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Judge’s findings could show sanctions law invalid

By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Published/Last Modified on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2008 - 06:20:52 am MST

PHOENIX — A federal judge is raising some last minute questions about Arizona’s new employer sanctions law that could provide the grounds for him to declare it unconstitutional.

Judge Neil Wake on Tuesday told attorneys to explain to him at today’s hearing what appeal rights if any companies have to contest a report from a federal government database that a worker is not in the country legally.

The question is crucial to the future of the state statute. That’s because the U.S. Constitution requires all laws to protect the “due process” rights of those accused of breaking them to prove they are innocent.

Even if Wake upholds the validity of the law, he might limit its scope. He also is asking the lawyers for both sides of the argument whether a company can be penalized for having an undocumented worker already on its payroll before the state statute took effect Jan. 1.



Lou Moffa Jr., one of the lead attorneys for businesses challenging the statute, said Wake’s questions suggest the judge now realizes there are flaws in the law.

That statute permits a state judge to suspend or revoke all licenses of any firm found guilty of knowingly or intentionally hiring those not authorized to work in this country.

Another provision requires companies to verify a new worker’s legal status through the federal government’s E-Verify program. And it stipulates that any firm which uses that program has a “rebuttable presumption” it did not break the law.

Moffa said one problem is that state judges, reviewing complaints against employers, cannot legally determine themselves if a worker is in this country legally.

Instead, judges can rely only on information from a separate federal database of authorized workers. If that database says the worker is not legal, a judge has no choice but to find the company guilty.

Moffa said Wake’s question goes directly to the contention of employers that there is no way for a company to appeal the findings of either database, even if they have actual evidence the worker is, in fact, a U.S. citizen.

He said that means a firm has no choice but to dismiss a new employee if the EVerify report says the worker is not legal or face suspension or loss of state license. And Moffa said it also means employers who are accused with hiring undocumented workers have no way to dispute the charges because they cannot challenge the sole piece of evidence the federal database that judges are permitted to consider.

Business groups and others contend the statute is unconstitutional because only the federal government is permitted to penalize firms for hiring undocumented workers. But Wake, at earlier court hearings, has sided with attorneys for the state who point out that federal law does have an exception permitting states to rescind the licenses of companies who break the law.



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    sierravistan wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:02 PM:

    " Borderwoman, acutally we have judges to uphold laws, we have lawyers to protect from bad laws, and that in due course would happen...ask yourself this, just how does one find their name on the list slated not to be allowed to be employed? could it be that they are undocumented (ie illegal, ie criminal)? A citizen should have proof of that citizenship and an documented worker should have proof of that, so where is the problem? "

    Borderwoman wrote on Jan 17, 2008 6:12 AM:

    " Read the article. It talks about employers having no recourse. Individuals may, but how long might that take? How long can you afford to be unemployed?
    We have judges to protect us from laws and parts of laws that may damage us. I don't want to see any citizen or legal worker damaged by this law. That why laws should be carefully crafted in the first place, and it seems this one may not have been. "

    Mae wrote on Jan 17, 2008 5:06 AM:

    " why can't Americans be smart enough to see the problems with the economy is because they have went around being to busy with their little life to demand these judges and legislators stop defending illegals that are taking Americans so unemployment is higher, jobs are paying less, standard of living is going down and Americans can thank themselves for being to lazy to protest these judges like this one for making it so difficult to send illegals back where they belong. they do not belong here. criminals have no rights remember "

    Not a liberal wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:11 PM:

    " This article is sure writen by a liberal reporter. His words could, might. "

    Cheyenne wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:09 PM:

    " We the People? Voted this into law and now we have a single individual that may cancel out our vote. Yep, democracy in action? We the People have spoken. "

    TheBisbeeKid wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:44 PM:

    " To Chris S. - Once illegal immigrants are paid for their work, it is their money, not our's and they can do what they want with it. Why is it yours? "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:29 PM:

    " First, a State Judge, who understands the law will determine this...second, have ANY of you ever heard of appeals? MY godess, what next, if you are on the unapproved list, there most likely is a reason, and if not, in this country (unlike Meico) you DO have recourse.!!! We want these scum out of our country, you businesses that continues to fight this andhire them will NEVER get my business again!!!!!!!!! "

    anon wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:57 PM:

    " I dont understand the contention that they are not able to challenge the evidence from the database. What exactly prevents them from offering the judge countering evidence? I mean, thats what we pay judges for - to look at *all* the evidence, right? "

    Borderwoman wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:00 PM:

    " The problem, according to the article, doesn't seem to be fining employers who hire undocumented workers. The problem is that some people who ARE citizens could somehow end up NOT on the approved list, and they won't be able to get jobs. What if you go to work and find out you're not on the approved list? You're fired! And with no recourse. The problem is being fair to LEGAL workers. "

    Chris S. wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:10 AM:

    " Why are businesses fighting the statute? You got away with cheap labor long enough, morons! You pay the illegals and our money just get's sent back to Mexico and helps that country's garbage economy. I think the businesses SHOULD be penalized even if the illegal was hired before the statute..They still broke the law by keeping them on payroll. "

    Buckwheat wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:05 AM:

    " This judge must be from California. The judges here very frequently rule against the taxpayers and law abiding citizens when their desire to uphold our laws aren't touch feely enough to them. Good luck Arizona, you've taken a bold step in the right direction to keep these illegal invaders out of our country. "

    JB wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:41 AM:

    " Here we go again....any bets on the outcome. The employers "rights" are more important than the security of our country and the protection of jobs for Americns? Well, probably!! "

    Ugh... wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:15 AM:

    " I sure hope this doesn't fly. We need this law! "

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