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BREAKING NEWS: Teens killed in collision had been consuming alcohol, Sheriff’s Office says

Published/Last Modified on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2007 - 06:15:30 pm MST

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SIERRA VISTA — The Cochise County Sheriff’s Office on Tuesday said two teens who died after their dirt bikes collided in August had been consuming alcohol, according to lab results.

And the Sheriff’s Office said another teen who reportedly stepped in front of a car and died two days later — Tiffany LeTexier — had alcohol in her system.

The “preliminary” results were released Tuesday afternoon by the Sheriff’s Office.

Keane Moss, 15, and James DeAnda, 19, were found dead near the intersection of Bevers Street and Campobello Avenue, about a half mile east of Highway 92. The wreck occurred about 12:30 a.m. on Aug. 25.

LeTexier died after she reportedly walked in front of a car on Highway 92 about 2:15 a.m. on Aug. 27.

The Sheriff’s Office says it is continuing to investigate the incidents, though the Arizona Department of Public Safety is the lead agency in the LeTexier investigation. The Herald/Review has requested reports from the DPS on LeTexier’s incident, but they have not yet been received.

According to the news release on Tuesday, the Sheriff’s Office “anticipates criminally charging anyone who is found to have contributed to these underage victims.”

For more on this story, read Wednesday’s Herald/Review.

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rediculous. wrote on Oct 31, 2007 8:49 AM:

" I dont understand how alot of you can talk about people you most likely didnt know that are dead so badly. You have no heart. I knew all four of them and they were all wonderful people. It makes me so mad to sit here and see these comments. They are dead they deserve respect. So do their families. You most likely have no idea what they are going through if you are righting those things. R.I.P. Josh, Tiff,Keane, and James. "

cant understand why nobody wants to drop it wrote on Oct 31, 2007 8:46 AM:

" you know whats sad? that these four amazing people died and people just get on here and talk crap. do you not understand these people are dead? they will never come back and a lot of you still refuse to stop talking. think of their families. if you can talk like that on here put your real names or better yet go to these teens parents and tell them to their face. A lot of you couldn't do it but behind your fake names on here you can. Thats sad maybe you should grow up. These teens were amazing. "

Amanda wrote on Oct 26, 2007 6:33 PM:

" I posted this on another thread and others posted it on more threads. solid evidence! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swzYs0SZ5RE "

Jean wrote on Oct 25, 2007 1:52 AM:

" Let these poor families have some peace. Let these young people's memories be. What sick use is it to rehash all this? Let law enforcement do their job, and they will. Alcohol is a problem with young people from age 12 on up. Our country bans marijuana, but not alcohol, which kills more people annually than does drugs. "

relieved wrote on Oct 24, 2007 1:05 PM:

" I think this forum is starting to come to an end. Hurray "

Agree! wrote on Oct 24, 2007 11:27 AM:

" Stupid Tiffany destroyed this woman's life! I feel for her. How can someone be so selfish! She is not a "teen angel"! Shame, Shame on you Tiffany! You had so many friends here, who you slapped in the face! WHY? "

Think about this wrote on Oct 23, 2007 7:32 PM:

" Has anyone ever thought about what is going on with the woman that hit Tiffany? She is still alive and has to live with this the rest of her life. I agree with Disgusted.. this is crazy. Do onto others as you would have them do onto you...always remember it goes both ways, karma will catch up with you, and just let it go! "

Freaking out! wrote on Oct 23, 2007 7:09 AM:

" WHOA!! Dec 31, 1969? This thread's been running since forever! EDITOR'S NOTE: Obviously a glitch in the web system. We'll see if we can get it fixed. "

to educated wrote on Oct 22, 2007 7:16 PM:

" First you need to learn to spell. Secondly what people do when they have lost someone is feel numb and cry and grieve--that is the normal thing to do. And you do that no matter how the person(s) die. You will find out the day someone you are close to dies. And I would never say such things to you--I am not that kind of person. "

SVOG wrote on Oct 22, 2007 4:33 PM:

" Words are just words and you know they real people tiff, james, keane, and josh were. "

SVOG wrote on Oct 22, 2007 4:32 PM:

" No matter how you die we are all going to die. when it is your time you are going to go, thats just the plan. Wehter you die from cancer or on a dirt bike it should not matter, it is death and it should be a time for grievence. At least these kids died doing what they loved instead of in a hospital bed with tubes coming out of them. Life is full of unexpected turns and what does not kill you only makes you stonger. Alex and Chelsea, dont let any of these words brong you down. "

alcohol or wrecklessness wrote on Oct 22, 2007 5:22 AM:

" As important as the teen alcohol issue is, it should be noted that many of these motorbikers and ATVers have been been behaving wrecklessly for some time, even when not under the influence. Unfortunately, the police have taken a "boys will be boys" attitude. The failure of the police to enforce the law is a huge part of the story here. Neighbors foresaw tragedy coming long ago. The police were called dozens of times, but the police said they had more important things to do. Perhaps the police are undermanned but they also have had the wrong attitude. "

original article says wrote on Oct 21, 2007 4:34 PM:

" Keene flew 80 feet. "

Curious wrote on Oct 21, 2007 1:30 PM:

" Does Keenes sister attend Buena? "

Marcie wrote on Oct 21, 2007 11:38 AM:

" just a brief note to all, I was serious about putting in time and effort ....I realized though that I needed a special email address so other willing people can help. I've never tried any thing like this before. The address is ACTS.SierraVista@yahoo.com ACTS stands for Aduts, Children, Teens, Seniors "

Educated wrote on Oct 20, 2007 10:10 PM:

" All these cry babies need to get a life! Feeling sad and numb is one thing, but it could have been prevented so easily! I am tired of all the excuses that the friends and family keep throwing around. This was thier fault and the consequences have now occured. "Excuses are the nails to build a house of failure". "

A Mom wrote on Oct 20, 2007 6:48 PM:

" We need to learn from past mistakes, pray we don't repeat them and that God blesses those that the mistakes have horrible consequences. I pray for peace and healing for these families. May God bless each of us and may this would never happen to another family again. "

kid wrote on Oct 20, 2007 6:17 PM:

" I left out the word 'city' in the one I wrote at 11:35 a.m. "

kid wrote on Oct 20, 2007 11:35 AM:

" where in the newspaper article does it say that the is responsible for the deaths. She said there needs to be more things for kids to do. And James was not thrown 110 feet. What the depty told the family was the original statement--15 feet. And when news articles are written, the editor picks and chooses what is included. "

mb wrote on Oct 20, 2007 10:25 AM:

" Why don't you guys find something else to write about, its hard enough for people to deal with the deaths and then every 2 seconds you turn around and their in the newspaper again. just give it a rest. There is NOTHING you can do about it now anyways. "

To Keene's big sister! wrote on Oct 20, 2007 12:46 AM:

" I want to say this! You had some great memories. What can you do in Keene,James, and Tiff's honor to make sure another teenager doesn't drink and drive!! You are a teenager and maybe getting the parents and your family together for a teen forum at Buena H.S. and telling them this could be you! Please don't drink and drive. I lost a little sister at 17 yrs old too in car accident. This could be what will help you heal. Maybe, he is saying SIS-please tell the teens at Buena! to stop drinking and dribving!! "

SV resident wrote on Oct 19, 2007 3:44 PM:

" I think what happened with James and Keane was them having the worst decision of their life which ended it. It wasn't anyone else's fault, just bad judgment on their end. With that said, I think James' mother is pretty ignorant in saying that this was the city's fault for not having enough to do for kids. Tucson has the same problems but they are overshadowed by the murders and dead bodies found in Tucson every day. I'm sorry for her loss but she needs a grip. Cont... "

Bugdom wrote on Oct 19, 2007 3:10 PM:

" No Brainer is right, if your family has a problem than you should pay attention to that and not drink yourself. I do support things for the town, but does not excuse the bad behavior of these kids. "

Marcie wrote on Oct 19, 2007 11:01 AM:

" Thank you parent 1122, I'm willing to put in the time and effort for a place that people in Sierra Vista and surrounding area can enjoy. Is there any one else that is willing to help. As for the gang theory, there is no place now and there are still gangs. Please don't let me think that good family enjoyment and teens not involved with gangs should have to pay a price. "

wow wrote on Oct 19, 2007 10:46 AM:

" no brainer you seem to be the dumb one saying you don't drink when the question was have you ever had a drink. When people pay taxes to the towns for the towns to build places for residents so that they have things to do then the town should do it and stop spending it all on things for the elderly. This is not an elderly town anymore and sierra vista needs to open it's eyes to see that. Yes god will be the one to judge even you no brainer . might want to always remember that. "

Marcie wrote on Oct 19, 2007 9:52 AM:

" cont'd these are just a few examples. We were just pretty lucky that nothing happened to us. No one should try to make themselves better than someone else. My heart goes out to any family who has lost a loved one. Then is not a time to throw any stones. In a way we all live in glass houses "

Marcie wrote on Oct 19, 2007 9:47 AM:

" In 49 years I have never met a person who had not at one time or another done something in poor judgment. I admit I have in the past and chances are I will in the future. Have you ever seen an elderly person who can barely walk get behind the wheel of a car? Have you ever taken medication and then drive? How about talking on the phone, or having a conversation in your car with passengers? Thought about our next errand or something else instead of concentrating on driving? cont'd "

Fortunate adult wrote on Oct 19, 2007 9:27 AM:

" My heart goes out to the families of these teens. I have to admit when I was a teen I didn't always use sound judgment. I thank God I was fortunate to become an adult. We are approaching the holiday season. How many adults will go to Christmas parties New Years parties? How many will have designated drivers? Hopefully their deaths will open up the eyes of a few people. Usually the drunk driver walks away and an innocent person is hurt or killed. "

No Brainer wrote on Oct 19, 2007 8:21 AM:

" This town may belong to all of us. It is NOT the towns responsibility to entertain you dumb folks!! I do not drink, but have seen the consequences in my family. Since this is a public death we can say what I want about it and that the way it is! I'm sure God will have much more to say on this as well! "

Yup, I'm a mother wrote on Oct 19, 2007 7:08 AM:

" Keep bringing this up?!! Did I not see Tiffany's gravesite memorial announcement all last week A MONTH OR SO AFTER her death?? Is it because the friends and families of the teens want the public to believe they were innocent, good kids who were at the wrong place at the wrong time? You all wanted the public to pay tribute to the teens and sympathize so I think the public has a right to know what caused these deaths. Bingo! Now we know, ALCOHOL! So THAT explains the alcoholic beverages at Josh's memorial sites "

sv'er wrote on Oct 19, 2007 6:39 AM:

" .....CONT'd.....blaming others for your lack of a brain. If you want to continue to drink and party before you're at the right age to do so, go far away to do it. Just because you feel invincible, doesn't give you the right to put my kids and family members at risk due to your stupidity! You won't listen to anyone because you know better, right? Just go away to do it so if you hurt yourselves, my family can stay safe. "

sv'er wrote on Oct 19, 2007 6:29 AM:

" There are many good teens in this town. Not all of them feel they need to go drink and party to be entertained. Tucson, Phoenix, and other big cities have lots of stuff for kids to do, but they still have a problem with teen drinking. You're gonna do it, no matter if your spoiled little selves are provided with recreational stuff to do or not. Stop trying to find excuses for your bad behaviour and stop blaming others for your problems. We all had problems growing up. Some drank, some didn't, but you can't keep .....CONT'd "

CSG wrote on Oct 18, 2007 11:14 PM:

" Someone on another board said the Ethel Burger Center is for Seniors. It is not. It offers classes and activities for everyone. It's simply that teens do not want to be "around old people" like my teen daughter once said. (Because teens don't want to get caught by "old people" drinking and doing drugs) A town the size of SV will not build a center strictly for teens. It will build a center for the entire family. If teens refuse to take part in community activities, the boredom is on them alone to cure. "

Former SV Resident wrote on Oct 18, 2007 10:21 PM:

" Small Town, Small Minds.. So typical...No wonder they call your town "SORRY VISTA". Take a good look at yourself and your history before judging others...everyone has skeletons in their closets. GOD is the only judge in life... Shame on all of you for judging these parents and their children. Just remember, you never know when something like this could happen to you. "

rob wrote on Oct 18, 2007 8:21 PM:

" I grew up in sierra vista in the 1980's there was a drinking problem then too!! Especially at the " bluff's" or so called the "river" and it is a wonder more of my generation wasn't killed. The bikes and "3 Wheelers" were just as fast then and we had whiskey and beer too. "

parent1122 wrote on Oct 18, 2007 7:31 PM:

" Marcie, you have a good point and a good suggestion, but I can tell you I went to a city meeting 6 yrs ago and asked about something for the youths inthis town and I was told they were not willing to give the kids a place to "hangout" and create gangs. That is what I was told,. this city is run by old retired ppl who have yet to understand without us middle age ppl with teens and the Fort this city will not survive. its sad but true. "

What? wrote on Oct 18, 2007 6:48 PM:

" Way to go "not all teens". I am exactly the same way with my kids. My kids aren't angels; they talk back sometimes and they blow off their homework sometimes, but they don't drink, do drugs, or have unsafe sex. They are honest with me, but I have the "trust but verify" attitude that I've stuck to despite being called unfair or unpopular. My children's safety and well-being are most important. They appreciate the parameters I've set for them. "

to no brainer wrote on Oct 18, 2007 4:48 PM:

" When did you buy the town? I thought the whole united states belongs to the people. I didn't know that sv was just your town. Since it's your town how about you build something for your residents so they have something to do.Have you never had a drink in your life? stop judging people you have no right to do that only god does. "

SV wrote on Oct 18, 2007 3:40 PM:

" Excuse me but who do all of you think you are? I know that all of you have done something wrong and just because you did not die, does not mean you did not do it. Yes they drank but they are dead so why keep dragging it up. Dont you think dieing is punishment enough? Most of you that are commenting on the lifes they lead are adults but your acting like children. Until you know what it feels like to be a teen that looses your brother or boyfriend screw off. It is the worst pain imaginable. "

Not all teens wrote on Oct 18, 2007 3:30 PM:

" lie to their parents, drink underage, or break curfew. From a very young age, my son knew that if he lied to me, he would not be trusted. If he drank or did drugs, I would turn him myself. He knows there are risks (and consequences) for premarital sex and smoking (i.e, cancer, STDs/AIDS, unwanted pregnancy). At nearly 19, he has not done any of that. Until age 18, I did room/backpack inspections, waited up, and verified where he was/who he was with. He now sees what others do, and the devastation it causes, and knows I wasn't crazy! "

SV Resident wrote on Oct 18, 2007 1:06 PM:

" As bad as this is, it's not anyone's fault. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go....nothing you can do about it. For those if us who have grown up here in SV, we know theres not much to do but go out drinking with your friends. Stop playing the blame game and take this time to remember those who are no longer with us. And believe me, they are in a much better place now instead of being here in Sierra Vista "

No Brainer wrote on Oct 18, 2007 1:06 PM:

" I agree that this has gone on long enough. This stuff happens everywhere and does not cause this much attention. However this was very stupid on there part and the facts prove that. It may not be the parents fault completely due to these individuals age, but everyone has to suffer and thats the way it is. They may have a good reputation, but it is bad character to drink or do drugs and put everyone in danger!! This is my town and I want you people to shape up and fly right!! "

aV wrote on Oct 18, 2007 12:36 PM:

" ...and one more thing, if you say there's nothing to do in SV but party, your kind of right, because thats what kids with no self control who just want to drink to get drunk and party choose to do, and the kids in here posting are those kind of kids. There are probably a million and one other things to do besides get drunk and do something stupid in SV, and saying kids are gonna drink underage no matter what just makes you look stupid and shows you haven't learned anything "

aV wrote on Oct 18, 2007 12:28 PM:

" you cant just say 'stop bringin this up' and 'let us move on', because the fact of the matter is they were drinking, and as bad as this may sound, they were idiots for doing that, and trying to cover them up making them seem like they never drank is wrong, especially when there's alcohol at their memorial sites. And nobody is picking on the friends of the lost ones, these are just facts that are put out there so others know the TRUTH not some fabricated lies there friends made up...yes its tragic but it was preventable "

Marcie wrote on Oct 18, 2007 11:10 AM:

" I agree with CSG, I've lived in Sierra Vista for 18 months. And I always wondered why a city that is growing so rapidly offered so little in family entertainment. As for location and funding I don't have access to certain information, but if a committee needed to be formed to achieve this I'd be more than willing. People can not just sit back and complain without trying to help come up with a solution. "

omg wrote on Oct 18, 2007 10:28 AM:

" to the people who blame the parents either you have no children so then you really have no idea what you are talking about and if you have no children you really have no right to say anything because you have never been in that spot. If you have kids then you are blind to think your kids never made a mistake. Thats how people learn is through there mistakes. These kids are smart, they are just trying to find themselves and learning and living life.It's amazing how people can judge others but not themselves. "

me wrote on Oct 18, 2007 10:27 AM:

" cry cry cry All you that complain there is nothing to do take all your millions down the city hall and tell them to build you something. Oh that right you have no money so stop crying and get a job LOOSERS "

CSG again wrote on Oct 18, 2007 7:07 AM:

" Also, I am all for a community center with a skating rink, indoor mini-golf and food vendors like a smoothie shop. This would be perfect for kids of all ages, from 2-92. Teens, not illegals, would be hired to do all the work so that the jobs would give them some self-worth that they have EARNED. But where to build such a center? It needs to be easily accessible off a bus route and close to most residents. I'm all for such a thing. Are residents willing to pay for this? "

CSG wrote on Oct 18, 2007 6:56 AM:

" When I was in high school I cycled back roads, joined the cross-country team, hiked, learned photography, traveled, read and wrote. I also got into my studies. I was never bored. I used to think (and actually, I still do) that people who are bored lack motivation. It's those teens who grow up to become unmotivated adults and who spend more time complaining about having nothing to do while they play computer games, drink and then drive late at night, all the while moaning how there is nothing to do in their town. "

Pauly wrote on Oct 18, 2007 6:43 AM:

" If you have nothing to do then go home. "

What? wrote on Oct 18, 2007 5:39 AM:

" Why can't a group of teens hang out and NOT drink? As a teenager, I didn't have any facilities to go to... we hung out at our friends' houses. We didn't even have VCRs/DVDs or even cable TV or video games. We talked, ran around, and hung out without alcohol or drugs and had the best time. All of the privileges you have have weakened your imagination. It's a cop that you need to party to have fun. "

Enough is Enough wrote on Oct 17, 2007 8:35 PM:

" I grew up here. I remember when Sports Gallery was a teen dance club, there was a skanting rink, bowling alley. I have a teen daughter and worry that the only thing that the city offers her is the mall. I don't think that the city should be more responsible then the parents' , but I think more hsouldbe done. "

Area Teen wrote on Oct 17, 2007 5:06 PM:

" I think this should be a wake-up call for all of us teens. I'm not saying that we all go out get so drunk, but how many people are going to die before something gets changed? The reason we go out and party is because we HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO. I'm not saying all of us drink at these parties; but it is a common thing. I'm glad that the cops are finally starting to crack down on all of this. "

Time to grow up. wrote on Oct 17, 2007 2:41 PM:

" Chelsea, this is a public forum and in America, we have the right to discuss topics. This is not your personal business, because these kids killed themselves on streets tax payers pay for and had to be attended to by emergency personnel tax payers pay for. And drinking teens out after curfew is a community issue. This is *our* business, not just yours. Frankly, I wonder why you keep coming here if discussion of topics that affect our community bother you. "

Disgusted wrote on Oct 17, 2007 2:28 PM:

" My momma always told me "Stupid is as stupid does!" "What goes around comes around" and "Do onto others as you'd have done to you!" I can't believe the family & Friends want SV to just let it go. It is OUR children and families that COULD have been there and that lady that hit Tiffany that matter now. NEVER FORGET-the stupidity of all involved adult or child. Learn from it and look at how much harder you made it for OUR children now. Thanks for nothing!!!!! "

chelsea moss(keanes big sis) wrote on Oct 17, 2007 1:33 PM:

" Also all these kids parents are amazing....lke someone below said....it is easy to lie to your parents and say you are somewhere your not. everyone hurts from that night! to "azdave" keane would never play chicken he was not that kind of kid and the police will tell you that is not what happened! police are just doing there job but must the newspaper make a article about it....it is our personal business. To those of you who say such men things...you have no idea what it is like to lose a lil brother, son or boyfriend as amazing astheseboys! "

chelsea moss(keanes big sis) wrote on Oct 17, 2007 1:28 PM:

" some of you ppl are so cold hearted! do you know how many times a day me or my mom or my dad regret that night! i hate myself for not taking care of my little brother! he was everything to me and i love and miss him so! who knew that ridding 100yds would end his life....yes it is stupid to drink underage and trust me us close to all three have learned our lesson! this story just needs to stop it hurts to see it everywhere over and over agian! RIP KEANE JAMES TIFF! "

Me wrote on Oct 17, 2007 1:27 PM:

" Sure, lets just forget it, we wouldnt want anyone to know that these kids were not the brightest. Welcome to the world kids, when you screw up, the rest of the world will know, no matter how much crying you do. I have no sympathy for drinking and driving/Riding. "

Show Concern wrote on Oct 17, 2007 11:37 AM:

" My heart continues to ache for these teens and their families. There are too many times when too many people of all ages make too many bad judgments, but thankfully, they do not cause any pain to anyone. Then there are the too many times we do cause pain, but time cannot be reversed. No one is beyond making mistakes. Hopefully, we learn from them. Hopefully, we can put alcohol and drugs aside and be there for each other. Be the good example. Do not judge but feel concern for those hurting and their loved ones. "

James Powell, Jr. wrote on Oct 17, 2007 10:57 AM:

" There is an old song entitled, "Only The Strong Survives." In this case of these kids, Only The Smart Survives. Bottom line: these kids's actions (lifestyles) were definitely NOT smart, if you know what I mean. "

PJR wrote on Oct 17, 2007 10:23 AM:

" CONT:Kids want to party, they will. I am tired of this “kids have nothing to do in this town”, they have a heck of a lot more to do than we did living in HC/tombstone. The teens posting and saying this is just a lame excuse!It is just what they want to do. If they are drinking and driving, that is where the police,parents,& judges really need to crack down. That is a huge disgusting problem with adults,let alone underage teens! That is when innocent people are in danger,and that is what truly scares me! "

PJR wrote on Oct 17, 2007 10:21 AM:

" I agree that parents need to sometimes become detectives when it comes to their rebellious lying teens, some do not. I don’t believe that it is how the kids are raised, but more to do with their personality. I never lied to my parents and I didn’t drink or party till I was 21. I had awesome HS/teen years, there was NOTHING to do as I went to THS. My siblings are completely opposite. "

to: parent in Baghdad wrote on Oct 17, 2007 9:18 AM:

" I am not sticking my head in the sand, I have talked to my kids, and I keep talking to them but I dont just mention these accidents I talk to them about all the recent accidents , including the adult ones. Your right this is news.. but its not new news and everyone knows that. I see no aritcles about the adult bozos that were being arrested in front of the new night club this past weekend.while just about every SVPD was surrounding the place, Now that would be new news. "

another relative wrote on Oct 17, 2007 7:47 AM:

" All I know is yes the police have a job to do. You can't tell me that all of you parents are perfect. Have none of you made mistakes. There are tons of what if's in situations like these but bottom line is that all of these kids were loved! If you had gone to the services you know how many ppl these kids' touched! Most likely, you think your kids aren't into trouble but you have no idea! Think before you speak!R.I.P. Keane James "

So can someone tell me... wrote on Oct 17, 2007 7:40 AM:

" ... why on earth you whining people who get all teary-eyed when this subject is brought up and people comment on it *in a comment section* keep coming back for more? Are you masochists? Or just too stupid to realize that coming here and reading the comments are going to get you all upset? Just go away if you don't like what you read here. I know this will be hard for you to understand, but concentrate really hard (but wait 'till you're sober or you'll hurt yourself): go away, don't read the comments and you won't get upset. "

A little cheese with that whine? wrote on Oct 17, 2007 7:30 AM:

" No way should we stop talking about it. Why on earth would anyone want to stop talking about this? If it reminds even one kid not to be so stupid, then it's great! As for 'don't blame the parents because we lie to them'... Pulease! Any parent half-awake will now exactly when their kids are lying; you teens over-estimate your acting skills. They'll also call the parents of the kids they are supposed to be with and check things out. Most parents haven't even *met* the parents of their kids' friends or been to their house to check it out. "

Observing wrote on Oct 17, 2007 5:20 AM:

" To ALEXIS COULSTON wrote,"I feel no loss for them". You are a hard hearted person. "

Sorry4YourLoss wrote on Oct 17, 2007 5:06 AM:

" Quit trying to find someone to blame. Do you know what it's like to lose a child?? Do you understand that these kids are NOT COMING BACK?? I'm sure those kids' parents would do anything to turn back time and start that day over and have it end any way but the way it did. You people should be reaching out to these families right now instead of criticizing them. To the families- I am deeply sorry for you loss. I know exactly what you're going through. Your children will be missed. "

Teen Angel! wrote on Oct 17, 2007 1:46 AM:

" Thank you sheriffs. Yes, if they were drinking Charge everyone involved in the underage drinking. There is no excuse teenagers and adults in Drinking and driving!! "

Langer wrote on Oct 17, 2007 12:58 AM:

" Whew. A couple of posts are saying that alcohol is necessary for relief of stress or boredom. How ignorant. For those who are tired of seeing more of this story than they'd like, the answer is simple: don't read the story. But it really seems that you want to wallow in and try to justify the events. "

Tiffany's uncle wrote on Oct 17, 2007 12:48 AM:

" Please see comment section of Tiffany's obituary dated Wednesday October 10, 2007. "

not needed wrote on Oct 17, 2007 12:38 AM:

" This story is not needed please don't report this tomorrow this story is not needed, teens make mistakes and its not needed to be know about to the world about how terrible of a mistake thier deths were "

To Angles and Be Responsible wrote on Oct 17, 2007 12:24 AM:

" God I hope you have a bunch of teenagers, especially girls! And for those parents with grown kids, call them and ask them what they have gotten away with. You can spend as many sit-down dinners and time with your kids, but they will make drastic choices in their lives too. We have Judges in this community that have DUI records themselves. Would you say that they are GOOD Judges? "

To azdave and the perfect citizens, wrote on Oct 17, 2007 12:07 AM:

" They were NOT playing chicken. I know this for a fact. I was called to the scene THAT HORRIBLE NIGHT. It was a poor decision to ride a dirtbike with no lights on those dark roads. Poor Keane didn't even know James was on the way. No one was around when James got on his bike, (he lived on his own). They didn't deserve to die and the loss is more painful than any legal punishment that the law can impose on any of the friends or families. "

eileen coulston wrote on Oct 16, 2007 11:46 PM:

" No one is to blame for their deaths, but maybe themselves. I am sure God has given them the talk by now. James was 19 and living on his own. These young people did not just drink all the time, despite, what self-righteous strangers might have heard. My family and I will miss James, Keane, and Tiffany forever. Through the pain of losing their friends, many of these young people have already quit drinking. The lesson has been taught and will never be forgotten. "

Good Grief wrote on Oct 16, 2007 11:34 PM:

" It's amazing to see the friends of the drunk teens complain about this story being out of line. It's also amazing to see them blame the cops or the Herald for publishing this breaking news? Are we to all believe all teens are angels? Teens are bored in town because they refuse to get creative. They want to drink to be cool. Some of them then do stupid things and others blame the parents for idiotic teens? Unbelievable. This is such a redneck town it's embarrassing to live here. "

Nothing to do? wrote on Oct 16, 2007 11:25 PM:

" Compared to the big city and what you see on TV, yea there's nothing to do here. But this is not the big city and you have to deal in reality and be more creative than clicking the remote and being brainwashed by watching MTV and Fuse all day. (blocked) My teenager and I have no problem finding awesome things to do here. After our 10th year here were constantly coming up with more. As for the under age teens with alcohol in their systems, I hope law enforcement criminally charge anyone who is found to have contributed. "

To SV TEEN wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:39 PM:

" Out of all the comments posted here, yours are the most ignorant and pathetic I've seen. I've seen some of your (or your other pals) post before about how all the ills and evils of Sierra Vista are due to the lack of "anything to do". That's absurd. It's all about choice and free will! You have a choice to do the right thing, or the wrong thing. There are LOTS of things to do here but you just don't want to do them - so there is a difference! "

Unfortunate but that's the law wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:31 PM:

" I probably get flamed, but as unfortunate as these tragic events are, they NEED to be properly investigated. Yes, I think bad parents' comments are out of line, and yes, it's very uncomfortable for those near this matter, but the bottom line is that someone is responsible for this horrible loss of life and, IF APPROPRIATE, should be held accountable. If not, then this matter should be closed. But it's not just going to simply go away to appease the comfort level of those affect. Sometimes the correct, albeit painful road, must be taken. "

Angles? wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:31 PM:

" I am a student here in SV and it is odd to me to read the comments of friends and family who say that they were good kids. If they were so good, why then were they out past curfew? Why were they drinking? Why were they drinking underage? Does that sound like the actions of good kids? What does this say about the parents? Do they even know their kids are out that late or drinking or who knows what else? "

Be Responsible wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:27 PM:

" How can all of these people say it is no one's fault. When you say that you are saying you are too irresponsible to accept blame. Yes it is some one's fault, and because they were minors the blame goes to the parents. If the friends and parents were so wonderful, they would have never let this tragedy happen. Law enforcement and the Herald have a responsibility to hold people accountable and all this information is public information. If the family doesn't like it, then stop reading about it. Again you are just blaming and not being responsible. "

Oh The Parents wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:23 PM:

" You know, they call them minors for a reason. The parents are responsible until they are 18. It is that simple and it is the law. Can you know that your kids are misbehaving? Sure you can. You check up on them and get involved in their lives. I am sorry for the loss of the lives, but the parents are to blame, period. Pay attention to your kids. Know what they do. Know who their friends are and what they do. Parents, learn from these losses. It could be your kids idiot decision next. -A Parent Who Is Aware. "

to bad parents.... ? and cops wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:19 PM:

" the fool at the bottom needs to know that the deandas are an amazing family. they didnt know their son was drinking. He was living on his own. paid his own bills, and worked very hard. He was a truly good guy. Lets not crush his rep. HE was an amazing unlce, friend, son, and BOYFRIEND. Teens drink and make mistakes. Just like you are doing by blaming his family or anyone else. "

azdave wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:19 PM:

" This has truly been a tragic experience for the parents and friends of the two kids who were killed, but let's get real here ... the SV Herald didn't create this misery. The two kids who decided to play chicken in the dark, and the friends who let them, are the ones who created it. Compare the reality of the deaths with the deception in the original article and tell me that the the Herald didn't have some sort of obligation to print a follow-up. Or maybe we should just restrict them to reporting on craft fairs. "

To ALEXIS COULSTON wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:16 PM:

" First off, when someone gets behind the wheel of a car or motorcycle and they are under the influence and cause an accident, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW. You or your friends (because of their choices) put MY life or the life of my kids in jeopardy with you dumb decisions, then it becomes public knowledge. You drive drunk, you get what you deserve. That why they have laws. I feel no loss for them, however I feel bad for the grandparents and extended family. "

Calm Down wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:07 PM:

" I agree with most that the friends and families need time to heal and process this how they deem fit. But I think that all personal emotions aside, there are lesson that can, should, and will be learned from these events. Do not fault the police for conducting an investigation. That's their job. Same for the paper. All students and parents need to take a long hard look at all of this events and the mistakes, yes there's blame to go all around, and learn from them. "

ANOTHERconcerned friend wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:00 PM:

" sv helard, here's a topic for you, shut up. the cops need to give it a rest. we are trying to get past this year now. all that we have had was a crappy senior year. i would like to just look back on the good times that we have had not the negative publicity. oh hey! by the way the parents are GREAT parents, so people can really shut up! thanks. r.i.p tiffany, keane, james, and joshua. we love and miss you!-sjb "

huh? wrote on Oct 16, 2007 10:00 PM:

" how does alcohol use of teens make the cops look good? besides, the fact that many people (right or wrong) presumed there was alcohol involved is why the story needs followup. or should we just ignore it and hope it never happens again? mourn for your lost, hold close your memories, and LEARN for the future. quit blaming other people for seeing it for what it is. it is news in a small town. "

Relative wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:56 PM:

" This is to the "Bad Parent". Our family and friends are going through enough at this point in time. Is it necessary to be so rude? None of us understand why they feel the need to keep bringing this up but all we can do is stick together and stay strong. These parents have to live without their children and do not need to live with the thought that it is their fault when it really IS NOT!!! "

SV TEEN wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:54 PM:

" No one listens! We told you so from the begining! There is nothing for us here to do but drink! PLEASE GIVE US A PLACE DECENT TO HANG OUT! "

Parent in Baghdad wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:51 PM:

" to 'concerned parent1122'...how stupid and naïve are you? "Let's bury our head in the sand, and forget about it." When kids drink-it is news-when kids get killed (young out at night or early in the morning-throwing themselves at passing cars)-it is big news-It is REAL big news when you put the two together. All three deaths were preventable and very sad "

imissmyfriends wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:51 PM:

" STOP talking about this already.It's not fair to the families or the friends.Yes, we know they had been drinking the night of their deaths,BUT thats over and done with.we can not take it back, if we could we would. "

none wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:49 PM:

" just to let everyone know. this isnt the SV PD bringing this all up. it's the cochise county sheriffs. and i do agree, they need to stop bringing it up and let us all deal with this. them bringing it up isnt helping all of us friends and the family. p.s. they have amazing parents so dont even say they are anything but amazing. the love their children so much and they are still hurting inside so dont go and point fingers at anyone. "

Mervyn Trillman wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:46 PM:

" This is whack. Let it go, all of us still feel it and the cops are only making it worse. Everything has passed, so let us all try to move on after losing our friends and loved ones. "

shutupbadparents wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:35 PM:

" ya whoever wrote the bad parents expert can get a life. you have no idea what the situation was, because neither does anyone else. We will never know what happened on that night because we weren't there. This is by far no ones fault and the sierra vist police need to drop it. You or the sierra vista police have no idea what these family and friends are going through, so shut your mouths. "

ALEXIS COULSTON wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:30 PM:

" excuse me. didnt know everyone had to know our buisness, I love how you think you got all the facts down staright. Heres some news Sv Herald doesnt know what they are talking about. Tommorrow your headline should be FAMILY AND FRIENDS DISTURBED BY HOW RUDE SV CAN Be, got any simpathy for the girl who lost her boyfriend and best friend? Cops just love pointing fingers at people to make themselves look good. Its no ones fault. What happened happened. Leave the hurting ones alone. "

friend of keane and james wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:20 PM:

" i dont think the person on the bottom has a right to be talking like they are they dont know the parents and they didnt know their kids were drunk and were going to crash going 100 yds. down the road. so really your the unbelievable one! "

concerned FRIEND! wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:16 PM:

" We have already established what went down. We need to all move on. When things are getting better, you have to keep bringing it up in the paper. You people do not understand how dificult this has been on me, and my friends. Give this story a rest. You are making matters worse. We don't want to lose anymore friends or family members. You by bringing it up, is becoming very depressing and upsetting people more. So please stop this nonsense. "

lllaa wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:16 PM:

" i'm pretty sure this is all done and over with. everyone is trying to cope with all of this and the herald bringing it up all the time isnt going to help. we all miss the dearly, so let them rest in peace and stop talking about it. "

cm wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:12 PM:

" to the "bad parent" lol you a jerk and all those kids parents are amazing...they care and love there kids and are hurting really bad...so just stop being so mean "

James wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:06 PM:

" Anyone who bashes them has no idea what us friends and family have been through with this. You can blame whoever you want but its not going to help anything. This needs to be let go and the police need to leave it alone none of the parents are trying to get anyone in trouble. Now leave it alone and stop giving them a bad name ALL KIDS DRINK you did it and now we do. This was all tragic and it happened almost two months ago it needs to be dropped let them go in peace. PLEASE "

Compton3 wrote on Oct 16, 2007 9:01 PM:

" Lets just move on from this, your making teens suffer from their friends deaths even more by writing articles... "

keanes sister wrote on Oct 16, 2007 8:46 PM:

" please just stop already with keeping this story going it is bad enough i have to go every day doing things i used to do with my brother without him.....but i have to hear mean things said about him and my parents. we are hurting enough y family tiffs and james...leave us alone! drinking happens everwhere and we are feeling bad about it trust me! just stop bringing this up! "

another AZ Mom wrote on Oct 16, 2007 7:06 PM:

" I absolutely agree. We should give this story a rest. I cringed when I saw what the story was about. Herald- not every story needs reporting. I think the article is in bad taste. "

Right wrote on Oct 16, 2007 6:57 PM:

" So teenagers drink, that is news? "

LET IT GO wrote on Oct 16, 2007 6:56 PM:

" I think we should let it go too. But I disagree with one of the comments below me. Stop blaming these kids parents it's not their fault. it is so easy these days to simply tell a parent your going somewhere your not. Of course their going to believe their children are doing the right thing. Because that's what they expect from them. If their wasn't so much to be stressed over in Sierra Vista maybe they wouldn't have to use Alcohol the same way adults smoke ciggerates to get rid of stress. "

concerned parent1122 wrote on Oct 16, 2007 6:00 PM:

" I think we all pretty much new this already, but this small town feels the need for some reason to keep this story going. Let the families move on and get past this. I think all of us with teenage children have already had the talk with out kids about right and wrong. At least I hope everyone has. Give this story a rest. No one wants to talk about the ADULT that plowed his car into the telephone pole in BST... so lets give the same respect to the kids and families . "

Bad parents wrote on Oct 16, 2007 5:28 PM:

" This just goes from bad to worse. Not only did the parents let them go out after curfew without the proper gear, but they let them do it drunk. Unbelievable. "