have illegal alien ties leave those Mexican families that come in legally will replace that work force. The Arizona economy will continue to roll, while Texas will feel the impact of the surge of illegals coming in to their state. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 13, 2008 3:12 PM:

    " To Styx:
    Oh yes I agree they do need a revolution but, that's impossible for any group of people to perform when the controlling government owns all of the guns.
    Once again I will say;
    They are not coming here for jobs, they are coming here for our social programs. Go to the D.E.S. in Douglas & count how many Mexican license plates you will see in the parking lot in comparison to A.Z. license plates you will see.
    You want to blame business for employing them? Well start with the biggest employer of them all.... our state government! "

    Framer wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:14 AM:

    " To Robert Huffman

    I'm not a Republican
    I just state the facts.
    You should be elated over your new neighbors & have a secure comfort feeling knowing your voting base has grown in numbers. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:11 AM:

    " To sierravistan

    You need to go see a doctor. Every question I was asked I answered (how much per hour I earn, $15.00) I'm the person who asked the question of the cost of a 2,000 sqft home in a union state & I'm still waiting for your answer.
    I also addressed the article mentioning the fact that LEGAL MEXICAN CITIZENS ARE LEAVING TOO! & that can & will impact the economy here in S.V. in a negative way. Read the article again, 3rd paragraph, "Espinoza’s husband works here legally" "

    Styx wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:47 PM:

    " in response to FRAMER....they need a revolution...thats what WE had to do to obtain our freedoms...they dont seem too afraid to come here & commit crimes, run drugs & GUNS, and take absoloute advantage of everything we have to offer our citizens...the jobs they take here COULD go to developmentally disabled people, single mothers, and undereducated people. I DONT feel sorry for them,..HATIANS are oppressed, not Mexicans.And we send them back. "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:40 PM:

    " to Framer, hope you like living in your own little dream world, first, you do NOT discuss the agenda of the article, next you talk about everythings else without ever answering any one's questions (e the cost of the 2000sq ft h ouse) and and what false allegations being made about SV business, what the drywall co raided for hiring illegla (what was false about that) other than that, the REST of us are talking about the effects of the illegals, meanwhile you live in your own little place, "

    Robert Huffman wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:35 AM:

    " To CJ and all others that think there is some kind of a "difference" between drug running and Illegal immigration. Look in any dictionary and compare the definition of Legal and Illegal. We are not punishing them for something they did not do. they came into this country ILLEGALLY get it? illegal means illegal. enter the country legally and you are welcome, enter illegally and we will oust you. and to framer, I am a democrat living in texas. and an illegal could not vote here or any other state. typical idiot phrase from republicans! "

    Framer wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:02 AM:

    " Reply to sierravistan:
    And I'm concerned about the false allegations being made towards small businesses here in S.V.
    If you are really concerned about illegal immigration then you would be writing to your state representative instead of posting in the S.V. Herald.
    I for one do support this law. Not for the reasons everyone else here supports it but, for the simple fact that it will drive out the Democratic voting base.
    I hope you're not a Democrat because your votes are moving to Texas.
    "

    Framer wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:48 AM:

    " Reply To Framer:

    Framing is slow these days "

    CJ wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:03 AM:

    " My comment was not that women are illegal; rather that the economic argument for throwing illegal immigrants out is weak at best.

    We make the legal-illegal distinction seem so important. It's not. Drug running is bad. Human smuggling is bad. Crossing the border to find work and support your family is not bad--it's the federal equivilant of jaywalking. Believe it or not, there are illegal immigrants who are NOT drug runners OR human smugglers OR criminals in any other sense than their immigration status. Yet we feel the need to outlaw their presence here and punish them harshly. "

    To Framer wrote on Mar 11, 2008 9:03 AM:

    " When do you frame? Your on here all day writing comments. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:31 AM:

    " To Styx:
    Just because someone is hard working & skilled doesn't mean they can break the chains of oppression placed on their wrists by the Socialist government that controls their lives.
    Don't take advantage of the freedoms you have here in America. The Mexicans don't have a government like ours that will allow them the freedom of entrepreneurship
    "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 11, 2008 8:00 AM:

    " To Framer, no I donot sit around alld ay and defend illegals, I clean a business and at least two giant sized houses every day in addition to having an almost full time job as an employee, as to walking a 2x4 done it been there we built two houses of our own, mostly by ourselves, so I Did framing, setting tile, plumbing, electrical, foundations, drywall, setting coutnretops, finish trim, we are not all so LUCKY to only have one job! and again, yes, we are aware Legals are movng here, we are concenred about illegals. "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:54 AM:

    " Everyone ;keeps comparing a law regarding ILLEGALS with things done in other contries regarding legals, why, can not people see that there is a difference between being invited and forcing your way in? And you can bet that the immigration laws into the Brisitsh Isles are more strict that the laws of the United States. CJ, women were legals American citizens, see the difference? "

    Dear CJ, wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:20 AM:

    " There is a way to get workers here legally so they can be part of the country: socially and economically. (BTW, the USA is the most generous of all countries in their legal immigrant policies.) We don't need a bunch of desperate, undocumented people running around, feeling like second class citizens, with advocacy groups convincing them they are above the law and entitled to scam the welfare systems because they're 'owed' that. If we need to import people to work certain jobs, then get them here legally both for their protection and ours. Until then ... hasta la vista illegals. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:20 AM:

    " To Backwards Framer

    Oh & I'm still waiting for the price of that 2,000 square foot home built by that union contractor located within the borders of that union state

    Typical Socialist.
    They will tease your pallet with the sweetest sugar while never disclosing the cost to you, the consumer. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:13 AM:

    " To Backwards Framer

    I am from a union state & I use to belong to a union (Local 608 Manhattan)If I worked 6 months out of the year I was extremely lucky. Some would say I would have to be related to the Business agent to be able to work that long within a year.
    If the grass is greener on the other side then what's stopping you from entering your utopia? "

    Styx... wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:12 AM:

    " Let them move on..if they are so hard working & SKILLED, then they have the ABILITY to make thier own country GREAT...They have beautiful beaches, mountains, quaint villages with excellent craftsmen, silversmiths, bootmakers, wrought iron artists...I'm always happy to get a nice piece of HANDMADE Mexican art...They CAN make thier economy work, just by staying there & Doing what they do best! Plenty of Americans would be happy to go visit Mexican beaches, etc..we will spen our money there, if they get it together & market thier skills. They need to make thier OWN country great. Mexico is beautiful..Icanseeitfrommybackporchrightnow! "

    Framer wrote on Mar 11, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " To Robert Huffman

    We have no problem with the law but, the same government that created such a law, breaks such a law.
    Illegal immigrations is fueled by government entitlements. Deny illegals any access to our hospitals & education programs & you will see the number of illegal immigration decrease.
    Everybody on this forum is blaming businesses when in reality it is our government programs that entice them to come here & stay here illegally.
    "

    Robert Huffman wrote on Mar 11, 2008 5:29 AM:

    " To CJ. It is apparent you don't get it. this is not a draconian law. it is what needs to happen to control the ILLEGAL migration into this country. We welcome immigrants to this country. Every one of us descends from a migrant (unless you are a native american indian). The entire point of a law like this is to stop the ILLEGAL migration of persons into this country. This should be a federal law. If you are an employer and you hire someone who is not LEGALLY able to work you are wrong. "

    Sierra VIsta Resident wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:28 AM:

    " Illegals leave, job open!
    Open jobs mean fewer on unemployment!
    Getting people off the government support system is a good thing...lower taxes. "

    CJ wrote on Mar 10, 2008 10:02 PM:

    " *Sigh.* We're so scared that foreigners are going to scarf up the jobs, not leaving any for us 'Americans.' This is the same argument that was used against allowing women to enter the workforce...there wouldn't be enough jobs left for the men. Of course, that turned out not to be the case.

    Britain has opened its borders to the poor Iron Curtain countries resulting in astounding economic success. Why? Because workers don't simply supply services...they create demand in the market with their earnings, augmenting the economy. Arizona's new draconian law will hurt us more than it helps us. "

    Backwards Framers wrote on Mar 10, 2008 8:01 PM:

    " In the states that have unions and pay a decent wage, you wouldn't be walking and carrying a truss, they use forklifts. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 10, 2008 3:36 PM:

    " In reply to To Framer:

    And how much does a 2,000 square foot home cost in those union states?
    I asked this question before & all of you people are afraid to answer it.
    Why?
    C'mon now, tell me.... How much?
    "

    Framer wrote on Mar 10, 2008 3:32 PM:

    " To sierravistan
    You said all, not me. Remember, I AM WHITE!!!
    Do you do anything all day long besides being a keyboard bully distorting what everyone says in EVERY THREAD ON THESE BOARDS?
    You think cleaning is a hard job? That's too funny!!! Try walking a 2x4 plate 2 stories in the air with out a net carrying one end of a roof truss.
    And yes the article is about illegals but the article also mentions LEGAL MEXICAN CITIZENS ARE MOVING TOO!!
    Can you comprehend that? "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 10, 2008 2:27 PM:

    " Framer, pretty strong biased words about both peoples...so, ALL Mexican want to work hard, All Mexican take pride in their work, All white people (read citizens) are lazy good-for-nothings, and you think you have a tough job...try cleaning for several years and then report back! and again you keep talking about Mexicans and the article is about illegals, are you having a difficult time comprehending the difference? "

    To Framer wrote on Mar 10, 2008 9:20 AM:

    " I can tell you prices are cheaper out side of SV. You only have to go to Tucson to buy gas and groceries to find that out. Go online check out gas prices, a week ago MN was the lowest in the Nation, a state that has unions and the grocery checkout clerks make as much as you. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 10, 2008 8:15 AM:

    " People, illegal immigration isn't created by employers in search of cheaper labor.
    Illegal immigration is created by government Social programs that they can apply for.
    You all blame the employer right? Well your huge Liberal government is the biggest employer of illegal immigrants!

    Simple solution, get rid of the government programs & you will watch the decrease of illegal immigration.
    "

    Framer wrote on Mar 10, 2008 7:54 AM:

    " To Tell ya what Framer:

    You forgot, I am from N.Y.C. New York. You can't sit there behind your keyboard & tell me Gasoline, groceries, utilities, & other amenities are cheaper outside of S.V.
    That's a big pile of bunk!!!

    It's not just the weather why people relocate here..... it's also the low cost of living!!
    Which is slowly eradicating due to the increase of the Liberal population.
    "

    Framer wrote on Mar 10, 2008 7:43 AM:

    " To What's your point?
    Construction jobs here in S.V. are NOT being taken by illegal immigrants!
    These jobs are NOT low paid!
    Todays generation of white people DO NOT WANT THESE JOB!!
    Mexican people like these jobs. Mexican people don't complain about going to work. Mexican people take pride in their accomplishments.
    Remember when white people had these same work ethics?
    Now instead of sitting behind your desktops behaving like a keyboard cowboy, why don't any of you bag up & join me in the construction field. I'll bet you won't last a week. "

    Ron wrote on Mar 10, 2008 7:17 AM:

    " This shouldn't even be a question or even news. Employers trying to make a buck any way they can will hire illegals and cut costs.
    "

    OH NO! SO TERRIBLE! wrote on Mar 10, 2008 6:43 AM:

    " You mean we’re losing some of the drug dealing and violent student-criminals we’ve been reading about at Buena?!
    Schools are losing large numbers of ILLEGAL students?! Whatever-will-we-do without those extra taxes taking food away from my family because the schools have too many ILLEGAL students and not enough money?
    Caitlyn you’re right honey! The laws against drug dealing, rape and armed robbery aren’t fair either! They’re only after “themselves a better life” too!!!
    Such cold-hearted people! Resenting the freeloaders that overburden schools and medical facilities while ONLY driving up the cost of education and healthcare!!!!
    "

    nevada wrote on Mar 9, 2008 8:38 PM:

    " Hurray for Az and Ok. Third generation Nevadan, and getting over run by illegals. Think I'll move to good old Az. "

    What's your point? wrote on Mar 9, 2008 8:14 PM:

    " OK "Framer", what's your point? It's great that Mexican guest workers are filling those positions. So what? No one is chasing the Mexicans away. No laws are chasing the Mexicans away. If no illegals aliens are working those jobs then what's the fuss? I'm not quite what point you are driving at yet? "

    Tell Ya What Framer wrote on Mar 9, 2008 6:10 PM:

    " I am glad your content, heck some are content renting. The cost of building the home itself is comparable, the price of a lot or land is higher. But they have good roads, recycling, lower priced gas, groceries, and many ammenities that people that lived here have no idea about. And most people can afford a higher priced home, as they are making darn near twice of what the people in this area are making. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 9, 2008 3:26 PM:

    " To Wow Framer:

    I am very content with my life style based upon the wage I receive.
    Tell me Wow Framer, how much does a new 2000 square foot home cost in those states that pay $30.00 per hour?
    Are they cheaper in comparison to a brand new home in S.V.?
    "

    Framer wrote on Mar 9, 2008 3:23 PM:

    " To sierravistan:

    Of coarse I know the difference, why the wise A_ remark?
    My point is that this idea most jobs in the construction field are taken by illegals is bunk. Just because most of the construction personal happen to be Mexican doesn't mean their illegal aliens & the reason why you see mostly Mexicans in the construction field is because white people don't want those jobs.
    Why can't you understand that this kind of occupation doesn't appeal to todays generation & these jobs still need to be fulfilled? "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 9, 2008 7:10 AM:

    " a question for Framer...the story is about ILLEGALS and your coments were about legal Mexicans, do you not know the difference? We are NOT upset about legalls having jobs and benefits nor are they the underpaid people, it is the ILLEGALS that we complailn about and they often (more than not) are paid less and do take advantage of services they are not paying for...so if you only worked with legals, your coments really had nothing to do with the story. "

    Wow Framer wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:30 PM:

    " Fantistic wages, driven down by the illegals working here. In many states you could earn close to $30/hr. Same for electricans, plumbers, heavy equipment operators, mechanics, and many trades. I am retired, and would never have worked in this area. I am here for the cheap land, and the cheap help. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 8, 2008 7:51 PM:

    " To Huh?
    Huh, I never said they were illegal Mexicans I worked with. They were all legal citizens. I just said in my 16 years as a framer here in S.V. the great majority of LEGAL PEOPLE I have worked side by side with are Mexicans! Every time a white guy was hired on he would quit within a week sometimes two.
    Remember, I'm WHITE & I have seen this happen over a 16 year time period in this town alone!
    Anyone who choses to dis believe what I say are not in the same occupation as I . "

    Framer wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:50 AM:

    " I make $15.00 per hour "

    Huh? wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:07 AM:

    " Huh? That sounds a bit prejudice to me? That is certainly a broad racial statement Framer. I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to work those jobs, other than illegal aliens. If the company feels so strongly about Mexican labor then recruit them legally. Force them to register for green cards. Make them become legal foreign guest workers. But don't say that YWBs don't want to work. That is a racially charged statement. "

    To Framer wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:29 AM:

    " There is cheap labor and it is in AZ.
    I know what framers are paid.
    How much do you make framing? Be honest tell us. "

    Framer wrote on Mar 7, 2008 7:49 PM:

    " To Dan:

    Dan, the point I was trying to get across was there is no such thing as "Cheap labor" in the construction field as others here has stated.
    I never said that illegal immigrants are welcomed here nor are they law abiding people (arriving here illegally immediately confirms they're not) , I'm just saying that this idea that all the construction jobs here in S.V. are being given to illegal aliens over American citizens is false. Like I said, in my 16 years in S.V., the young white boys don't want to work but, the traditional Mexicans do. "

    karina wrote on Mar 7, 2008 1:58 PM:

    " I have mixed feelings. I feel bad for the illegals because they,just like eveyone are trying to makea better life, but at the same time I dont not appreciate them camping on m property and i often worry what would happen if i didnt have dogs. I also do not like having to pay higher taxes when they do not contribute even though their families are reaping the benefits. It is very frustrating and not eqal treatment at all. To me it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with equal responsibility. "

    Greg wrote on Mar 7, 2008 11:09 AM:

    " To Crystal Yazzie,

    First you need to learn how to spell and actually make complete sentences. This law is great. We are not taking jobs away from anyone. They are breaking the law and should not get the same benefits as law abiding citizens. "

    Robert Huffman wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " I am glad AZ has had the guts to step up and enforce this law. I lived in SV for many years but luckily got out before the Illegal problem got bad. I now live in Texas!! The City of Farmers Branch is the only city that will stand up for what is right, ousting the illegals from our cities. FB is now being challenged in court because they chose to make it illegal for a landlord to rent to an illegal. We instead teach them english and our citizens spanish. A crock!! "

    Dan wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:03 PM:

    " In reply to the framer,my som also works as a framer here in Boise.
    Friday a group of illegals came to the job site "looking for work". After being told they did not have any openings the illegals hung around for another fifteen minutes checking things out. Monday upon ariving at work the job shack had been broken into and $8000.00+ worth of tools stolen.
    Round them up and deport them! "

    fred wrote on Mar 6, 2008 3:51 PM:

    " Maybe people won't have spend 6 to 12 hrs in the emergency room when services are needed. Maybe the Border Patrol should have agents in all the ERs to verify citizenship and take the illegals off after treatment. Maybe our taxes will go down, since we won't be paying for services for Illegals, though the greed of elected officials for our money won't go away. Maybe if a sweep of our schools would reduce class sizes. Illegal go home! "

    bev wrote on Mar 6, 2008 1:41 PM:

    " i couldn't be happier that this law is having an affect on the ILLEGAL ALIENS. they do NOT belong here stealing the benefits of our citizens. these ILLEGAL ALIENS don't need to speak english back in their home countries where they belong. if they want to be here then they can come LEGALLY! "

    LD wrote on Mar 6, 2008 11:55 AM:

    " Ms. Gaby Espinoza, do you have a clue as to who is paying for your kids "FREE" services? My God, an I.A. gets better service than I do, as a citizen. Glad to see it's working! "

    curious wrote on Mar 6, 2008 10:03 AM:

    " If there is "No Money in Mexico" then where are the people shopping in Walmart with Mexico plates getting their money? Where are the Mexicans that shell out big bucks at the casino's getting their money?????? Get Real! "

    Framer wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:17 AM:

    " I arrived here in S.V. in July 1992. I'm originally from N.Y.C. and I'm white. I have worked as a framer in this town for 16 years & I have worked mostly with Mexican co-workers. Everyone of us were paid based upon our skills not race! Some of my Mexican co-workers were paid better than me because they were better than me PERIOD!Every framing outfit I have worked for treated us fairly so enough with the cheap labor argument because it's not true. From what I've seen in my 16 years is white kids don't want to work. "

    CGS wrote on Mar 5, 2008 4:15 PM:

    " I remember when I was in high school and had friends whose fathers worked construction. And now business owners are telling us only Illegals do construction work? I find that hard to believe. I'm sure there are plenty of college kids who are willing to work construction in the summers... "

    sierravistan wrote on Mar 5, 2008 1:20 PM:

    " I agree with you Mary and also the fact that she was here for 13yrs, and just what stopped her from taking advantage of the most liberal immigration/naturalization process on the planet, perhaps she was afraid that if she became legal, she couldn't get that tax-payer paid benefits, well, now she has lost it permanently and cries, boo hoo boo hoo. too bad, you had 13 years, and you made that decision and your children will now suffer, again your fault!!!! "

    Dan wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:42 AM:

    " Sure wish you all could get the illegals to head south as they scurry away from Arizona like a bunch of cockroaches. Many have headed North bring crime with them in the form of drug dealing,gangs,drivebys etc.Sure hope the GOP are happy with the cheap labor they got all in the name of "they are only doing work Americans won't do".I remember as a kid how a man working pumping gas could buy a house and support a family. We are well on the way to becoming a 3rd world nation. "

    To Murphy wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:57 PM:

    " That is the purpose of the law that is resulting in flight out of AZ. The people of this state finally said enough to looking the other way when illegals are hired by companies. The law targets emmloyers that have gotten away with this for too long. Therefore your suggestion to go after the employers and dry up the jobs is exactly what is being done. Jobs aren't there any more and the illegals are leaving. A good thing as my tax dollars can now be spent on services for legal residents. "

    Sherrie wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:20 PM:

    " I am sorry that the children in the story will have to move, but the mother's statements show exactly why we need this law. She states that the children have health insurance, medicare, education services, and special education services for her special needs child. All of these are benefits paid for by taxpayers while she is here illegally and thus pays no taxes into the very systems she is using. Taxpayer services should be reserved for taxpayers - either there should be a way for them to pay or they should not get services. "

    mary wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:50 PM:

    " ok, if Veronica Avalos has been here illeagly for 13 years and has an 11 year old son, I am just wondering who paid for the birth of that child and his services? I am glad the law is doing what it was designed to do. She broke the law.Same goes for Gaby Espinoza. I have no sympathy for you. You did it to yourself. How selfish you people were to bring children into the mess you made of your life! Thank-you Texas - you can have them and provide their "services". "

    Not surprising wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:07 PM:

    " So, Murphy, you don't see any problem with employers exploiting hard-working, desperate people? Hmmm. Goes to show how evil and ego-centric you really are. I suppose as long as you have all the comforts you want, you don't care how others are treated. Sweet. "

    Murphy wrote on Mar 4, 2008 11:25 AM:

    " The majority of you are intolerant racists. You should direct your wrath toward those that hire these hard working people. If there were no demand, they would not be here. How hard is it for an employer to determine whether one is legal or not? Goes to show how really ignorant most of you are of what is really going on. Truly pathetic. "

    Joe in New Mexico wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:15 AM:

    " I have empathy for her plight. However, she is here illegally. She is elegible to apply for legal citizenship why not start the paperwork now. The US has to do something about illegal immigrants. Kudos to Arizona for taking a stand. I wish Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and California would do the same. "

    Ray Stanley wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:15 AM:

    " I wish Texas would adopt the same law passed by those in Arizona. Why are these elected officials afraid to do what's right and lawful? Why are they NOT listening to the people that elected them?
    Illegal means illegal!! What part of illegal do these people not understand! "

    Pauly wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:46 AM:

    " I have the Border Patrols' number on my speed dial list and use it often. FYI: 1-877-872-7435. Lets keep it up and make S.Arizona an illegal free zone. "

    Stop the Insanity! wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:29 AM:

    " To "Think About it": Thank you for following the law! I would gladly pay more for work done by legal citizens. It is only when we take back our country and pay legal citizens a fair wage that America will become strong again. To the Illegals: Go away! You have NO right to be here! We don't want you! Our country can save a lot of money by not having to teach your kids English, pay for your medical care, or subsidize you in any way. "

    Sierra Vista Resident wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:50 AM:

    " To Can't Fix Mexico: The REMISA sent back to Mexico by, largely, illegal aliens in the US was 27 BILLION dollars in 2004. Second largest portion of Mexico's GNP (30%)was income either directly or indirectly for illegal drugs (50%).
    Also, REMISA is generally not taxed, but paid under the table...
    Taxes on the REMISA would pay for a good wall & fence in one year! "

    Anna Hayden wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:47 AM:

    " I support this law. It is illegal and you do not allow the laws to be broken.If this is ok for hispanics, then why not let others from EASTERN EUROPE AND INDIA COME IN. They also live in conditions that are very hard and they would love to come to this country where they can work and make a new life for themselves, but they are denied visa's because we are already overrun with illegals from Mexico and South America. I am sorry it is so hard in their countries, but our system cannot support them. Inforce the Law. "

    illegal is illegal wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:45 PM:

    " No word from George W. Bush yet telling Illagal Aliens to get out and stay out.

    Note, it has always been illegal to hire illegal aliens in every state U.S.A. Also note that the illegal aliens are still sneaking in through our rural Az desert. I wonder what state they are being smuggled to- to work illegally.

    Still the border is NOT secure! "

    Right on! wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:12 PM:

    " Sympathy is nice, but we must do what is FAIR first for Americans who pay taxes, or even those who don't due to need. Plenty of U.S. citizens pay taxes here in the U.S. but don't get free or subsidized health care.

    Then what about the property taxes we are paying to educate them? That's food off my table or some other sacrifice I must take out of my budget due to higher taxes. If only Congress would be honest and do what is right as well. "

    Citizen wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:08 PM:

    " "anon" brings up a good question. I agree that now that our laws may actually work to regulate illegal aliens working in this state then we can now regulate the number of legal foreign work permits in certain industries to meet the job demands. DEH should have no problems filling postitions and our unemployment rates should be zero. If someone is out of work their should be plenty of vacancies for them to fill. If they don't take available positions they don't get unemployment, welfare...etc. "

    emily wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:20 PM:

    " Health insurance from an employer or from the State? When I was putting myself through college, the State denied me benefits because I was making too "much"... This woman is not even here legal and she has the nerve to come out and say how good she has it here... While I was going to college and working two jobs it was to support people like her because my daugher is as much a US Citizen as hers are and even more because I am also a US Citizen... "

    Can't Fix Mexico wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:53 PM:

    " Three revolutions and numerous insurrection over the history of Mexico have failed to change anything. Just swapped one corrupt bunch for another. Vast natural resorces, abundant labor force, foreign aide, etc and they still can't take care of thier own people. The Mexican government doesn't like the US getting tough on illegal immigration, the money they send back is a big resource. Its free money for them. They might go under without it. I support legal immigration, legal immigrants can send back whatever they want after they pay for what they get here in the form of taxes. "

    Jose from Texas wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:39 PM:

    " Texas is considered a "sanctuary state" by illegals looking for a free-ride. The current influx of illegals fleeing Arizona/Oklahoma only adds to the burden. Illegals are raping our economy by taking over jobs and businesses, flooding schools, and crowding emergency rooms, all at the taxpayers expense. There needs to be a way for noncitizens to work in the US legally, but the refusal of the Federal Government to enforce immigration laws, and inaction by the State of Texas, has encouraged this invasion. All states need to follow the bold lead of the people of Arizona and Oklahoma. "

    john wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:18 PM:

    " Thank goodness the LAW is working, We the people are tired of funding the illegal people. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you "

    Think about it ! wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:36 PM:

    " Believe it or not, this law is going to be beneficial to all. I am a local contracter and have never hired an illegal. It has been hard to compete at times, and impossible to pay my men the wages I think they deserve because of this problem. Now that the playing field is being leveled it will allow me to increase the wages for american citizens without going out of bussiness.I for one think this is a very possitive step in the right direction. It might cost the public a little more, but will help everyone overall. "

    Purple Mountains... wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:42 PM:

    " To all who disagree with the new imigration policy... I feel I speak for all US citizens... "Pack Sand by way of Mexico!" If you need help, I have a shovel and a map for you! You WONT BE MISSED so no need for post cards nobody can understand because from this point on, english only!
    Oh yeah, Hey Mike! "

    Byron L. Anderson wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:23 PM:

    " I say it is about time. If they want all the benfits, that all mericans get, let them come into this country legally "

    Hasta la vista! wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:16 PM:

    " Caitlyn...the only people responsible for kids being pulled from schools and people losing their jobs is the people who put themselves into that position to begin with. We have a legal immigration process which any one may avail themselves of. I have no sympathy for them. Good riddance to bad rubbish. (BTW, I want a better life, too, but I don't get to just to take it by any means possible. I have to struggle for it within the limits of the law. That's a good thing, otherwise people would just take what they want when they want.)
    "

    diana wrote on Mar 3, 2008 4:52 PM:

    " I am 62 years old and have watched this invasion for over 45 years. Thank God, someone has finally done the right thing. I believe our health insurance will start to be lower. Our children can get a better education without overcrowed schools. Our taxes should start to be lower, since we are not taking care of so so many illegal people. Some people really do know how to use the system. Let your voice be heard. Keep up the pressure and get your elected officials to do the right thing in all states. "

    Finally wrote on Mar 3, 2008 3:53 PM:

    " GOOD RIDDANCE!! "

    Can't wait! wrote on Mar 3, 2008 3:28 PM:

    " Hip, hip...hooray!!! Such a shame though, that mexico still can't even ATTEMPT to fix their country. Regardless, this is awesome, exactly what I've been wanting to hear! Thank God I wuz born in the U.S.A. "

    Mother wrote on Mar 3, 2008 3:20 PM:

    " Our teachers and our schools are burdened by those that don't speak English but are still required to pass the AIMS. There's no money for services for Gifted students or for many extra programs because so many resources are funneled into kids whose parents don't pay the taxes that support the system. And then there are the "Special Needs" kids like Ms. Alveros' son who REALLY straing the resources of the system! As a mother of a gifted child who has to pay outside places to stimulate his learning because the schools can't - Good Riddence! Get legal or out! "

    Mike wrote on Mar 3, 2008 2:51 PM:

    " CAITLYN, get real, here to make a better life? At our expense, paying no taxes, sponging off the medical system. As far as money, most of it goes back to Mexico, how does that benfit the US?

    Awhile back we didnt like the way our country was either, so we had a little thing called a civil war,Mexico needs to fix itself, of course that would take some ambition. "

    Lori wrote on Mar 3, 2008 2:30 PM:

    " I agree wholehartedly with this law. When my son was in college but was too old to be on our health insurance policy we had to purchase an individual policy for him. Why? Because we are Americans and don't qualify for Medicare because we work. "

    joe r wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:15 PM:

    " These folks are here illegally!
    Why do we care that the law is hurting them. Send them back to their country. If they were here legally, then I have no problems.
    My wife is an immigrant and came here legally and has here green card and working on her citizenship. I support immigrants that come legally. I think we should kick out the illegals though.
    JOE "

    FAYE wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:13 PM:

    " If this woman is an illegal why didn't this reporter get in touch with BORDER PATROL? I do when I see illegal aliens, no not undocumented aliens, illegal aliens!!! "

    Marc wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:30 PM:

    " America is one of the most welcoming countries in the world and we don't mind if hard workers come in and get a piece of the pie, but we insist on you doing it legally.
    We're completely fed up with giving a free ticket (health care, schooling, etc..) to those who don't follow the rules.
    And when you complain about how unfair it is that you aren't getting away with it, it's adding insult to injury.
    Stand in line, be counted, and wait your turn or quit complaining. "

    don't make me laugh wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:17 PM:

    " Puleeze! medicaid, better lives...why are hispanaliens entitled to what regular old american's can't have?

    There is no money for services for our most vulnerable citizen because we are spending too much to educate and care for the anchor babies of illegals.
    I say, get a move on. And I'm a bleeding heart liberal but I bleed for americans first. "

    Julie Jessee wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:21 AM:

    " Are we supposed to be upset by this article??? I really fail to see the purpose of writing it. Who cares that the ILLEGAL immigrants have to leave the state becasue they can't find work?? They have no right to work here to begin with!! I am so sick of everyone being so concerned about the stupid illegals and forgetting what is really important -- our rights as American citizens. "

    IT'S ABOUT TIME wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:14 AM:

    " Those of us who are citizens of the UNITED STATES should NOT have had to support illegals as long as we have. Those businesses that have supported the illegals all along deserve to be shut down or have to close their doors because they choice cheap labor, rather then paying a decent wage for United State citizens.
    There are lots of illegals here that are able to get insurance, but lots more of legal citizens that do not have insurance and/or do not quailfy for state assistance. Wish I could get someone to pay my way as they have. "

    don smith wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:49 AM:

    " Isn't that just to bad. I especially take offense to Mr Espinoza's commens that his three children have health insurance and medicare. My government is cutting my medicare that I have contributed to for years.

    I suspect that the community picks up the tab. The rest of the article is filled with similar situations.I approve of legal immigration. I dispise what is happening to our country with illegal immigration. "

    AQ wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:44 AM:

    " Must you all be so freakin nasty about everything that has to do with immigration? OMG!!! Damned if you do and damned if you don't. "

    Joanne Daley wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:35 AM:

    " This is great news!! The sactions law is fulfilling its purpose. Sorry Gaby but you've taken advantage of AZ taxpayers long enough--you couldn't work for 50 years and payback what you've cost us. "

    Walt wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:46 AM:

    " I am glad we are finally enforcing the laws. I have no pity for those who parasitically live off the illegals to improve their bottom line. Shut down those who ignore the law because of their greed and run off those who illegally accommodate them. If things are that bad in Mexico (which they always have been) then the people there need to finally change that through a revolution that will oust the corrupt. Have a "Boston tea party" if necessary! "

    Billy Hill wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:46 AM:

    " What a shame, the slumlords who rent substandard housing to illegals who can't complain and the employers who pay substandard wages are being impacted. Too Bad. "

    Pauly wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:21 AM:

    " Gaby you are a criminal here in this country. You broke our laws. Adios! "

    J.G. wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:08 AM:

    " I'm glad to see something working finally. As for the kids being pulled out of school, that was another of the goals. To stop wasting our tax money on medical and schooling for illegal aliens (or immigrants as the pc police so softly put it.) It's about time "

    jack wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:50 AM:

    " At last, something positive from our elected officials! Three cheers for Arizona! "

    Life Long SV Resident wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:48 AM:

    " This means more money for United Staes citizens and legal immigrants in Arizona. Illegal aliens do not deserve anything except what is happening now. "

    azsteve1s wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:46 AM:

    " We should be celebrating the positive effects of the implementation of this legislation and we should be congratulating those legislators and the governor for having the stones to not only propose such action, but to actually pass it, sign it, and finally put it into effect.
    I would like to think that this Arizona action will be duplicated in all of the other 49 states. "

    RJ wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:39 AM:

    " Key words "Here, my kids have health insurance and Medicare." When more and more Americans can't afford health insurance and with Medicare helping bankrupt our country, I cheer every time I see a story like this. Get legal and stop sapping our country of funds. "

    Crystal Yazzie wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:22 AM:

    " I think this is a dum law. They are stoping people from makeing money. How would you like it if some one stop you . They are all the same just like us. It is hard to start all over move some where new just because some one take from you. So what they are not U.S people they have family that they have to help. But this law takes so many things away! We would try and do the same thing. If we are in there shoes we do the same thing. "

    John LaValley wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:21 AM:

    " I think that this is a good law and that it will help alot by getting illegal immagrants out of Arizona and out of America. I feel bad though for thoose who have to be deported.because they have to go back to mexico where there is no work and how are they going to get money to raise their families. they said that mexico has no jobs and that people there live so poorly and that america is better for them becuase they can live without being poor and support their families. This law is good though and will help. "

    anon wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:21 AM:

    " Ok, now that you businesses are no longer getting a free ride with slave labor, can we talk about relaxing the immigration laws so they can come legally? You may not get it as good as you were getting, but it still may be worthwhile. "

    Caitlyn wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " i dont see how people can sit hear and say some of the things they are saying about this. it is extreamly unfortunant about the kids being taken out of school, but what makes it even worse is you guys are getting angry because they are here makeing themselves a better life, and they are willing to do the labor that we are not for less pay. sure they are here illegally, but if you lived in poverty and fear, dont act like you wouldnt flea to another country, even if it was illegal. it takes some people more time. "

    Icediver wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " It's a shame that "illegals" must now seek a new home to sponge off the government from! I have no sympathy for those that enter my country illegally and then demand they be treated better than those that have come to America legally.

    If they do not like the system in place in Arizona or Oklahoma then move back from where they came from. Or better still, move to California... they will accept anyone and pay them to stay there. "

    Mike wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:46 AM:

    " GOOD! Finally something works! So sad the schools are losing kids, last I heard, schools were overloaded anyway.I feel so bad that I dont get to pay for "Gaby's" 3 children anymore.

    Move on, your not welcome here! "

    G'bye! wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:14 AM:

    " It's impossible for me to feel sorry for people who come here illegally then have kids, knowing at any time they could be deported. How selfish is that? It's bad enough to come here illegally, but then to have a bunch of kids you know there's a very good chance you'll have to abandon?! And these people think *we're* selfish? They come here so they can take advantage of our generosity, and rather than appreciating it, they do all they can to take more from the system than it can handle. These people are disgraceful. "

    Donzo wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:08 AM:

    " thats Arizona now, land of the hard-aces. the west has been an open deal for centuries, and its over now for AZ though. we lose very devout and good hard workers and business.

    may love find us daily. "

    Well, Espinoza.. wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:05 AM:

    " is lazy. Her husband is here legally and her three children were born here, she can legally apply, she isn't doing the paperwork because??????
    As far as Avalos being disappointed her son is losing services, is he entitled to them> "

    Typical Illegal wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:04 AM:

    " Espinoza, who has three U.S.-born children. “People there live so poorly. Here, my kids have health insurance and Medicare. Her kids have Medicare, mine don't! "

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