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Opposing border groups apply different tactics

By Ted Morris
Herald/Review
Published/Last Modified on Friday, Aug 31, 2007 - 05:21:54 am MST

TUCSON — Two ideologically opposite groups planned news conferences Thursday in downtown Tucson to get out their messages about border politics.

In the morning, one of those groups, the human rights defender Border Action Network launched a new campaign to document abuses and violations of civil rights in border communities.

“The U.S. Constitution applies to everyone ... regardless of legal status,” said Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network.

Another group — the nonprofit anti-illegal-immigration organization known as American Border Patrol — postponed its afternoon news conference, in which it had planned to release the results of an aerial survey of the U.S.-Mexico border. The results will be released later.



The delay was due to an injury suffered by the organization’s representative, Glenn Spencer, according to a woman who answered the telephone Thursday afternoon at the American Border Patrol’s office in the Hereford-Palominas area.

American Border Patrol is  a  nonprofit  organization  that should not be confused with the U.S. Border Patrol, whose white and green-striped vehicles are a common sight in Cochise County.

Border Action Network claims law enforcement by federal and local units has been heavy-handed. Therefore, it is conducting a three-month, statewide campaign with 100 volunteers visiting “immigrant and border communities” to train people in those places how to document civil rights violations.

The U.S. Border Patrol maintains that it adheres to ethical policies. Likewise, accusations such as “racial profiling” have been denied by police agencies such as Bisbee, which, being close to border-straddling Naco, assists the U.S. Border Patrol with dozens of apprehensions of illegal immigrants every week. Many area residents approve of this. Others do not.

Participants of the BAN conference mentioned two stories of cruel-police incidents that happened in places other than Cochise County. In one, in December 2005, a family of mixed legal status called local police to complain that all their outdoor Christmas decorations had been stolen. They say the officer ignored the complaint  and  instead  used  a  10-year-old girl from the family as his translator to inform the family that they had 10 days to produce legal documentation or they would be removed.

In another example, a man  had  a  flat  tire  on  the  highway and called police to help him. The call led to the man’s arrest and deportation. Thus, says Allen, the “immigrant community” is becoming less inclined to trust local law enforcement to perform traditional protect-and-serve duties.

Most cities and towns in Cochise  County  are  on  BAN’s training calendar.

A total of 15 people attended BAN’s news conference, held  at  a  place  called  “Centro Digna” at 842 Sixth Ave. English and Spanish were used as there were Anglo and Latin participants and journalists, including Channel 33 from Phoenix, present at the event.

Border Action Network plans to go door to door with educational material and clipboards containing forms that will help volunteers document allegations of abuse and human rights violations.

American Border Patrol apparently plans to continue its mission, which includes flying UAV surveillance   missions along the border, and using such tools as Google Earth and high-resolution videography, to report illegal border crossings to the public.

herald/review City Editor Ted Morris can be reached at 515-4614 or by e-mail at cityeditor@svherald.com.



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    bob t wrote on Sep 25, 2007 11:31 AM:

    " Jennifer Allen is wrong. The US Constitution states "We the people of the United States" (not mexico) AMENDMENT XIV Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868. Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States "

    BAN wrote on Sep 10, 2007 2:32 AM:

    " BANs Leader should be indicited on RICO charges. Many of the people she aids are in this country to commit felonies and her actions support their crimes. "

    Brenda wrote on Sep 8, 2007 1:04 PM:

    " It is a shame that these peple who are out helping people reak the law do not see that aspect of their activites. Yes, we do all have rights, and on the other side of that coin, we ALL have an obligation to obey the law...including immigration laws...if you are here illegally, you ARE a criminal. If you aid and abat them, you ARE an accessory. We have the absolute easiest immigration policies in the world...either we are nation of laws or we are not...you ARE either part of the problem or part of the solution. "

    color is green wrote on Sep 8, 2007 8:11 AM:

    " Not about race$The color here is green$The land they trash,cost of trials,detainment and transporting them back home$$$Free medical$$The taxes they do not pay. How about the fact that IMS lawyers$$$Who are paid big bucks,only have about 8percent of their assigned case load show up for Amnesty and other court trials.$$$What a job$$$ IMS only have to work 8 cases out of 100$$$ Why becuse the rest are a no show$$ Build a few tent cities and hold the Illegals until their appointed court date$$$ Start a 100%detainment until trial program. "

    Connie wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:34 AM:

    " Arizona should turn over all its bills from illegal immigrants over to Border Action Network (BAN). Let's see how long BAN could survive on the measly donations it gets from churches. It wouldn't take long for BAN to cry out for help in assisting its many patrons. "

    Brent wrote on Sep 6, 2007 1:37 PM:

    " Additionally, US citizens,in Mexico,are afforded the same protection by the Mexican Constitution. Educate Yourselves " This has got to be the funniest and most ignorant statement in a long time. Please go spend time in Mexico,ILLEGALLY and see how you are truly treated. Get a clue "lawyer". "

    Real legal citizen of the US wrote on Sep 5, 2007 9:49 PM:

    " "We the people of the United States" are the ones who have the rights under the Constitution. People of the United States are those who have entered here LEGALLY, or born on American soil. Those who cross our borders illegally do not have a right to that protection. Illegal aliens are criminals in that they have broken the law in crossing our borders illegally. Jon, What?, and KS are right. "

    KS wrote on Sep 4, 2007 10:43 AM:

    " Police request to see ID and proof of insurance from all drivers, flat tire,missing tail light etc. Drive without insurance as an American and your looking at huge fines and possible jail time.Why do Illegals get special treatment. They litter our National forest and when being tracked, set fires to burn back trails. Illegals get off easy with a free trip home to see family, only to return in a few weeks. Americans get the harsher punishment as our insurance bills go up with every report filed.Illegals appear to have more rights plus free medical,no taxes. WHEREdoIsignUPtoBecomeUDA. "

    What? wrote on Sep 4, 2007 8:27 AM:

    " Bobby, I believe "Lawyer" was clearing up one aspect of this "debate". Many previous comments stated the idea of illegals being covered under the constitution was incorrect. In actuality, according to "Lawyer", they are covered. Take a deep breath before you get your feathers all ruffled! "

    Jon wrote on Sep 3, 2007 8:22 PM:

    " Our Constition guarentees American citizens rights only. People become citizens after they are processed thru legal entry into our country. this process must never be changed. "

    Martin wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:30 AM:

    " Actually, you're all wrong; every one of you. How sad; all these "Americans" in the room and not one of you knows fourth-grade U.S. history lessons? The Supreme Court decided a while ago that everybody in this country, regardless of how they arrived, is eligible for protections under the Fifth and 14th Amendments. And, as long as you're protected under the Fifth Amendment, you're protected under most of the Constitution. So yes, these people do have rights. Instead of raging against some border group, learn your constitution. "

    Raymond wrote on Sep 2, 2007 7:00 AM:

    " I say to other readers that Illegals have no right and no business being here. They are destroying America as we know it. It's bad enough that there are translators everywhere and immigrant advocates to show them to the welfare offices. I fully support the work of American Border Patrol and other anti immigration groups minus the killing or torture. Other than that I say we vote out the politicians that will not kick them out and boycott businesses that hire them and not US citizens. Go home illegals you're not wanted here. "

    Bobby wrote on Sep 1, 2007 1:07 PM:

    " Lawyer, the point in this whole debate on illegal immigration is not really who the Constitution applies to. I will agree with you on the Constitution and foreigners in this nation illegally. The POINT is that corrupt judges and immigration attornies have been using the law to delay, confuse, postphone, and otherwise do every single thing that their lawless mindset can think of, to allow illegal immigrants to stay and work here. This is totally against Title 8, of U.S. Immigration Code, so, in essence, these judges and lawyers who use the law in a dishonest way, are criminals.Title 8! "

    Bobby wrote on Sep 1, 2007 11:39 AM:

    " Please, I don't mince words when it comes to people like Jennifer Allen--her ilk are traitors to this nation and indeed to the very idea of a nation. "

    Lawyer wrote on Sep 1, 2007 8:52 AM:

    " For those that believe Ms. Allen is incorrect when she states that the Constitution applies to everyone-Please ask a lawyer In criminal law, at least, this is true. Due process of law is provided to all defendants regardless of status. If you cannot afford counsel one is provided to you and your 4th, 5th and 6th, 8th amendment rights are ensured. A criminal justice system that ensures due process for any person brought before it is a historic cornerstone of our democracy. Additionally, US citizens,in Mexico,are afforded the same protection by the Mexican Constitution. Educate Yourselves "

    Dawes wrote on Sep 1, 2007 8:45 AM:

    " These illegal aliens are an invasion of our constitutional and natural rights. These illegals come here and take our tax money, and people's lives. The Declaration states that the gov't exists to protect our life, libery, and property, and the Feds and illegals are taking it from us. "

    tree wrote on Sep 1, 2007 6:27 AM:

    " Actually the constitution does apply to all persons under the jurisdiction of the United States. However, not all rights enumerated for citizens apply to all persons who are not citizens residing within the United States or under the jurisdiction of the United States. "

    jc500 wrote on Sep 1, 2007 5:34 AM:

    " Sorry JohnCicc, Carl Clark, American Hispanic, et. al., but US federal and and state laws apply to the sovereign territory of the US and individual states, not to particular people or groups of people within those territories. Take a look at the Bill of Rights and you'll see that it gaurantees rights to "people" and "persons," not to "citizens." If you like the idea of a government that denies rights to particular groups of people, I'd suggest you read up on Nazi Germany, the Taliban or the current leadership in Sudan. "

    langer wrote on Aug 31, 2007 10:21 PM:

    " They darn sure better not be coming to my door or anywhere else on my property. Ban BAN!!! "

    CJ wrote on Aug 31, 2007 10:02 PM:

    " I support American Border Patrol and appreciate what they are trying to do in upholding the Federal Laws of our country and helping to protect US legal citizens who are being killed at the rate of 25 per day by illegal aliens. Illegal aliens kill over 9,000 US American citizens per year which is more than Iraq, 9/11 and the Vietnam war when looked at by yearly numbers. "

    E'noch Les Dantous wrote on Aug 31, 2007 9:16 PM:

    " The creators of this problem goes to the top of the government. If proper funding went to the US Boarder Patrol and INS, 1. less people coming illegally. 2. Faster processing for immigrants who wish to come legally. But were too busy find oil to care. "

    Josh wrote on Aug 31, 2007 7:17 PM:

    " If they don't like being deported when they call the police for help, maybe they should go back to whereve they came from and come here LEGALLY. "

    Aaron wrote on Aug 31, 2007 7:08 PM:

    " The U.S. Constitution is for American citizens ONLY....... That's what makes us AMERICANS.. "

    Larry Brown wrote on Aug 31, 2007 5:51 PM:

    " Because illegal aliens have lost their fear of United States law enforcement, they are now willing to march up and down the streets of our cities demanding their "rights". It is time to turn the screws on foreigners who are breaking our immigration, labor, and tax laws. It is time to restore law and order before it is too late. A big percentage of illegals will self deport if our government vigorously enforces the law. The rest can be identified and removed over time under a policy of "attrition through enforcement". "

    ICEman cometh wrote on Aug 31, 2007 5:11 PM:

    " I get a flat tire and the CA highway patrol comes up behind me - spotlights on and proceeds to ask me for my I.D., asks me pertinent questions me while leaning inside the window. If I was drinking, I'd be busted. If I had a warrant, I'd be busted. If I had a suspended license (or none), I'd be busted. The point is that law enforcement needs to enforce the law and taking advantage of a flat tire situation is a way to catch any scofflaws - illegal or legal. It's just their crappy luck! "

    JohnCicc wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:44 PM:

    " “The U.S. Constitution applies to everyone ... regardless of legal status,” said Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network. Which Amendment and Article states this crazy notion, Jennifer? "

    John wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:43 PM:

    " It is amazing to see that some agencies are isolating the people that do not have legal papers more and more. One day these non-legal immigrants will distrust the police so much that real crime won't be reported. That will be a sad day for human rights and for this hard working people. They are not criminals, but real criminals will get away with real crime because of these policies that do not protect the people that need it. "

    Carl Clark wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:28 PM:

    " Can Jennifer Allen show me just where in the U.S. constitution does it say that illegal aliens have any kind of rights?They are not citizens AND are not covered under the U.S CONSTITUTION. The only RIGHT that I see for the illegal aliens is the Right to LEAVE my country. "

    hereford wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:15 PM:

    " WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SPOUT, “The U.S. Constitution applies to everyone ... regardless of legal status,” said Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network.SINCE WHEN DOES SOMEONE WHO COMES TO THIS COUNTRY THROUGH THE BACK DOOR HAVE RIGHTS.OUR FOREFATHERS FOUGHT FOR THESE RIGHTS, NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO. WHAT ABOUT U.S. CITIZENS RIGHTS "

    American Hispanic wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:02 PM:

    " “The U.S. Constitution applies to everyone ... regardless of legal status,” said Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network. The U.S. Constitution applies only to US citizens. More lies from the people fostering white guilt. "

    roger wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:00 PM:

    " I dont understand why all these bleeding heart liberals dont use all this energy to complain to mexico and its corrupt politicians and try and get them to take responsibility for its castoffs.Is that too much like rocket science for them? I am now,always was and always will be against illegals in this country.Its against the LAW !!! "

    Ben wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:00 PM:

    " Jennifer Allen's statement that the "U.S constitution applies to everyone regardless of legal status" is a flat out lie. If you break into the U.S. illegally you dont have, or deserve, the same rights as legal american citizens. This bottom line is, this group supports criminal activity. American Border Patrol is the polar opposite of the Ban goup, and I support their efforts wholeheartedly. It is however a shame that American Border Patrol, has to help do the job, our own federal government isn't doing. "

    levotb wrote on Aug 31, 2007 3:59 PM:

    " Mr. Morris seems to equate pro-illegal alien pressure groups (that aid and abet illegal behavior) with patriotic anti-illegal alien groups like American Border Patrol. There is NO moral equivalence to these groups. The pro-illegal alien group is made up of Communists and leftists and seeks to win approval from the U.S public for rewarding illegal behavior. A nation is not a nation without laws. Laws, contrary to leftist dogma, are meant to be enforced--not broken! "

    HEY BAN wrote on Aug 31, 2007 11:19 AM:

    " How will you enforce my rights when an illegal trespasses on my yard? You guys need to get real! If you really cared you would support everyone's rights and not just the illegals. You are a hypocrit organization and the ACLU should investigate you. Better yet why don't you pick on Mexico for allowing their people to violate our soverign land? Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras have created the tragedy not the border patrol who is only doing their job. How about we document how BAN trespasses on my property and violates my rights? "

    www.desertvisions.us wrote on Aug 31, 2007 10:31 AM:

    " Again and Still, Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network, spews-off –at the mouth for illegal aliens, What other illegal actions does she condone? What is her motive for her actions? Is “executive director of Border Action Network” a paying job? There is 25 million lbs of illegal alien trash in the Arizona desert, perhaps Jennifer could clean it up and go from there. "

    SV Resident wrote on Aug 31, 2007 8:50 AM:

    " How can they honestly believe that individuals who are in our country ILLEGALLY have any constitutional rights? I don't care how, where, or when they get arrested. Send them all back to wherever they came from and keep them out. They can try the legal way. "

    Here's a novel idea.... wrote on Aug 31, 2007 6:30 AM:

    " Jennifer Allen, how about these people go back to the country they are legally from--and this won't be an issue? How is this an invasion of their rights? They don't have the "right" to be here. If I call the police because I am assaulted and I get arrested on an outstanding warrant, that is NOT a violation of my rights. That happens daily in this country. What about all the "rights" of criminals in this country, they are in the same boat aren't they? I mean should we leave them be? Exactly. "

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