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Family says they were abused by Border Patrol agents

By Jonathon Shacat
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Friday, Jan 11, 2008 - 06:22:32 am MST

DOUGLAS — Members of a family allege U.S. Border Patrol agents were too aggressive when they responded to a house outside Douglas late last month.

A Border Patrol spokeswoman said the incident is under investigation.

At about 9:30 p.m. on Dec. 23, a Border Patrol agent stopped at the house, which is located along East Dahlia Street. Maria Dora Montano was outside talking with her son, Arnoldo, 18.

Montano, 41, said the agent confronted her son. Arnoldo flipped his middle finger at the agent. They disputed and then Arnoldo threw a shovel that struck the Border Patrol vehicle. Arnoldo ran away.


Castulo Macario shows where Border Patrol agents entered a house on East Dahlia Street in Douglas during an incident on Dec. 23. (onathon Shacat-Herald/Review)


At that point, the agent called for backup. Additional agents arrived, and Montano claims they hit her a couple times.

Ramon Hernandez, 40, the owner of the house, and his nephew, Servando Macario, 24, went to the gate to see what was happening. They claim agents beat them.

“They kept hitting us with sticks and punching us,” Macario said.

Castulo Macario, 28, said he went outside and saw the agents beating his relatives. He went inside the house to tell someone to call 911. He said agents pushed open the door and sprayed tear gas inside. He said he was beaten repeatedly.

A total of about 12 adults, in addition to five children, were at the residence at the time of the incident.

Family members said the Border Patrol went overboard in response to the incident. An estimated 15 to 20 agents were there, according to the family.

The four who were beaten were taken to the Border Patrol station and questioned for several hours, according to family members.

They were eventually released. Charges were not filed against them.

The family said that on Dec. 24 another Border Patrol agent went to the house and apologized for the incident. The family was given a claim form to fill out to cover the cost of any damages and injuries.

Dove Haber, a public information officer for Border Patrol, said cases of misconduct are always investigated by outside agencies so they remain unbiased. She said the Border Patrol is not provided with briefings or updates on investigations.

“If indeed the situation actually occurred, then the Office of the Inspector General and the FBI will deal with the investigation accordingly,” she said.

“There are very strict protocols for all interactions that end in the use of force,” she added. “And we, as an agency, take this allegation seriously.”

During the incident, Valerie Hernandez, 15, called 911. Family members said officials from the Douglas Police Department and Cochise County Sheriff’s Office responded. They said the officials did not ask them any questions.

Marcus Gonzalez, a public information officer for the Douglas Police Department, said the location of the incident is not in the jurisdiction of the Douglas Police Department. Rather, it is in the jurisdiction of the Cochise County Sheriff’s Office.

Cochise County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Carol Capas confirmed that 911 was called.

“In this particular situation, we did get the call and we did respond because it was a call for a disturbance and someone trying to break into a home,” she said. “We arrived on scene and Border Patrol had several units there already.”

Capas said a report was filed. Border Patrol officials indicated that someone from the residence threw a shovel through the window of one of their vehicles, she said.

Family members have contacted officials at the Mexican Consulate and the Border Action Network.

Raul Saavedra Cinta, deputy consul at the Mexican Consulate in Douglas, said officials are taking this case “very seriously.”

“We are getting all the evidence from the case to see what happened. We are going to get a legal opinion on it,” he said.

“If it turns out that there was some abuse committed in this case, we would provide all the assistance we can to the family.”

He said the consulate has been in contact with Border Patrol in reference to this case. He added officials have a “very good relationship” with the agency.

Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network, said the organization is bringing the incident to the attention of the Border Patrol Tucson Sector chief. It is also requesting a meeting with the agent in charge in Douglas to discuss the incident and an investigation into the conduct of the agents.

Allen said she thinks the first agent could have “completely avoided” the escalation of the incident.

“It is a difficult environment for them to operate in, which is all the more reason that agents should employ some really high degree of standards and have good training. They need to be able to deal effectively in these tense situations,” she said.

Herald/Review Reporter Jonathon Shacat can be reached at 515-4693 or by e-mail at jonathon.shacat@bisbeereview.net.



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    armchair qb wrote on Jan 25, 2008 11:21 PM:

    " There are many people here making this into a race issue. My experience has been that no matter what color it is, a piece of crap is just that. There is no way that anyone can read this article and pass judgement on the actions of any Law Enforcement Officer on the scene. How an article with so little research could be published in any newspaper is beyond my comprehension. If this family's rights were so violated, why was it more than two weeks before it became a story? Where is their lawyer? "

    Cheyenne wrote on Jan 25, 2008 7:11 PM:

    " When you work/live around the border you have to have a no nonsense standards. One mistake, one overlook, you can be dead. The actions of people on/around the border determine how you will be treated. Be civil,give dignity and respect, it will be reciprocated. Be abusive ect.., what kind of reaction do you expect. Now lets remember who throw stones, shoot firearms ect at the Border Patrol/USA citizens, "illegal alien drug running law breaking give me my rights mexicans and their supporters". "

    To Tania: wrote on Jan 25, 2008 7:20 AM:

    " I am so sick of that mantra. I guess the kid who stabbed at Buena, the guy in Douglas who just drove off with a BP agent stuck on his door, the guy who ran over the agent in Yuma, were all nice folks here to work--LIES. This is just ONE WEEK--all happened in ONE WEEK. If you mean that is it ok for these people to be assaulted and killed all so people who are not here legally can work here, YOU ARE WRONG. "

    Sierra VIsta Resident... wrote on Jan 25, 2008 5:50 AM:

    " To Tania: Shear propaganda. If I could take the last 2,000 cases, remove illegal Mexicans, I'd loose 70% of my criminal cases. If I took out all illegas, then another 20%.
    If legal immigrants are so worried, the they should assist with the policing of their new country...not throwing shovels!!! "

    don y wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:31 PM:

    " the gustapo is the gustapo "

    Lucky family wrote on Jan 24, 2008 10:16 PM:

    " They are lucky they aren't living in my area, or they would be having a lot of bad luck. "

    army mom wrote on Jan 24, 2008 9:36 PM:

    " I went to war at the age of 19 and was paid 600 dollars a month. Don't preach what you don't understand. I am thankful for my ancestors. The are German "

    sick and tired wrote on Jan 24, 2008 5:09 PM:

    " I'm so tired of hearing about the plight of illegals. I know of so many family members who knowingly "beat the system" by getting a mail box or apt in a border community and then live in Mexico, thus reaping all the benefits without the responsibility. Free insurance, free dental, free.... it is a disgrace and so unfair for those of us who work hard to care for our families and pay outrageously for dental and health insurance and then on top of that pay large deductibles and co-pays. Come on... "

    SV Patriot wrote on Jan 24, 2008 1:20 PM:

    " I encourage any reader to go to www.crimetime.com, to the AZ Public Criminal Records link and look at the fine young citizen this Macario Hernandez is...
    Threatening/Intimidating with personal Injury; 2 counts Reckless Endangerment/Felony Flight from Law Enforcement; Marijuana Possession; Shoplifting. "

    Tania wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:59 AM:

    " I feel pity for everyone who can't seem to understand who these people are. They are just here to work and provide for their families just like everyone else... I dare everyone who insults them to do the kind of work they do and get paid the wage they are getting paid and trust me you will not be complaining. Ignorant people seem to not understand that this is "The Land of Opportunity" and if you forgot where your ancestors came from then shame on you! "

    On side wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:37 AM:

    " This is a one sided story again by Shacat. One of them went in the house, after the agents were there. Of course the agents had to immediately get in that house, the family member could have been going to get a gun. "

    SG777 wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:00 AM:

    " ...WHY IS THE MEXICAN CONSULATE TRYING TO DEAL WITH AN ISSUE ON AMERICAN SOIL? THE KID COULD HAVE AVOIDED THE INCIDENT BY NOT THROWING THE SHOVEL AND RUNNING FROM THE SCENE AFTER THE INCIDENT. WHO IS GONNA PAY FOR THE BP TRUCK? THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT? OR US THE TAX PAYERS? "

    SVRESDIDENT wrote on Jan 24, 2008 10:17 AM:

    " Hey AzMex...a federal agent has the right to stop and question anyone if he feels there is a reason to. No where does it say he stopped and "hassled them". The son is obviously an aggressive person if he has no problem throwing a shovel at a law enforcement agent. HE was the aggressor! Did it occur to you that the agent could have been killed? If the shovel was big enough and thrown hard enough to break a windshield it could do more damage to a human being. The officer could have shot him in self defense! "

    Civil War-see it coming? wrote on Jan 24, 2008 9:47 AM:

    " The other night my husband was pulled over by BP. Just traded truck and tags and reg. were still in process. By the time all was said and done there were 3 BP vehicles checking out the situation. Hubby DID NOT throw a shovel or flip them off. They were respectful and he understood they are on high alert due to the murder of the BP agent near Yuma. Oh, should mention... hubby is a caucasian. Shoots that "racial profiling" whining by the Mexicans to hell! USA is in trouble unless we unite and stand our ground..NOW!!!! "

    Dear Wondering wrote on Jan 23, 2008 10:44 PM:

    " Let's see some punk kid in your neiborhood or even your family flips off a Border Patrol Officer, tosses a shovel at a Border Patrol vehicle and runs away.

    The BP officer calls for backup, and when it arrives they burst into your home and start beating people with sticks. They beat and detain 4 adults, take them to jail then release them without charging anyone with a crime. Later a representative of the BP comes around and appologizes. I have a very hard time imagining that such a thing could happen to white middle class Americans. "

    Wondering wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:40 PM:

    " I wonder what would happen to me, and middle class white American citizen if I flipped of an officer of the law, and then thru a shovel at him? Why in the H, aren't they treating these Mexicans as they would threat me? "

    RMW wrote on Jan 23, 2008 6:29 PM:

    " Sierra Vista Resident: Sorry, no "snow bird" here--please don't assume. I'm not assuming anything about the "illegals" situation, I was just stating what I took from reading the article. My husband was hired at a job in Sierra Vista (and no, not at the base either). I'm sad to be leaving the snow and cold. That said, I'm also excited at exploring the area. Fortunately, I am also use to living in towns where people think that if you weren't born/raised there, you're from the "outside" and should "go back from where you came from." "

    Sierra VIsta Resident... wrote on Jan 23, 2008 5:06 AM:

    " TO RMW: Just what we need another snow-bird siding with the illegals. You'll become more aware of the problems we have with illegals (and the do-gooders trying to protect them) once you get here. "

    rmw wrote on Jan 22, 2008 12:57 PM:

    " I just read the story and I only read about 20 of the latest comments. Another disclaimer: I'm not from the area, but we are moving there in two weeks. Okay, as I read it from the article, the person that aggravated the incident was the son that threw the shovel and ran. Now WHY didn't the Border Patrol spend its time and resource (and any anger) pursuing him?? They could have left a couple people at the residence to interview the rest. That seems much more sane then attacking possibly innocent people and forcing entry. "

    Hey Arnoldo wrote on Jan 21, 2008 8:49 PM:

    " Go to your home country, flip off the policia and see what happens. "

    What can we do wrote on Jan 21, 2008 7:46 PM:

    " We as Americans need to get these rights activist sent to mexico. See how Mexico treats them. Plus we need not to vote for the same judges that put our BP away to jail. I think theses judges are being paid off. When a mexican can get away with breaking the law. And If white folks did the same thing we would be in jail. "

    Outsider wrote on Jan 21, 2008 1:02 PM:

    " And the verdict is the assulter gets nothing not even a slap on the hand while the agent loses his job, family and a swift kick on the butt into the hammer. What a shame! What does it say about our justice system?! What gets me is that the mom admitted to her son flipping the agent then throwing the shovel but he'll get away with it. "

    To Bethany wrote on Jan 20, 2008 9:02 PM:

    " Apparently you haven't been a regular reader, or you would know that Shacat's articles always lean towards the Hispanics, or the organizations that support the border jumpers. "

    Bethany wrote on Jan 20, 2008 4:44 PM:

    " How exactly was the agent supposed to avoid having a shovel thrown at his vehicle? If we want a safer environment, we need to allow law enforcement to do their jobs, and support them when people attack them in the press. I think that it was completely irresponsible for the newspaper to print this completely one-sided story. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:34 PM:

    " to "AZMEX" yes, perhaps they were just outside having a conversation, and aLAW ENFORCMENT OFFICER attepted to interact with them, and was flipped off and had a shovel thrown at his vehicle, that is just the kind of people I do NOT want living in my area....no respect for the law, no respect for the person wearing the badge, perhaps, just perhaps the BP was in the wrong, then why the flip off and shovel, tell me , is it because they are such goo law-abiding citizens? "

    Sierra VIsta resident... wrote on Jan 18, 2008 1:31 AM:

    " To Stupido Az Mex: Throw a shovel, go to jail...
    To everyone else: If you want to see the Mex agenda, go to the web site "www.lavozdeaztlan" to see what they plan on doing, or GOOGLE the "reconquista".
    If you're not screaming, there is something wrong with you as an American. "

    AzMex wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:20 PM:

    " Hey Stupidos!
    Read the article again!
    They were having a conversation outside their home minding their own business when BP stopped and hassled them!! "

    p diddy wrote on Jan 17, 2008 5:33 PM:

    " The BP should start carrying diapers for all of the babies they have to deal with. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:12 PM:

    " I agree with Rich, if you live in this country, or want to live in this country, then you need to show some respect for the law enforcement people, Amoldo brought whatever happend upon himself and his family (by running into the house he created a pursuit scenario) and his family needs to realize that the U.S. is a nation of laws, unlike Mexico which is a nation fo bribes. "

    Rich Glover wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:26 AM:

    " The situation is already at an elevated state for the Border Patrol personnel. Arnoldo Montano should show more respect for those trying to maintain peace and his parents should preach the practice. Time will tell if Dora Montano raised her son to be respectful. The people of the community will take notice in the years to come. Hopefully Arnoldo will become an asset to the community. "

    Shovel thrower wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:29 PM:

    " What would happen if we went over to this Mexicans house and started throwing shovels at it? They think it is OK. If they didn't like it they could call the Mexican Consulate. They are full of lies and other stuff, they claim the BP beat them with sticks. I didn't now that the BP agents were issued sticks. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:56 PM:

    " hey Dennis, yeah that was 20 years ago, before the anchor babies, before the exploitation of our system, you really should look at going back to San Diego, having been there r3ecently, you do need to speak spansh however, and I'll bet where you stayed in Phoenix recently you did not see ALL the illegals standing on the corner looking for work, living off the system, there is NO antipathy towards them if they are illegal ship em home, that IS the law....don't you obey the law, then why shouldn't they? "

    Speedy wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:33 PM:

    " Can I throw a shovel at the next cop who tires to give me a ticket?

    How about just flipping him off?

    I love these new rules - woo hoo - Welcome to the wild west! "

    angry wrote on Jan 16, 2008 1:05 PM:

    " Why isn't G. Giffords involved. She is Super S.E Arizona Woman "

    dennis wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:50 AM:

    " illegals need to face the facts that they are avoiding and realize that the USA runs the old Mexican republic norte.
    it will stay that way,too.
    the problem is that both groups (illegal and american) are caught in the middle between the ever-corrupt mexican "government" and greedy american business owners who like to use illegals as neo-slave labor.
    instead of fighting each other (which is what the controllers want),the two groups being exploited ought to join together and fight those who are using them.i hope my caucausoid brethren do not subscribe to some sort of new jim crow law. "

    dennis wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " Wow,I am re-thinking my plan to retire in SE Arizona or Tucson after reading these comments. I used to reside in the SouthWest (am currently in Pacific Northwest) and recently with my wife spent a wonderful week in Tucson.(lived in phoenix,el paso,san diego,vista,CA,silver city, nm) like the sun and bi-culture,but when i lived in this area (more than 20 yrs ago),there was not this degree of antipathy towards mexicans and vice-versa. it's a damn shame.
    both sides need to tone down the rhetoric and those who are illegal need to face reality. "

    Sounds like wrote on Jan 16, 2008 8:25 AM:

    " With all those people in the house it sounds like a drop house. Wonder how many are illegals. "

    To Bisbee wrote on Jan 16, 2008 7:41 AM:

    " Agree, these people may have RIGHTS. Many of us have RIGHTS; however, the BP and all federal officers also have RIGHTS. IT WAS THE KID WHO ASSAULTED THE BP FIRST. What was the officer to think, first verbal and gesture assault, then a shovel... what was next? guns, knives, rocks? At that point it was 12 adults vs one agent. Remember what comes around goes around!!! "

    Oh Geez wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:48 AM:

    " Has anybody really looked closely at the BP lately? Most of them are hispanic. It truely is funny how one sided this story is. I'm sure all of the family members were sweet as pie and just followed the agents orders........ WHATEVER. 18 people yelling at agents in Spanglish deserve a beating just for that not to mention throwing a shovel at a govt. vehicle and agent. "

    Sierra VIsta Resident wrote on Jan 16, 2008 12:09 AM:

    " To Transplant: You are correct...prosecute the lying illegals that clog up the court system and make false accusations agains law enforcement an immediate deportable offense.
    Every officer call should have an immigration check involved. Criminals and ner-do-wells belong in their home countries!!! "

    Transplant wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:42 PM:

    " If the U.S. Attorney would prosecute cases like this, we would not be having this discussion. "

    I was abused wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:46 PM:

    " Years ago I kneed a cop in the groin, they abused me on the ride to the station, kidney punches, baton to the ribs, and I am as white as can be. I learned my lesson quick. Don't mess with an officer of the law. Never had a problem since. "

    Transplant wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:40 PM:

    " It does all LEO's hearts good to see that there are sane and sensible people still present in this world. Thank you for letting your opinions be heard. In case you are guessing or wondering who this post is directed towards and which side of this debate that I am on, there is a 99.9% chance that it is NOT YOURS! "

    I Hope wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:13 PM:

    " I hope that this family can see what most of us really think of their story.
    That is if they can read these comments in English. "

    Names wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:19 PM:

    " The person posting as an X-cop sure wasn't one, if if by a slim chance they were, we are so lucky that they are not a cop now. And X-cop if your ashamed to be a citizen of the US, get the H out, we are ashamed to have people like you as citizens. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 15, 2008 12:35 PM:

    " to "Bisbee" and is there proff that ALL the people in that house are here legally? then why did the kid flip them off, throw a shovel and run? If he was here legally, he would have stood up for his rights, lilke the rest of us Americans, not like the cowering Mexican subjects. And are you telling me those people cannot "choose" to go to Mexico if they want, what are they, wanted criminals there? The BP apologized because they are civilized, I'll bet when this all comes out, none of the Mexican apologize!!!! "

    good for the BP wrote on Jan 15, 2008 12:05 PM:

    " one of the persons threw a shovel that broke a BP vehicles window. At that time the BP agent was justified in escalating the incident. What went on after the escalation is to be determined.

    You live in the states, you have to abide by our laws. Throw a shovel at me and you will be lucky to be able to walk. "

    Hereford wrote on Jan 15, 2008 9:26 AM:

    " The law is the law. If I threw a shovel at law enforcement then I would get arrested and even held down and cuffed and stuffed. The Mezicanos should not get any better treatment. You live in America you abid by the law and rules. You don't like it get out of here. Besides speak our American language. It's not right the mexicanos get better treatment then the Americans. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:48 AM:

    " Thank you WOW, being in their so-called country is like stepping back to what our forefathers created a new nation to get away from...they are backward, racist, sexist, and live by the Napoleanic code (guilty until proven innocent) in opposition to our code (innocent until proven guilty), clearly a true step backward..although I think they should have rights here, they should also be prsecuted and punished when breaking the law, ie lentering illegally.. "

    Bisbee wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:09 AM:

    " In response to the person that went to Mexico:First of all THESE people are legal here! THESE people have rights just like you have! And you are lucky you have a choice of going to Mexico or not, THESE people never have lived in Mexico. Now ask your self this question, " Why did the BP go and apologize to THESE people.?" "

    Drop House maybe? wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:28 AM:

    " After reading an article in yahoo today, it occurred to me that the BP was probably given a tip that this particular home may have been a drop house for illegal aliens. It certainly explains why BP were at a house. Seeing all of those adults in one house probably looked suspicious to neighbors in the area. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_re_us/arizona_immigration "

    Oh please.... wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:24 AM:

    " Jace, Borderwoman, Bisbee--you just go ahead and blindly believe a group with an agenda. Just because someone says something does not make it true, they have been called out before. You know for sure that the BP apologized? You know everything that happened because you were there right? (Insert a BIG roll eyes here for the people who are blind and believe anything). You totally disgust me, I know more agents than I can count on my finger and you describe none of them. You are the ones fabricating stories. "

    unbelieveable wrote on Jan 15, 2008 3:28 AM:

    " About the only concrete thing that I see in the article is that a shovel was thrown and the Border Patrol entered a house. I guess that after almost being hit by a shovel, that it wouldn't be weird for someone to run into the house and grab a gun to finish the job. I guess that the agent needs to get shot first so you people can stop armchair quarterbacking. The agent's are trained about these types of situations, most of you aren't. Think about that before second guessing someone who was there. "

    Ridiculous wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:49 AM:

    " I am amazed that people actually believe the word of these people after it even states in the article that he THREW A SHOVEL AT A FEDERAL OFFICER!!! These people can really talk about their conduct...they should have grebbed the kid and HANDED him over to the BP for the assault. But instead they got involved, and probably weren't as innocent as they are playing themsleves off to be...cause people never lie to try to make a quick buck off the government..... "

    sal paradise wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:31 PM:

    " America has failed for all of us. America is not a country or a race,its an idea,an idea,that all are free and and all who believe this,respect others who are free...
    In the past America has failed races and people,but instead of keeping ALL people in the dark,its tried to educate and englighten thru books and knowledge(and laws),and the mistakes that America has made.
    Some abuse this,some think it's their right,and others just dont care.
    I dont need a book,religion,heritage,country or a surge of family and relations to tell me what is "right or wrong"
    Whose right?,Whose wrong?Good people lose!!! "

    X-cop wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:18 PM:

    " I am a retired law enforcement officer (not hispanic) And I have seen with my own eyes border patrolmen and federal DEA agents lie in court and physically abuse people and violate peoples rights until I was ashamed to be a U S citizen. Funny thing I never saw a federal agent of Mexican decent lie in court like the gringo agents did. I have no use for the justice system in this country anymore.I have also seen federal judges do all kinds of crooked things. I agree Mexican justice isnt that great either. But ours sure isnt. "

    Jace wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:52 PM:

    " Don't be afraid to sign your name when you reply. If you base your criticism of the BP Agents actions with information obtained from a news article (I'm sure the BP fabricated the shovel incident) only then I think you may be a bit guilty yourself. Your reply sounds like you think the BP Agents tried to stop them from calling 911. Do you really think they kicked the door in and beat people to stop them from calling 911? "

    WOW wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:42 PM:

    " Why are we treating these people so nicely? Have any of you been to mexico. I went there for the first time last week and was harrassed by The Mexican Police because my hair color. My girl friend was harrassed as well, with them calling her sexist names. We have no rights in Mexico so why should they have rights here? "

    Angry wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:04 PM:

    " Mexican Consulate? Were they all from Mexico?????? "

    Borderwoman wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:43 PM:

    " Let's look at it this way. If you'd been arguing with your son and a policeman intervented, I'd certainly expect him to go after your son if the boy had tossed a shovel at him. Why I would NOT expect is for more cops to come and beat YOU, nor would I expect them to toss teargas into your home. The boy was clearly wrong, but beating on his family members is also wrong. "

    bisbee wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:41 PM:

    " I agree with the man who believes that any-one who throws a shovel to any law officer should be punished. However, in this case, there were alot more than one. And Border Patrol did apologize, that in itself says alot on who was wrong. "

    Anarchist wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:15 PM:

    " Defenders of illegal aliens are anarchist. They don't believe in the rule of the law. They would be happy if all governments were abolished. They throw up the race card to muddy the issues, so people lose site of their agenda. Reconquistas groups such as BAN would like nothing better then to do away with the boarders and do away with US law enforcement in the Southwest. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:03 AM:

    " ...continued...you were not thre, you do notknow the legal status of those mentioned in the article, yet you continualy defend them against the people who are endangering their lives everyday to do the job they have taken on, defending our borders against illegals, drug runners, criminal of all sorts, you "defenders" really need to question your own racism before calling the "pot black"!!!! You leap at any chance to defend them and put down our own law enforcement people...and just WHAT is your aganda? "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:00 AM:

    " I have noticed that "most" of the defenders of "illegals" seem to jub at ANY opportunity to find fault with a request to simply obey the law and dowha tis right, They demaen ANYONE with a different opinion as "racist", when actually they should llok in the mirror and question their motives. Ask to enfore our laws, ask to not throw rocks (shovels) at law enforcement people, ask that crimnals be pprosecuted and punished and to them, you are a racists, and just what is defending any of thses people without knowing the facts..... "

    Huh? wrote on Jan 14, 2008 10:33 AM:

    " I think the general consensus is that anyone (white, black or hispanic) who throws a shovel at a state or federal agent has committed a crime and should be punished. The fact that the crime happened in front of the home and adults entered the home from the crime scene, gives the agents probable cause to enter the home. The fact that BAN and the Mexican Consulate were called begs some explanation. It stinks of a deliberate setup by the BAN organization to instigate this entire situation. "

    Crystal Yazzie wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:41 AM:

    " I think if they are doing such to peole they sould not have that job.
    We have right as a America that not one of them. "

    Huh? Who are you talking to? wrote on Jan 14, 2008 7:50 AM:

    " I can't keep track of all these different threads. People replying to others whose comments are ... somewhere, I'm sure. Why doesn't the Herald use a thread-style comment forum? "

    The facts wrote on Jan 14, 2008 7:31 AM:

    " The basic fact in this case is that the 18yr old threw a shovel at the agent, but missed...it is no different than shooting at an agent and missing. The agent by law would have been justified in shooting the 18yr old as the shovel could have caused serious bodily harm of death, thereby using the FBI Use of Force standards, allowing the agent to use deadly force to protect himself or others. The kid should consider himself lucky to be alive. "

    Jim W. wrote on Jan 14, 2008 7:22 AM:

    " This article and many posts here seem to suspect the BP is once again guilty by trial by media. The abuse is alleged...innocent until proven guilty.
    My apologies for not individually commenting on all posts calling others idiots...name calling by anyone is not nice...stick to the issues. "

    The real fact wrote on Jan 14, 2008 6:32 AM:

    " is that this is article written by someone who interviewed the family OR the Border Action Network. You are getting ONE SIDE of this story. The BP NEVER discusses anything under investigation.

    If these people admit to throwing a shovel, it probably was a lot worse than that--that is just what they are ADMITTING to doing. Do you think you are reading the truth? NO.

    So quit saying "the fact is" because I seriously doubt half of this article is fact.
    "

    Hoping wrote on Jan 13, 2008 11:06 PM:

    " If they can't follow the law, and act with some self respect, and be honest and truthful, these people can go back to Mexico, or where-ever it is they are from! Honestly, they can't see why what happend happend? Seriously, I know I'm not that stupid. "

    A Hispanic wrote on Jan 13, 2008 9:40 PM:

    " I tell ya these people just couldn't comprehend what I was writing, I thought I was clear enough. Thanks to all that understood and set it straight. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
    "

    And to you Mexican American wrote on Jan 13, 2008 9:35 PM:

    " Speak for yourself not for an entire race. These people had every right to contact whoever they wanted, as apparently they got no justice from those here to protect them. And they can have as many people in one house as they want, thats their right, oh but because they're mexican I guess they wave that right. Huh? And for you high and mighty talking trash because of the teenagers actions, you act like all of the caucasian children are perfectly raised, but remind me what ethnicity is responsible for mass murders in this country including high school shootouts? "

    Hey Jace.... wrote on Jan 13, 2008 9:30 PM:

    " Look up probable cause in relation to entering a home, the 18-Year-Old RAN FROM THE SCENE! I could understand if the BP agents gave chase or even called the cops to file a report or have them give chase, but instead 15-20 BP agents ran INTO the house when someone went to call for help, where is you probable cause to enter the house when the assailant didnt flee into the house! Quote law when it is applicable not when you think it suits your case, they were wrong for handling it like this, thats why they apologized. "

    Claimed wrote on Jan 13, 2008 9:14 PM:

    " The mother claimed/lied that the agents hit her. Of course they had to go in the house when one ran inside, he could have been going to get a gun. Mexicans can lie is Spanish too, and Shacat will print what ever they say. "

    Mae wrote on Jan 13, 2008 8:36 PM:

    " Why are these people still in the US. If they called the Mexican consulate they are probably illegal. If they are illegal they should have been taken back to Mexico already. Let them discuss with the Mexican consulate why they do not want to live in Mexico. After the Mexican consulate provides for their own people then and only then should they suggest how other people should do things. if illegals do not like it here they are welcome to go back where they came from today and pay there own way even "

    Mexican American wrote on Jan 13, 2008 8:10 PM:

    " The Mexican Americans hate people like this family more than the whites, as they make it bad for all of us. "

    Jace Judd wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:51 PM:

    " I think it's against the law to hit a vehicle with a shovel. See ARS 13-1504. And yes, it's against the law even if you are not a United States citizen. "

    You don't know wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:49 PM:

    " You don't know enough from this article. If the 12 or so adult members were approaching the officers after they told them to stand down then they brought a beating upon themselves. I'm sure the truth will come out in a trial if there is one. I don't see where charges were brought up against the officers, so it probably isn't a case of brutality. "

    The fact still is wrote on Jan 13, 2008 3:14 PM:

    " One person commited a crime and the family was beaten for it. Most of you are ao wrapped up in your hate that you wont see any problem if the right side is the wrong color, or ethnicity. Its sad that after so many years since the civil rights momvement some still stay with that bigotry in your blood. You hate for the sake of hate, and for that I feel sorry for you; because eventually that which you hate you become. You cannot solve crime with more crime. You cannot see peace with eyes full of hate and anger. "

    Listen Carefully to What is Being Said wrote on Jan 13, 2008 1:28 PM:

    " "A Hispanic" posted "[A Hispanic to: "(re:)Here we go again" wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:52 AM:]" in response to this posting: "[re: here we go again wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:39 PM:]".
    He later explains (if you missed this)his SATIRE on his second posting:
    "[A Hispanic to: wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:54 AM:]"
    "To: (re:) here we go again: Now how does that sound? This is how you sound to the world. But now it on your side of the table: THINK WHAT YOU SAY! Idiot! "





    "

    To Jim W. wrote on Jan 13, 2008 11:56 AM:

    " You didn't raise the issue of calling people idiots and making it personal when Confused called the people in the house "drunken idiots" an earlier post below. The term goes goes without comment by anyone posting untill it is used to describe white people. I am white and didn't have a strong opinion but after reading these posts on this story it is obvious that the hispanics need my support. Law enforcement must follow the rules-period. People posting here seem happy the BP may have beaten innocent family members. When will the Klan rallies begin? "

    BK wrote on Jan 13, 2008 11:21 AM:

    " To Ricardo...keep up the good fight! It is amazing how well the US Army can integrate people within their organization, but the public...the one's our Army protects can't seem to get it right. It is one thing to be angry about an issue such as illegal aliens, but it is another when you stereo type a race of people with an issue. The same holds true when arab-americans are looked on as terrorist. Get a grip people! "

    Just Go Back! wrote on Jan 13, 2008 11:15 AM:

    " If they or anyone doesn't like here, simply go back to where you come from. Just leave, They called the Mexican Consulate, they need to go back to Mexico, as they seem not to have the common sense to leave others alone, especially any officer, to through a shovel shows to me the kid at that house doesn't have a lick of common sense and his parents failed him miserabley, and so many adults? Sounds like these people really need to be investigated for something, because it sounds like something illigal is possibly going on there. "

    BK wrote on Jan 13, 2008 11:12 AM:

    " You idiots! "Hispanic" was parrotting the exact same things that "re: here we go again" wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:39; only he/she turned the table on "re: here we go again" by inserting white for hispanic. I think it was clever and drove the point home that you don't need to be so stupid and prejudice about this issue. Hispanic is probably just as frustrated as anyone else is about the illegal alien issue, but pointing out the idiocy of making it a racial issue. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 13, 2008 9:26 AM:

    " to "Hispanic"...you take control of your people, the one's that are breaking the law coming here illegally, the whites (and many other groups) you are beginning to hate, truly hate the illegal invasion...take control or your people. "

    To Confused; wrote on Jan 13, 2008 9:05 AM:

    " What you got against FRY TOWN? I live there and I'm white. There are more of us then Hispanics. So speak what you know. You're the type that gives us a bad rep. "

    Jim W. wrote on Jan 13, 2008 8:23 AM:

    " To 'A Hispanic' - the WHITE people you mention...are you refering to unidentified posters here that may or may not be WHITE? Or are you refering to the Border Patrol? Most BP I notice look to be of Hispanic descent...and why resort to calling people idiots? To paraphrase British Prime Minister Margeret Thatcher: When your opponents resort to personal attacks they have run out of logic and reason for their arguements... "

    To A Hispanic to wrote on Jan 13, 2008 8:14 AM:

    " To the good whites, "Take control of your people." If the caucasion population is out of control, then why our prisons overflowing with hispanic and black inmates? This isn't about race, it's morals. You don't assault law enforcement, no matter who they are. I say drop the hammer, let these scumbags know who is in charge. Too bad "Our" country won't exist in 50 years, mainly due to our neighbors from the south. If you want Mexico, go to Mexico, not Kansas. "

    re: Hispanic to 'here we go...' wrote on Jan 13, 2008 6:45 AM:

    " To Hispanic: it sounds fine. If you hate whites, go to the land of browns. Like we care. Seriously, if you were in your own country and a bunch of white people came over, brought their culture that was so bad they couldn't even stand it, weren't loyal to your country, and took advantage of you at every turn and you really didn't know any whites that weren't like that, then ... heck yeah I could understand you saying that! Who wouldn't?! "

    Ricardo wrote on Jan 13, 2008 6:43 AM:

    " To sierravistan:thank you for your support. I agree with you about the announcements in the stores,you should visit a place called Calexico or El Centro,CA where pesos are accepted. And where I and my family as hispanics were looked at unfavorably by both whites and hispanics because we were not brown or white enough for ether of the groups. I'm proud of being Mexican/American I have been seving my country for 20 years. I just want a place where my kids don't have to see what I did as a kid. Thats why I serve. "

    Should have shot him wrote on Jan 12, 2008 7:54 PM:

    " Another one of Shacat's article's about the plight of the illegals, or could be legal Hispanics in the area. Always taking their word as the truth, never questioning their legality, or getting the other side of the story. If by a slim chance they are legal, they are making it worse for the law abiding Hispanic's living in AZ. "

    Confused wrote on Jan 12, 2008 5:54 PM:

    " Drunken idiots attack Federal Agents and then cry foul when they have to face the consequences. Typical. For those who don't know where this happened, it's an area called Bay Acres in Douglas. It's the equivalent of Sierra Vista's "Fry Town". Mostly inhabited by smugglers and bottom feeders living off of honest tax-payers. My question is; why is the Mexican Government getting involved? Maybe BP messed up by not identifying the illegals living in the trailer. Mexican Consul, go home and deal with your own country's corrupt officials, don't fabricate problems for us. "

    t wrote on Jan 12, 2008 4:03 PM:

    " It's true, the mother did nothing. And that is exactly why her son is a piece of work that is disrespectful to authority figures. The agent should have been above the level of the punk and ignored the "bird", but if that boy was my child he would have been punished for his actions and then made to apologize to the agent right then and there.It sounds like agents went overboard, but the family asked for it by not teaching the kid respect and the coward punk ran away leaving his family to fight his battle. "

    Can't they just all go away? wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:30 PM:

    " This is what these people are bringing into our country. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_on_re_us/smuggler_kidnappings;_ylt=AqXN8g6hB72VmzWAwuEbJDhvzwcF

    Please go away! If we wanted to live in Mexico, we'd move there. And you don't want to live there either, or you wouldn't be coming here! Hasn't it occurred to you people from Mexico that you're turning the USA into a place even you don't want to be? "

    Who are you wrote on Jan 12, 2008 11:54 AM:

    " nutters who act as if throwing a shovel at a vehicle is nothing? Can I throw a shovel at your vehicle? Should I expect a response if I do? What do you think will happen if you threw a shovel at a SVPD vehicle? The fact of the matter is, because it was BP, they are supposed to take that. The 18 year old broke the law plain and simple and anyone who involved themselves and prevented the apprehension of this kid, is breaking the law also. Wake up!! "

    To Carol and other BP bashers- wrote on Jan 12, 2008 11:13 AM:

    " We are in no way affiliated with Border Patrol. Over the years we have had numerous dealing with BP as we live in a rural area. NOT ONCE has an agent been rude, disrespectful or anthing less then helpful and professional. We have even run into agents in restaurants, stores, etc. and the same respect and courtesy was what we were met with. We feel sad that the people who are working to help protect us are being treated this way. They should be commended for their efforts. We are/have and will continue to support BP. Good Job! "

    Of Course wrote on Jan 12, 2008 10:27 AM:

    " The reason that their is only one side to this story is self explanatory, Shacat wrote it. All the illegals, illegal lovers, open border acvocates, have a direct line to him. "

    A Hispanic to: wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:54 AM:

    " To: here we go again: Now how does that sound? This is how you sound to the world. But now it on your side of the table: THINK WHAT YOU SAY! Idiot! "

    A Hispanic to: "Here we go again" wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:52 AM:

    " I'm to the point I just hate Whites. This makes me very sad, because it makes me one of those people I used to call ignorant bigots who can't think for themselves. And I *know* there must be really decent Whites out there. But I'm just so sick of it all that the very thought of them makes me angry. I don't want our country (or me) to go this way, but only the Whites can stop this growing mentality. Please, to any good Whites out there: for your own sakes take control of your people already! "

    AZnative wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:37 AM:

    " Appears we have another opportunistic family hoping to receive a monetary settlement from the BP. "

    What? wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:17 AM:

    " If a report was filed by the Sheriff's Office, what did it say? Why aren't there direct quotes from the Deputy's report verifying or contradicting the family's account of the incident? Is it because the reporter only wants to highlight the poor victims of the system? Maybe it was a slow night in Douglas and BP randomly picked this address out of the phone book. Yeah, that's probably what happened. "

    Jim W. wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:09 AM:

    " Excellent post Wendy...As to other comments - hey; flip me off, call me names, make fun of my dog, that's OK..but throw a shovel at me or my vehicle and yeah, I'm going to get in your face...of course with my CCW it could be that the thrown shovel would justify a threat on my life and copper jacketed lead could be headed in your direction...at that point go ahead and call your consulate...but I ain't BP...just a concerned LEGAL citizen. "

    Cheyenne wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:06 AM:

    " If the mexican consulate is called,( Raul Cinta), and the Border Action Network, (Jennifer Allen), is also called it means that foreign nationals, (possible illegals) are involved. To throw a shovel and run. Must be one of those decent mexicans Tom keeps talking about. Struck and beaten? I understand the power of words and the press. From the picture I cannot see any bruises consistent with a "beating". Throw a shovel into my vehicle? I'd beat you. Your actions ask for violence and when you get it you cry unfair. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 12, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " continued to Ricard...and let me say that we thank you for protecting and defending us in "W's" wars, and would gladly shake your hand, but the facts of human nature do not cease, unfair as it is, most citizens are SOOOOO fed up with this situation and all the protection given the illegals the number of people developing prejudice (who were not so before ) will only grow until tsituation is corrected. I myself have defend Hispanics for years coming here, but as to the illegals, deport em !!!!!!!! crinimals and do not belong here. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 12, 2008 8:14 AM:

    " to Ricardo, sorry that this is happening, but as the situation gets worse, the reprocussions will only get worse.there is no way to tell a citizen from an illegal in these, correct, this does not make it right, but it IS human nature to feel that way, in an american stores and see all the advertisingand hear announcements in spanish, but this was NEVER done for ANY other group who came to this nation, I h ave said for a long time, innocents will be caught in the fray because of inaction on thepart of the governemtn..... "

    Local observer wrote on Jan 12, 2008 7:51 AM:

    " The story says:

    Why would the Border Patrol apologize if, as most of the comments here suggest, the entire incident was the fault of the family? "

    To "People can't read"- wrote on Jan 12, 2008 7:22 AM:

    " Maybe "you" need to go back and read. The stupid 18 yr old threw a shovel and it hit a BP Vehicle. Dah! No, the article is VERY vague about what was done to BP.....hmmmm, bias reporter??? As far as flipping the bird as a freedom of speech? You know where you can stick that! What happened to respect? Thing of the past I guess. This country will soon be Mexico. Then see how much freedom you will no longer have. "

    Carol wrote on Jan 12, 2008 7:10 AM:

    " That Shovel could have caused injury. Lets hear from the agents on this. To get respect you need to show respect. "

    Round up wrote on Jan 12, 2008 6:37 AM:

    " the illegals and boot them back to Mexico!! Anyone who throws shovels at BP needs to be in jail. Why are they calling the Mexican consulate? My guess is they have to be illegals so they all need to go! The low lifes need to get the message that they aren't needed or wanted in the U.S. "

    Control our people??? wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:11 AM:

    " Oh thats right, WHITE is right, wow ever the Bigot huh? I'll agree that the 18 year old, should have had charges filed for damaging property; he threw the shovel at the vehicle, but to beat the mother who did nothing, the family who did nothing, and then for most of you think thats cool to do so, for our Law enforcement to become nothing but thugs and use Gang mentality, is wrong! You know why they apologized, because they were wrong! Period! I dont expect the lynch mob here to understand that MORE is expected of those in authority! "

    BK wrote on Jan 12, 2008 1:24 AM:

    " It seems very clear from reading the article that the BP applied the appropriate force to control the situation. The 18 year old escalated the situation by throwing the shovel at the BP. There were 12 other adults in the house, which prompted forcable action by the few BP agents to control the situation, before the 12 turned into a mob. It appears that this was a set up from the beginning. Why was the Mexican Consulate and BAN contacted if it wasn't a set up? "

    SVLib wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:33 PM:

    " Hey Pauly, go throw a shovel at the rodents in the Sorry Gulch, PLEASE!!!!!!!! "

    Mark C. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:26 PM:

    " It's quiet amazing that the situation didn't escalate further. Border Partol pulls up and starts beating people with sticks thier going to have a gunfight on thier hand in many neighborhoods. Why did the Border Patrol Officer pull up and confront the 18 year old in front of his home? If the 18 year old was a citizen, was it a personal dispute? Why were 4 people beaten, detained and questioned and then released with no charges against them? Did the 18 year old get away or did the BorderPatrol decline to charge him? "

    Miko wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:08 PM:

    " Well none of this surprises me!Just another example of the Mexicans here to take from our country with no respect for our laws or our people. The way the Border Action Network harasses our Federal Authorities, the BP, but overlooks abuses by the Mexicans. If BAN really cares about humanity why don't they address the illegals who would leave a young woman with a broken leg in the desert to die? Or those illegals who rob and rape immigrants? Why doesn't BAN address the cause of all the illegal activity, and inhumanity at its source, the CORRUPT MEXICAN Government? "

    Ricardo wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:38 PM:

    " Dear Here we go again. I can understand your frustration. But to state that you hate hispanics and when you hear the Spanish language spoken makes your blood boil is a harsh statement. I'm hispanic, I serve our country(USA) in my civilian job as well as a member of the AZ National Guard, where I currently find myself in Afghanistan. I guess I can count myself as one of the decent Hispanics out there but a Hispanic none-the-less. Please take into consideration your thoughts about Hispanics. We protect our borders,defend our freedoms and die just like caucasians. Love your neighbor. "

    These people wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:23 PM:

    " This family should be glad that they aren't in my neighborhood, they would know abuse after this crap. "

    Wendy wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:34 PM:

    " It just goes to show where their loyalty lies. U.S. citizens abusing BP and then calling the homeland's consulate when they get what is coming. "

    Pesky wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:55 PM:

    " Good for the Border Patrol. Throw a shovel at me and you would need rehab. I'd bet this "kid" has been filled with hate for American authority even though he hasn't a better place to go. I'd like to know if these are illegal aliens involved in some scam? In the meantime, bring on Mexico and it's consulate. Don't like it? Go back home. "

    Lawman wrote on Jan 11, 2008 5:51 PM:

    " Attempted Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon/dangerous instrument and criminal damage. Since it was witnessed by the agents (law enforcement officers), they now have to appprahend him. If he runs into the house, agents don't need a warrant to enter, because they saw him run in there. If the family members try to stop the agents or local law enforcement, force can be used to enter.

    25,000 bond for the 18 yr old. No bond if he's illegal. Oh, and the others get charged for impeding the agents pursuit. "

    People can't read wrote on Jan 11, 2008 5:17 PM:

    " The story doesn't say he threw a shovel at the agent. People are just creating that themselves. Any law enforcement officer or prosecutor with proper training will tell you that just flipping off an agent is not a crime or an assualt but it is protected free speech. The jest of the story is that BP assualted the other occupants of the house without justification, not that the kid was mistreated or shouldn't be held responible. Of course disrespectful behavior and shovel throwing is bad but you can't beat up everyone else in the house. "

    Mike wrote on Jan 11, 2008 4:25 PM:

    " Hey Jennifer how about not starting an escalation to begin with. Tell your people if they want respect they have to give respect. "

    sierravistan wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:29 PM:

    " You HAVE to understand that respect for the law is NOT something people fro south of the border understand, therefore when they flip you off, thorw shovels thorugh your window, or worse, shoot you, rob you, break into your hose, you MUST treat them with respect and accord them every civility, after all, the don't know any better being the IGNORANT PEOPLE THEY ARE!!!!! Why is it when non-hispanics commit a crime they are punished, and when hispanics doso, soooo many people take their side without know ing the facts...the articel does not give many. "

    What?? wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:24 PM:

    " Once again check out the reporter, Shacat, Jennifer Allen's buddy. Once again the Mexicans are taking this out of context, completly glossing over the fact a US Federal Agent was assalted. These assaults on Federal Agents and also American Citizens is indeed going to turn ugly really fast. Soon we will have "undocumented border patrol agents" taking care of "undocumented immigrants" in a very bad way. Get these criminals out of the US, enough is enough. "

    Pauly wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM:

    " Hey SV Lib, go throw a shovel at a cop, PLEASE!!!!!!!! "

    Citizen Kane wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM:

    " Another set up situation. The perps are either illegals or they're not. If they are, they need to be apprehended, tried, and (if convicted) serve their sentence then be immediately deported. If they're not, they need to be apprehended, tried and (if convicted) serve their sentence. In either case, the Mexican gov't and the obviously pro-illegal terrorist organization known as the Border Action Network have no role whatsoever to play. "

    BW wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:44 PM:

    " Why were there 18 people at this house? That is shady to begin with. There's more to this than meets the eye. Although no abuse of innocents is justified and BP agents can be aggressive and are not above reproach, it seems that this situation warranted an aggressive response. This "kid" was 18 and needs to be held accountable. "

    re: here we go again wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:39 PM:

    " I totally agree. I'm to the point I just hate Hispanics. This makes me very sad, because it makes me one of those people I used to call ignorant bigots who can't think for themselves. And I *know* there must be really decent Hispanics out there. But I'm just so sick of it all that the very thought of them makes me angry. I don't want our country (or me) to go this way, but only the Hispanics can stop this growing mentality. Please, to any good Hispanics out there: for your own sakes take control of your people already! "

    SV LIB & Border Patrol out of control- wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:33 PM:

    " What color is the sky in your world? Apparently not the same as mine! We live in a VERY rural area and have had NOTHING but good encounters with BP for years. My thanks and support go out to them. Shame we can't let these idiot shovel throwers aim at you folks. Bet you'd change your tune real quick! If someone threw a shovel at me it might very well be the last thing they throw. "

    Some of you people.. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:54 PM:

    " make me sick. You think it is acceptable to throw shovels and be disrespectful and then blame the BP? Get the heck out of the US and move to Mexico you are living in the land of fantasy. "

    KB wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:14 PM:

    " "the first agent could have 'completely avoided" the escalation"?! Sure, if the provoker had not thrown a shovel through his vehicle window. Sounds unprovoked to me. I am tired of the near constant complaints against Border Patrol agents. It is the easiest way for someone who did something wrong to take the heat off of themselves. Too bad some members of the public can't see the obviousness of situations like this. "

    Here we go again... wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:59 PM:

    " Waah, waah, waah!! I assaulted an Officer with a deadly weapon/damaged government property and I can't hack the retribution!! Let me blow this story out of proportion so that I can make the newspaper!!! Maybe I can gain some sympathy from the public, then I can get some money from this incident that was CLEARLY my fault!!! "

    Torin wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:35 PM:

    " So what happened with/ to the 18 year old idiot who started this all? How come we do not hear of him apologizing for the disrespect and assualt with a deadly weapon? You throw a shovel through my car window with me inside and I will beat you too!!! "

    Lynn Kartchner wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:43 AM:

    " Editor: This story begs several questions: Were there any illegal aliens among the people involved? If not, why not say so. Leaving this detail out leads the reader to believe that at least some of the people were illegal aliens. This seems like a large group of people to be in a home, why not explain why. And if the BP agent was in the vehicle at the time the shovel was thrown, this is a felony. If he was not it is criminal damage, a misdemeanor. I think this story should be rewritten. "

    Stupidity wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:34 AM:

    " What do they expect when disrespecting an officer? I mean really, how stupid was this kid to flip off a BP agent? And I'm sure his family really didn't help matters much either. Act a fool get treated like a fool. Maybe this kids parents will start teaching this kid proper manners so as not to invite hardship on themselves. Idiot. "

    Friend wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:27 AM:

    " This is yet another story proving that BP agents are nothing but a bunch of heartless goons that treat people like animals. What have you to say to this Mr question mark guy? ? "

    J#2 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:14 AM:

    " Also, why does the Mexican Consulate need to get in to this? The four individuals were U.S Citizens, they were not illegal! Another thing, the four individuals were charge with assault on a federal agent and were release because....for the people of America, so you can know. An agent presents the charges to a U.S Attorney and they will decline to take any further action. In other words, an agent must have serious bodily injury in order for them to be convicted, I am talking about federal charges. "

    American wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:06 AM:

    " If this little punk (Arnoldo) threw a shovel at me, I'd kick in his face. He started it and I hope he turns out to be an illegal so we can deport him.
    "

    J wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:04 AM:

    " What can an agent do, when a punk kid throws a shovel through an agents window? Well, at leat for me, I would bring his butt down on the ground extremely hard. Let's say, that I have very good insight about this incident. Other agents respond, and other individuals come out running towards agents. What should they do, Yes, it's an escalated situation-bring them down too! The agents were in the right to use the appropriate force, in order to de-escalate this incident. Now, they have contacted the Mexican Consulate? What, you got to be kidding me! "

    CGS wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:23 AM:

    " If the Mexican consulate was contacted then we are dealing with non-US citizens...in a small house that had over 12 adults. Hmm. That all sounds fishy to me. A 18-year-old punks flips off a Border Patrol agent and assaults him with a shovel (that misses its target, thankfully) and runs off and the agents are expected to be calm? It sounds like this residence has a history of altercations with Border Patrol agents but the residents want to cover their hides for a cool abuse story. "

    Iris Lynch wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:06 AM:

    " Naturally, the person throwing the shovel is completely innocent and the Agents should just understand that these people have 'rights' and they don't. "

    SV LIB wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:55 AM:

    " This type of brutality needs to STOP! Shame on the BP, attacking Americans in America! "

    Border Patrol out of control wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:43 AM:

    " Border Patrol needs to hold agents accountable and the public needs to hold Border Patrol accountable I have experience agaressive hostile agents when the situation didn't warrant any elevated attitude. I certainly didn't present any. And I am a white, middle aged, professional male who had simply stopped by the side of the highway in the middle of the day to review my map. My friends, also white middle aged professionals report similiar experiences as well. If Border Patrol allows bad agents to bully the public they have no support from me. "

    Sorry wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:51 AM:

    " What a sorry bunch, flip an agent off, throw a shovel, and then blame the BP for what happened. And that is their side of the story. Wonder if they told it in Spanish? "

    SV Resident wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:44 AM:

    " Why did they call the mexican consulate? Are they citizens of mexico? As far as the jerk who attempted to attack one of our Border Patrol Officer's, he's a criminal and needs arrested. I have a feeling this is a instigation of the mexican government in response to our new laws. I think there will be more frequence of these claims as more illegal aliens depart Arizona and the United States. "

    Hmmm... wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:43 AM:

    " You know it doesn't make sense. The kid or whatever assulted the agent by flicking him off and then throwing the shovel at his vehicle. Any law enforcement in that situation would have responsed the same and most likely arrested him. And now the family wants to complain about what happened? In the first place they should have shown their son to respect a law enforcement person. "

    Here we go again! wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:09 AM:

    " The idiot kid threw a SHOVEL for God's sake! If that couldn't hurt/kill someone... Yes, BP should have benn nicer to the Mexican boy as he is of hispanic origin and we all need to treat them special. Bash the BP agents as they are always wrong. Makes me sick and has really turned me into a prejugdice person. I am to the point that when I hear Spanish spoken my blood boils. This Mexican special treatment and illegal situation is heading in a very ugly direction!!!!!!! "

    Pauly wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:55 AM:

    " Flip me off, and tose a shovel at me and I'll beat you too! Why'd you cop an attitude with the BP! Were you showing off in from of all those people? Sounds like there was a party going on and you stood up - then got knocked down. Boo Hoo! "

    Good grief... wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:34 AM:

    " maybe they shouldn't have thrown a shovel at the BP agents? And why is the Mexican Consulate being involved? More bull crap by Jennifer Allen et al.

    Go throw a shovel at SVPD and see what happens. Now these people with this group will go after agents, and then file complaints if they get picked up. Talk about getting desperate. America, we need to STOP this. "

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